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Utica, NY

#1 Mar 20, 2014
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.

Great job Utica Common Council !

When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
Stanley Theater Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#3 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.
Great job Utica Common Council !
When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
That sounds about right.
NoBull

Clinton, NY

#4 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.
Great job Utica Common Council !
When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
You got one guy who can read a budget but he is unwilling to oppose the mayor with anything meaningful because he might not be able to get another façade grant at 1206 Garden Road.
haha

Chittenango, NY

#5 Mar 20, 2014
Our common council is almost worthless. Marion hasn't a clue. They jokers have screwed the tax payers so bad there is no way to get out but to raise our taxes. Recall them.
We need a organized tax revolt to not pay any more then our governor has capped 2.5. If we go over that we loose state aid and also the tax payers loose tax breaks. Marion is a dem. so is the mayor why are they opposing he governor that they supported. It's all about their personal political future and the tax payers are collateral damage. People will keep leaving the area and all that will be left is refugees , old people and poor people that can not leave.
Truth

Utica, NY

#6 Mar 20, 2014
After the mayor proposed his budget they held public meetings. I advocated for people getting to those meetings and expressing their opinions. Some people did that. Their reward? The mayor talked down to them like they were children and almost scolded them for having an opinion contrary to his. Now they are further rewarded with a nearly 9% tax increase.
old man

Whitesboro, NY

#7 Mar 20, 2014
How nice the mayor and those on the council got a raise to help cover the increase in taxes. That is those that pay city taxes that sit on the council because I believe not all of them own city properties.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#8 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.
Great job Utica Common Council !
When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
Um, if they voted unanimously to reject the budget then it was not adopted, it was voted down.

See, that's how those things work and the reason why they vote on things.
WRONG

Utica, NY

#9 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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Um, if they voted unanimously to reject the budget then it was not adopted, it was voted down.
See, that's how those things work and the reason why they vote on things.
You are clueless. Voting down the budget was apparently meaningless and all for show. Since they did not offer any amendments, the mayor's budget stands as is. Nice going CC, you gutless wonders!!!
Stanley Theater Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#10 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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Um, if they voted unanimously to reject the budget then it was not adopted, it was voted down.
See, that's how those things work and the reason why they vote on things.
How ignorant are you really?

http://www.uticaod.com/article/20140319/NEWS/...
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#11 Mar 20, 2014
Stanley Theater Riggies wrote:
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How ignorant are you really?
http://www.uticaod.com/article/20140319/NEWS/...
Not as ignorant as you, clearly. The budget was not "adopted" because it would require majority vote to be "adopted". My previous comment stands as correct.

Since the CC offered no amendments, their inaction vetoes their no votes and by legal default the budget stands as is. It was not adopted.

Learn the difference, tool.
Utica Casino Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#12 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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Not as ignorant as you, clearly. The budget was not "adopted" because it would require majority vote to be "adopted". My previous comment stands as correct.
Since the CC offered no amendments, their inaction vetoes their no votes and by legal default the budget stands as is. It was not adopted.
Learn the difference, tool.
Sorry "tool". The budget was adopted...it might have been passively adopted but it was adopted. Everyone sees exactly what is happening so save your semantics for someone else.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#13 Mar 20, 2014
Utica Casino Riggies wrote:
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Sorry "tool". The budget was adopted...it might have been passively adopted but it was adopted. Everyone sees exactly what is happening so save your semantics for someone else.
Yet, nowhere in the article does it state "adopted".

Its not a semantics game but an actual legal definition.

Previous comment stands as correct. It was not adopted.

I see the illiteracy rate locally has not improved....
Utica Casino Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#14 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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Yet, nowhere in the article does it state "adopted".
Its not a semantics game but an actual legal definition.
Previous comment stands as correct. It was not adopted.
I see the illiteracy rate locally has not improved....
Sorry. I don't live in utica. Guess again. And the facts remain it was "adopted". You can play the definition game all you want. Every one of those council members knew exactly what was going on.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#15 Mar 20, 2014
Utica Casino Riggies wrote:
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Sorry. I don't live in utica. Guess again. And the facts remain it was "adopted". You can play the definition game all you want. Every one of those council members knew exactly what was going on.
It was not adopted and you can read the City Charter to figure why you are wrong. It was a default veto since the CC did nothing to put forth their own. If they had put forth even ONE amendment, they would have had four days to reconsider this with the mayor.

Not adopted, as that is not the correct legal term.
Utica Casino Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#16 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
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It was not adopted and you can read the City Charter to figure why you are wrong. It was a default veto since the CC did nothing to put forth their own. If they had put forth even ONE amendment, they would have had four days to reconsider this with the mayor.
Not adopted, as that is not the correct legal term.
Again. Semantics. It's no different than an abstention. Everyone knows exactly what's going on. It's called "covering your own a ss". If any of those CC members really wanted to oppose it there would have been at least one amendment proposed but they didn't even have the balls to step out on that ledge.

"But the budget initially proposed by Mayor Robert Palmieri will stand because council members did not offer up any of the budget amendments previously discussed that may have addressed an 8.73 percent tax increase.
“Not one amendment presented had the be-all end-all solution,” Councilwoman Samantha Colosimo-Testa, R-6, said before the vote was taken".
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#17 Mar 20, 2014
Again, not semantics but a legal distinction, and it matters.
Pizza Riggies

Utica, NY

#18 Mar 20, 2014
Slice it anyway you like, THE UTICA BUDGET WAS ADOPTED. No point in this infantile word game. Once again, Utica taxpayers have no representation and are royally screwed. Time to move on.
ur a turdcutter

Utica, NY

#19 Mar 20, 2014
Pizza Riggies wrote:
Slice it anyway you like, THE UTICA BUDGET WAS ADOPTED. No point in this infantile word game. Once again, Utica taxpayers have no representation and are royally screwed. Time to move on.
It is "sliced" the only it can be. It was not adopted in the legal sense. Other than that, yes, the taxpayers got screwed yet again.
ABC

Peekskill, NY

#20 Mar 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
Last night the Utica Common Council voted unanimously to reject the mayor's proposed budget and nearly 9% tax increase. The net effect of that vote? The mayor's budget was adopted as is.
Great job Utica Common Council !
When the city finances continue their trip down the toilet you can tell your constituents that you voted against the budget. It won't help but you will have effectively covered your butt with that vote.
Exactly.
Utica Casino Riggies

Clifton Park, NY

#21 Mar 20, 2014
ur a turdcutter wrote:
Again, not semantics but a legal distinction, and it matters.
It truly doesn't matter because there's no legal ramifications. It's all semantics. By voting it down but somehow not offering an alternative they basically approved it. I hope all uticans remember this.

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