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forgetaboutit

Whitesboro, NY

#1 Feb 8, 2013
I'm in line at the grocery store yesterday and there is a young man in front of me about 25 or 26. He has on a nice leather jacket on has a $200 set of earphones around his neck and is talking on a cell phone. He checks out over a $100 of groceries,pays with a food stamp card and even asks for cash back. Now I'm all for helping out the underprivileged but this has really gotten out of hand. Where are the people we pay to regulate this system,should they not be monitoring these people to see if they can be helping them to find ways they can get off this system? Can they not try and find someone like this young man work? And don't say he couldn't work becuse he was in no way unable to do some kind of work. Okay lets hear all the ranting and raving about how I should't be judging someone without knowing all the details,all I'm saying is where does he need food stamps if he can afford all of this other stuff.
LOOK

Utica, NY

#2 Feb 8, 2013
No arguement here. This is what has been created by government. The war on poverty will never be won because the pwoers that be keep moving the line. Poverty used to be when someone didn't know where they were going to sleep or what they are going to eat. Now poverty is when the governmnet supplied cell phone runs out of minutes. The fact that legislation has been proposed (by Anthony Brindisi) that limits the use of welfare debit cards in casinos and porn outlets says a lot about the state of the system.

When you add up the value of all that welfare pays for you have to ask why anyone would work for minimum wage or even more. Apartment/home paid. Utilities paid. Cell phone paid. Food paid. Education paid. Healthcare paid. Taxes NOT paid. How much is all of that worth?

In the illegal immigration debate we've all heard that many of the illegals are doing the jobs Americans won't do. My opinion is that as long as there are jobs Americans won't do then there shouldn't be welfare for those Americans able bodied enough to do those jobs. There should be no such thing as jobs Americans won't do.
cindy

Utica, NY

#3 Feb 8, 2013
Shouldn't assume its his card, I shop for my mother with her card, due to the fact she cannot get to the store.
I'm sure you would be saying the same things about me not knowing any better.

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Since: Dec 12

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#4 Feb 8, 2013
Food Stamps need to be regulated in the same manner that WIC is regulated. Recipients should only be allowed to purchase approved items. The computer systems in supermarkets can be programmed to prevent purchase of disallowed items on the SNAP cards. Cash should never be given back. If so, it counts as income and it needs to be taxed. The reason so many folks get food stamps in the first place is due to poor organization of the system. Offices are overwhelmed with applicants and the program does not provide for investigative staff to determine if services are actually needed. Applicants apply online and there is no way to document claims with paperwork. You long in, type some bogus numbers into a form and get your card in the mail. Income documentation is self-declared and staff has no obligation to research claimed income. Headphones, leather jackets, iphones and the like are not considered assets for the assessment. Food Stamps do not require money management in the application process. Many times they are automatic because an applicant already receives another type of benefit from social services. There is no use complaining on here. You need to complain to your elected officials. Unfortunately the people who work for a living are being out numbered by the people who vote for a living.

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Since: Dec 12

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#5 Feb 8, 2013
cindy wrote:
Shouldn't assume its his card, I shop for my mother with her card, due to the fact she cannot get to the store.
I'm sure you would be saying the same things about me not knowing any better.
It is fraud to use someone else's card.
DSS

Utica, NY

#6 Feb 8, 2013
I see dum people wrote:
Food Stamps need to be regulated in the same manner that WIC is regulated. Recipients should only be allowed to purchase approved items. The computer systems in supermarkets can be programmed to prevent purchase of disallowed items on the SNAP cards. Cash should never be given back. If so, it counts as income and it needs to be taxed. The reason so many folks get food stamps in the first place is due to poor organization of the system. Offices are overwhelmed with applicants and the program does not provide for investigative staff to determine if services are actually needed. Applicants apply online and there is no way to document claims with paperwork. You long in, type some bogus numbers into a form and get your card in the mail. Income documentation is self-declared and staff has no obligation to research claimed income. Headphones, leather jackets, iphones and the like are not considered assets for the assessment. Food Stamps do not require money management in the application process. Many times they are automatic because an applicant already receives another type of benefit from social services. There is no use complaining on here. You need to complain to your elected officials. Unfortunately the people who work for a living are being out numbered by the people who vote for a living.
Just to clarify some errors in your post, SNAP is the food stamps program and if you get SNAP, you can only use it for authorized items and you can't get money back.

