utica school systems misses out on millions

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sam

Utica, NY

#1 Dec 18, 2013
Thanks to the union. Do some people still think unions are helping our kids
Anonymous

Utica, NY

#2 Dec 18, 2013
There has to be MUCH more to this story...
My Generation

Utica, NY

#3 Dec 18, 2013
There is. While the OD presented the story and blamed the teachers union, if they had presented the whole story they would have found that the grants were tied to a Cuomo initiative to bypass collective bargaining and establish a 3 tiered merit pay system that was based on the APPR evaluations, which were based partially on a flawed student test score basis. Even Utica admministrators will admit that the APPR scores for their teachers were not correct. To now base their pay on those scores doesn't make sense; in addition, to bypass the contract and establish pay rates for teachers w out union involvement is wrong. Losing the grant money is unfortunate, but letting the district/state implement a pay scale w/out bargaining in good faith is a slippery slope. Don't think for a minute that Karam and his cronies did not know for months that this would not be acceptable to their teachers. They had ample opportunity to alter the proposal; they chose to proceed w/out the teachers' input. The blame lies with the district, not the union.
Cuomo is right

Utica, NY

#4 Dec 18, 2013
What will they do when that NYSUT union goes down for fraud? It is going down, it is being investigated although they have money to keep those allegations secret, it will be exposed. Teacher's pensions will be lost especially those with 401K and then they can be hired and fired at will.

Laugh if you want, but NYSUT is going down that union will not be around to stop this and all will be held at will. I do not like Cuomo but his agenda is right and it is time to hold them all accountable, time to force and 8 hour work day, a 50 week work year and no more snow days, they MUST report to work snow days only for the kids.

Cuomo will be gone, he will be out of office before he sees the next election and the new governor will enact legislation and those teacher's will all crap their pants!
Both Ways

Utica, NY

#5 Dec 18, 2013
So we have a grant to hire teachers to teach teachers but no money to help my son is in a class of 28 students.

This blame game crap needs to stop and you all need to work together to put together a proposal and let the public have the final say.

Our tax dollars and our kids. We should have the right to decide how the money is spent.
Anonymous

Utica, NY

#6 Dec 18, 2013
My Generation wrote:
There is. While the OD presented the story and blamed the teachers union, if they had presented the whole story they would have found that the grants were tied to a Cuomo initiative to bypass collective bargaining and establish a 3 tiered merit pay system that was based on the APPR evaluations, which were based partially on a flawed student test score basis. Even Utica admministrators will admit that the APPR scores for their teachers were not correct. To now base their pay on those scores doesn't make sense; in addition, to bypass the contract and establish pay rates for teachers w out union involvement is wrong. Losing the grant money is unfortunate, but letting the district/state implement a pay scale w/out bargaining in good faith is a slippery slope. Don't think for a minute that Karam and his cronies did not know for months that this would not be acceptable to their teachers. They had ample opportunity to alter the proposal; they chose to proceed w/out the teachers' input. The blame lies with the district, not the union.
Unbelievable!
Accountability for all

Utica, NY

#7 Dec 18, 2013
The time has come to force employment tax to pay for schools and to put an end to school property taxes. Then force accountability on success onto the kids, via testing. A perfect example would be those NYC high school exams for placement as we are going, the kids don't want to do anything.

As for those teachers and administrators. time to force them to work force those administrators back into the classrooms on a daily basis, there is no excuse they do not teach a class in their field. They were originally educator's, the must remain educators.

As for the parents, they should have the option to take their dollars out of the public schools and use those funds for private education for their kids. Right now, public schools have a blank check for kickbacks, they don't give a damn about education or the kids. Take a look at Utica and there is the proof. There is no excuse for Subjects of the Lords like Elefante, Percia, Karam not to be in the classroom on a daily basis. They is no accountability.

Time to end all those lucrative expense accounts, they're not needed. We need to take a good look at Finland, South Korea, Singapore etc:

" There are no magic bullets: The small number of correlations found in the study shows the poverty of simplistic solutions. Throwing money at education by itself rarely produces results, and individual changes to education systems, however sensible, rarely do much on their own. Education requires long-term, coherent and focused system-wide attention to achieve improvement.
Respect teachers: Good teachers are essential to high-quality education. Finding and retaining them is not necessarily a question of high pay. Instead, teachers need to be treated as the valuable professionals they are, not as technicians in a huge, educational machine.
Culture can be changed: The cultural assumptions and values surrounding an education system do more to support or undermine it than the system can do on its own. Using the positive elements of this culture and, where necessary, seeking to change the negative ones, are important to promoting successful outcomes.
Parents are neither impediments to nor saviors of education: Parents want their children to have a good education; pressure from them for change should not be seen as a sign of hostility but as an indication of something possibly amiss in provision. On the other hand, parental input and choice do not constitute a panacea. Education systems should strive to keep parents informed and work with them.
Educate for the future, not just the present: Many of today's job titles, and the skills needed to fill them, simply did not exist 20 years ago. Education systems need to consider what skills today's students will need in future and teach accordingly"

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Zero

Syracuse, NY

#8 Dec 18, 2013
Geedy unions are destroying america wake the fck up................
code

Utica, NY

#9 Dec 18, 2013
Grant money???? Where the fu$k do you think that comes from??? They are just giving u your own tax money back. Last time I checked teachers pay taxes too. Why hire teachers w grant money that will run out after 2 yrs and then who pays??
Wake up.... UCSD is underfunded as are most city school districts around the state. Fix that first
sam

