Union official blames Remington Arms expansion in Alabama on NY Safe Act

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Ilion, N.Y. A union official said Saturday the Remington Arms Co.'s decision to open a manufacturing plant in Alabama does not bode well for Ilion, and he's blaming New York's Safe Act restrictions on assault weapons.

"It can't be good," said Fran Madore, president of United Mine Workers Local 717, which represents 1,180 of the 1,300 Remington employees in Ilion. "How can it be good?"

Madore said plant officials told him they wanted to meet with him on Monday. They did not say what they wanted to talk about, but Madore said he assumes it will be about the company's reported plans to open a 500,000-square-foot manufacturing plant in Huntsville, Ala.

AL.com reported Saturday that the Huntsville facility could employ up to 2,000 people. It said details could be revealed on Monday about plans for a Remington facility in a former Chrysler plant near Huntsville International Airport.

Military Times reported that the company's expansion in Alabama would not affect Remington's operations in Ilion. But Madore said he's afraid the company has soured on New York because of the passage of the SAFE Act, which bans assault weapons like the AR-15 made by Remington.

Madore said he's worried the company will move jobs out of Ilion, the Herkimer County village where the company has been making firearms since 1816.

"The SAFE Act has been a terrible thing from the beginning," he said. "You'd think New York would be doing everything to keep us. Instead, it passes a law that cripples us."

Remington and other firearms makers can still manufacture assault weapons in New York, but they can't sell them inside the state. New York lawmakers, at the urging of Gov. Andrew Cuomo, imposed the restrictions after a man armed with an assault rifle massacred twenty children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012.

Remington has not given any public indications that it is planning to move out of Ilion. In fact, it has spent more than $20 million on new equipment for its factory in Ilion and added 560 jobs at the plant in the past few years.
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But but but I'm going to be the 2016 nominee, not Hillary! And Utica was getting lonely in being the only area to look just like Detroit! But...!
aurelio bianco

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Then I think the union for Remington workers needs to focus their energies & anger on Pope Andrew of Albany, maybe even sit down and have a one on one with the greaseball. ALL democrats are in bed with ALL the unions so its not like Candy-ass Andy wouldn't sit down with them and show how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Leave Remington alone. They're in business to make money and provide jobs. And if the idiot voters in this state wanna put turds like Cumo in office, then you will pay the price in terms of jobs and growth.
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Preliminary news reports had suggested an assault rifle was used at Sandy Hook. However later news reports indicated that an assault style weapon was found in the shooters vehicle and had not been used. Absent of fact, this tragedy has been exploited to include a ban on assault style rifles sold in the state of New York.
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aurelio bianco wrote:
Then I think the union for Remington workers needs to focus their energies & anger on Pope Andrew of Albany, maybe even sit down and have a one on one with the greaseball. ALL democrats are in bed with ALL the unions so its not like Candy-ass Andy wouldn't sit down with them and show how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is. Leave Remington alone. They're in business to make money and provide jobs. And if the idiot voters in this state wanna put turds like Cumo in office, then you will pay the price in terms of jobs and growth.
You got part of it right when you said:
"They're in business to make money and provide jobs."
The part you got right is that they are in business to make money. The other part is wrong. They are not in business to provide jobs. That is not their mission. Remington is owned by an investment group. Their whole purpose is to make money for the people who invest in them. Otherwise people wouldn't invest. The number of jobs that Remington provides has to be the exact number they need in order to keep up with the demand of their customer and not one job more. It's a business not a social service.

Think about it logically and without emotion. New York is a tough place to do business due to high taxes, high transportation costs, forced unionism, over-reaching environmental regulation and according to several sources, a whole host of other factors that make New York the least business friendly state in the U.S. If you concede that businesses exist for the purpose of making money for their owners then why would a business like Remington not be looking for other places where they can do business for less and make more profit? It's why Levis jeans and every toy you can buy in a Disney store are made in foreign countries.

Remington is part of the Freedom Group, owned by Cerberus Capital Management. Those are investment companies whose sole mission is to make money for themselves and their investors. It's not their mission to provide even one more job than what is needed to maximize profit. It's just business.
aurelio bianco