If you are receiving Temporary Assistance (cash and/or bills paid) and SNAP, then you can get cash back on your card because the put the cash award on the card. They don't send checks anymore.

True you can apply for benefits online but that is always followed up with a face-to-face meeting to document everything that DSS demands. When you apply online or in person, you get a temporary card which is, as it is named, temporary. You get the permanent card after you comply with the face-to-face meeting and provide the demanded documentation.
A taxpayer

Syracuse, NY

#7 Feb 8, 2013
There are two basic problems. First, as others have pointed out, the food stamp program has become much too liberally dispensed than it should be. It should only be an absolutely necessary, last resort. Cars, TVs, cell phones, etc., are not necessities in life. Second, the horrible Obama economy has and is producing an ever expanding dependency class. Throw in waste and fraud and you wind up with a disastrous program.
Jane Adams

Utica, NY

#8 Feb 8, 2013
A taxpayer wrote:
There are two basic problems. First, as others have pointed out, the food stamp program has become much too liberally dispensed than it should be. It should only be an absolutely necessary, last resort. Cars, TVs, cell phones, etc., are not necessities in life. Second, the horrible Obama economy has and is producing an ever expanding dependency class. Throw in waste and fraud and you wind up with a disastrous program.
Poverty is big business now and localities don't want to reign in the programs because they bring in massive amounts of state and federal money to the area. On top of this, the Democrats are using all of these give away, something for nothing programs to create widespread dependency and ensure their re-election.

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#9 Feb 8, 2013
DSS wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to clarify some errors in your post, SNAP is the food stamps program and if you get SNAP, you can only use it for authorized items and you can't get money back.
If you are receiving Temporary Assistance (cash and/or bills paid) and SNAP, then you can get cash back on your card because the put the cash award on the card. They don't send checks anymore.
True you can apply for benefits online but that is always followed up with a face-to-face meeting to document everything that DSS demands. When you apply online or in person, you get a temporary card which is, as it is named, temporary. You get the permanent card after you comply with the face-to-face meeting and provide the demanded documentation.
Thanks for the clarification. It has been awhile since I was familiar with how this all works. Seems that every place is different. Regardless of the process a person should not be able to purchase a frozen mac and cheese that feeds two people for $6. when she can buy the ingredients to make enough for 8 people at $3.
voteNO

Sutton, MA

#10 Feb 8, 2013
I see dum people wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the clarification. It has been awhile since I was familiar with how this all works. Seems that every place is different. Regardless of the process a person should not be able to purchase a frozen mac and cheese that feeds two people for $6. when she can buy the ingredients to make enough for 8 people at $3.
hhave you bought cheese lately? You better look at the price
voteNO

Sutton, MA

#11 Feb 8, 2013
If they are hungry and dont have food they will just take yours

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Since: Dec 12

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#12 Feb 8, 2013
voteNO wrote:
<quoted text>hhave you bought cheese lately? You better look at the price
You can uses the cheap, imitation store brand fake cheese whiz or velveeta. I didn't say you were going to win the Betty Crocker cook-off with it. I didn't realize the impoverished has such defined pallets.
Restore Common Sense

Utica, NY

#13 Feb 8, 2013
I see dum people wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the clarification. It has been awhile since I was familiar with how this all works. Seems that every place is different. Regardless of the process a person should not be able to purchase a frozen mac and cheese that feeds two people for $6. when she can buy the ingredients to make enough for 8 people at $3.
But where would you draw the line? Disallow Chips Ahoy because with flour and butter and toll house chips you can bake your own? No bagged salad because a head of lettuce and an onion would be cheaper? I have a bigger problem with allowing the purchase of things like candy, chewing gum, potato chips, soda etc. Maybe it should be more like the WIC program and allow only VERY basic essentials and in a very limited way. Right now it's another example of a well intended program gone terribly wrong. It was originally created to help subsidize farmers but thanks to special interest groups like big food processors etc it has gotten away from that. IMO it needs a total overhaul but the way Washington is run now, that's just not going to happen.
NY John