Syracuse, NY

#10 Dec 19, 2013
Greedy unions what is in it for me not the students.
scott

Whitesboro, NY

#11 Dec 19, 2013
code wrote:
Grant money???? Where the fu$k do you think that comes from??? They are just giving u your own tax money back. Last time I checked teachers pay taxes too. Why hire teachers w grant money that will run out after 2 yrs and then who pays??
Wake up.... UCSD is underfunded as are most city school districts around the state. Fix that first
You got it right and btw where is all that lottery money going to schools right bull in some politicians pocket
Truth

Utica, NY

#12 Dec 19, 2013
code wrote:
Grant money???? Where the fu$k do you think that comes from??? They are just giving u your own tax money back. Last time I checked teachers pay taxes too. Why hire teachers w grant money that will run out after 2 yrs and then who pays??
Wake up.... UCSD is underfunded as are most city school districts around the state. Fix that first
Aren't there both public and private grants for education? Doesn't the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for instance give targeted grants for education?

I agree that the public school monopoly on taxpayer dollars and the power the teacher and administrator unions have has to end if we are going to see real improvement but misrepresenting the truth doesn't help.

You are parroting what the unions want you to believe when you say the UCSD is underfunded. Do a little research and compare what Utica spends per student, New York State spends per student, what other states spend per student and then compare graduation rates and test scores. The only conclusion you can come to when you do that is that money is not the cure. The money isn't going to the classrooms. It's going for things like this:
http://www.uticaod.com/x231950137/New-Utica-t...
and that's at the core of the real problem.
Anonymous

Plantsville, CT

#13 Dec 19, 2013
Let the teacher bashing begin....
Not right

Syracuse, NY

#14 Dec 19, 2013
This grant is a Band-Aid and the school district needs a tourniquet. Still, if a tourniquet is not available and someone offers you a Band-Aid, you take the Band-Aid!
Truth

Utica, NY

#15 Dec 19, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
Let the teacher bashing begin....
Not teacher, teacher union.
Educated Parent

Utica, NY

#16 Dec 19, 2013
My Generation wrote:
There is. While the OD presented the story and blamed the teachers union, if they had presented the whole story they would have found that the grants were tied to a Cuomo initiative to bypass collective bargaining and establish a 3 tiered merit pay system that was based on the APPR evaluations, which were based partially on a flawed student test score basis. Even Utica admministrators will admit that the APPR scores for their teachers were not correct. To now base their pay on those scores doesn't make sense; in addition, to bypass the contract and establish pay rates for teachers w out union involvement is wrong. Losing the grant money is unfortunate, but letting the district/state implement a pay scale w/out bargaining in good faith is a slippery slope. Don't think for a minute that Karam and his cronies did not know for months that this would not be acceptable to their teachers. They had ample opportunity to alter the proposal; they chose to proceed w/out the teachers' input. The blame lies with the district, not the union.
First, let's put the blame where it belongs. The teachers did not reject this grant. The head of the union rejected it without consulting ANY of the union members. The head of the union is power hungry and thinks she knows best what is good for the teachers. The first part of this grant was accepted by the former union president and it saved teachers jobs. The current president is more interested in proving that she is a strong union leader than keeping teachers working. She stated that she did not want new teachers hired that would be out of work in three years at the end of the grant. I'm guessing the these teachers would rather have a job for three years than not work at all.

The current union president is more interested in herself and looking good to the state union leaders than she is with the local teachers and the students. By rejecting this grant she has put a huge wedge between the union and the district. The school board already has one recently elected member that has a grudge against the union for not supporting him. Now they have pissed off the rest of the board. That doesn't bode well for the union.
Trust

Utica, NY

#17 Dec 19, 2013
I have lived and paid taxes in Utica School District long enough to learn not to trust the administration, Board of Ed., or the union. This is the most dysfunctional organization in the central NYS area.
aspca

Rochester, NY

#18 Dec 19, 2013
thereis no need for grant money to pay the administrators choices as teacher trainers. this district needs bodies in the classrooms, notfor meaningless development. tbose chosen would be picked by karam and cronies. someone sjould investigate how much the district spent on those horrible modules. the district had many choicesbut wzited until the last minute. they spent hundreds of thousands bringing in people to develop a schedule for the teachers to follow. funny howpercia goes out in an obvious pre-emptive strike to blame teachers union.the administration is known for slipping things into contracts. the last union president didnt fo his due dilligence and allowed the district to slip provisions in that the teachers would have never approved of. they have given in the last 2 contracts. this will not happen again. the district wants to play hardball. teachers will not bend again.bruce and his i.ner circle continue to make ill advised decisions and treat people poorly. maybe if they came out of the cave, saw the 30 plus students in tbe classes saw the poorly designed modules that are not aligned to the test, they would see their decisions are a travesty to the children percia claims to care do much about.
Educated Parent

Utica, NY

#19 Dec 19, 2013
The teacher trainer jobs are posted. They are granted on the basis of seniority. They are not assigned by Karam.

Nobody is blaming the teachers union. They are blaming the union president. The teachers had no say in this decision. Had they been asked they would have supported it as they have in the past. Cherie Grant has chosen herself as the supreme ruler of the union. She will never lower herself to asking someone's opinion on anything. She, in her own mind, knows what is best for the UNION, which is more important than what is best for the teachers and she has no regard whatsoever for what is best for the kids. Cherie is all about Cherie. Nothing more, nothing less.
Anonymous

Smithfield, RI

#20 Dec 19, 2013
No they weren't. You are wrong...the ppl were asked specifically to apply. It was NOT based on seniority or evaluations.

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