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I have no problem with Remington packing up & moving out of this state. Despite Cumo's claims of being business friendly, NYS is over-regulated and still taxed to the hilt. Thats why you see all these other states (FL,SC, TX, MI, KY, TN & others) trying to lure business to their state, especially gun manufacturers like Rem. Cumo threw down the gauntlet to gun owners here in NY with the SAFE Act right after Sandy Hook. Does anyone really think Cumo's gonna feel bad if Rem. leaves? You naive, ignorant voters out there....this stupid pile of pasta is up for reelection this fall? Who ya votin' for, you brain-dead lemmings?
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You can blame the Safe Act all you want but I don't think it's a coincidence that Alabama is a RIGHT TO WORK State.
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Most liberal nitwits will never get it. Why do you think we have so many manurfacturing jobs overseas. unions and high taxes force these companies to go where they can be more profitable and end up decimating our towns.
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Wow wrote:
Most liberal nitwits will never get it. Why do you think we have so many manurfacturing jobs overseas. unions and high taxes force these companies to go where they can be more profitable and end up decimating our towns.
Won't happen here....New York is open for business!
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Come now wrote:
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Won't happen here....New York is open for business!
Maybe our governor should spend more time on solutions and less time on slogans. On the other hand, we shouldn't be surprised, Dems have always been big on style over substance.
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Unions Hurt Business wrote:
You can blame the Safe Act all you want but I don't think it's a coincidence that Alabama is a RIGHT TO WORK State.
yea they will have someone working for 6 bucks an hour putting a quality piece together. We did beat the south didn't we . We had better weapons up north.
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jack bean wrote:
<quoted text>yea they will have someone working for 6 bucks an hour putting a quality piece together. We did beat the south didn't we . We had better weapons up north.
Let's put aside for a moment that the federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 and will soon be $10.10 for those working on federal contracts thanks to President Obama using his pen to sign an executive order making it so. That alone makes your opinion moot.

Let's then take it a step further. Remington will open in Alabama. They will advertise for workers. To those who Remington feels are qualified to do the job, they will make an offer. If the offer is too low it will be refused. If it is satisfactory then the qualified applicant will take the job. If it turns out that the new employee isn't up to the task then they will be let go and Remington will replace them. It's called the free market. It's something that doesn't exist in union shops because of union rules. Unions distort the labor market.

Add the high cost of transportation, taxes and regulation in New York State and you can see why opening in Alabama was the right move for Remington as a company and its' owners.
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Did the area and the state team to make an offer to Remington to expand here? Why was this not asked by the OD or other media outlets? We have more agencies throwing money and tax deals around that one can count. Where were they? Did they have any idea of what was going on? Where was the EDGE?
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Did the area and the state team to make an offer to Remington to expand here? Why was this not asked by the OD or other media outlets? We have more agencies throwing money and tax deals around that one can count. Where were they? Did they have any idea of what was going on? Where was the EDGE?
24 regions across the country including New York submitted incentive proposals to Remington. Alabama won, New York lost. There is now a new proposal to Remington being talked about where the county would build(at taxpayer expense of course) a new manufacturing job training facility at the "Pumpkin Patch".

Think about it from a business perspective. Is Remington better off in a right to work state with lower taxes, lower transportation costs, less regulation and all of the other things that make it easier to make a profit? Or, is the right business move to stay in New York, accept the temporary incentives and hope that the state will make the systemic reforms to government that will make New York a more viable place to do business?(Don't hold your breath waiting for anything close to that). The answer is as obvious as the nose on your face. Remington is in business to make money. That's the long and short of it. They are going to go where they can minimize costs and maximize profits. That's what businesses do.
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I find it very curious that when Herk. Cty. officials talked with Albany they assured Herk. Cty. that no jobs were leaving Ilion despite Rem. building a new plant in Ala. Since when does Rem. share their long and short term goals with Albany? This just sounds like the governor's office trying to spin this to give Ilion the impression that Albany has things in control. I think that once Rem, has the new plant up and running, they'll be sending work operations down to Ala. in a piecemeal fashion, till Ilion has just a few hundred workers left.
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Once Remington gets a taste of southern hospitality and looks a it's bottom line NY will be a distant memory. But hey there is a bright side, once you are laid off you qualify for unemployment, free medicaid,section 8 housing and food stamps.
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Did the area and the state team to make an offer to Remington to expand here? Why was this not asked by the OD or other media outlets? We have more agencies throwing money and tax deals around that one can count. Where were they? Did they have any idea of what was going on? Where was the EDGE?
But hey at least they have welfare hockey and fine dining along the overflowing sewer compliments of Anthony Brindisi and Joe Goofo! I am sure that will be a MAJOR reason Remington will stay. Yeah.
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Yes I think that the unsafe act has no affect what so ever in remingtons decisions...NOT. It may not be THE factor but its just another nail in this dying state/area. Thank you komrad koumo and all you're ilk.
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You people better vote for the Democrats in the midterms or your applications for unemployment and food stamps will be conveniently lost.
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god bless the union. if it was not for the great union officers,there would be no remington, no jobs, so when you pass a officer of the union, salute him and thank him.......god I got to stop drinking and getting on here.....it cause of the union, remington is moving people, wake up. i was in a union for 25 years and i know

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