Rome, NY

#14 Feb 8, 2013
Most are lazy anyway
lalala

Albany, NY

#15 Feb 8, 2013
I totally agree with the first poster, it's upsetting to work so hard for very little and go grocery shopping to just get the bare minimum and see other people with nice clothes and fancy cars and cells phones and then have them whip out that ebt card and be able to get anything they want like bags and bags of chips and cuts of steak. Unfortunately I have too much pride to go on the system like most.
voteNO

Sutton, MA

#16 Feb 8, 2013
Get over it. Its ok to give tax money to the oil company or conmed or walmart but not the poor. You people are stupid. Find out where your rax dollars are spent. Dont worry about feeding the poor.
voteNO

Sutton, MA

#17 Feb 8, 2013
Maybe if there wasnt so much corporate greed we would have less people on food stamps

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Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#18 Feb 8, 2013
Restore Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text> But where would you draw the line? Disallow Chips Ahoy because with flour and butter and toll house chips you can bake your own? No bagged salad because a head of lettuce and an onion would be cheaper? I have a bigger problem with allowing the purchase of things like candy, chewing gum, potato chips, soda etc. Maybe it should be more like the WIC program and allow only VERY basic essentials and in a very limited way. Right now it's another example of a well intended program gone terribly wrong. It was originally created to help subsidize farmers but thanks to special interest groups like big food processors etc it has gotten away from that. IMO it needs a total overhaul but the way Washington is run now, that's just not going to happen.
To answer your first two questions yes and yes. F/S should be used as a nutritional subside. There is no intrinsic nutritional value in sweets or salad just because it came in a bag. Bagged salad is a relatively modern convenience anyway. My mother never fed us salad from a bag. There was no such thing. If the government, or we the people, are going to pay for the food then we should regulate what our money is going to so the most could be reaped from it.

Furthermore, there is plenty of food that goes to waste at the food banks/ pantries because there are not enough income qualified folks taking advantage of these services. They are virtual grocery stores that stock nutritional food items exclusively. Clients do not have to trade in f/s to take advantage of them either. They just show up, take a brief survey, and the volunteers actually push the cart around and do all the heavy lifting. Essentially, all an applicant/ client needs to do is show up and be able to count how many people live in the house.

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Since: Dec 12

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#19 Feb 8, 2013
voteNO wrote:
Get over it. Its ok to give tax money to the oil company or conmed or walmart but not the poor. You people are stupid. Find out where your rax dollars are spent. Dont worry about feeding the poor.
Most of our state dollars go to health and human services. Though this is a broad category it is predominantly social welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, and matching dollars towards federal grants. The reason those programs cost so much to run is the bureaucracy it takes to run them. By the time you pay the local workers, their supervisors, contracted accounting firms to act as monitors, state monitors on top of them and every other little expense that got attached to the bill that supports these programs you will see that a very small percentage is actually afforded to the beneficiaries. The whole program needs to be redone. The government should just give all of the money to faith-based and non-profit organizations to administer these services. They have be doing so successfully for years, usually just with volunteers and donated office space. It may bring a little humility to the table as well. Folks have no problem lying and cheating the government but when they have to apply to a little old lady, the neighborhood matriarch, or a pastor they may think twice about doing so.
Well Well Well

Utica, NY

#20 Feb 8, 2013
I see dum people wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of our state dollars go to health and human services. Though this is a broad category it is predominantly social welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, and matching dollars towards federal grants. The reason those programs cost so much to run is the bureaucracy it takes to run them. By the time you pay the local workers, their supervisors, contracted accounting firms to act as monitors, state monitors on top of them and every other little expense that got attached to the bill that supports these programs you will see that a very small percentage is actually afforded to the beneficiaries. The whole program needs to be redone. The government should just give all of the money to faith-based and non-profit organizations to administer these services. They have be doing so successfully for years, usually just with volunteers and donated office space. It may bring a little humility to the table as well. Folks have no problem lying and cheating the government but when they have to apply to a little old lady, the neighborhood matriarch, or a pastor they may think twice about doing so.
I totally agree with that. In fact, I've been saying that same thing for years.

We need to get rid of the government bureaucracy, greatly downsizing the number of employees (and their pension contributions & health care costs), and let the charities, churches and families help the poor.

The only reason government wants to do it is to justify government's existence and size.

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