OCSD Sgt Nelson says "if Wyman hadn't gotten there!!"

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Poor Kurt

Utica, NY

#1 Feb 6, 2012
Rocco LaDuca:
when nebush asked nelson if he knew why patterson was in the garage, nelson said that he believed deputy wyman had encountered patterson as he was coming out of the garage upon his arrival ... nelson added, "i believe patterson would have come out of the garage if deputy wyman hadn't gotten there.

“I'm me. Deal with it!”

Since: Oct 11

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#2 Feb 6, 2012
Why would a cop say that on the stand about a cop that died in the line of duty? This isn't true is it?
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#3 Feb 6, 2012
In other words, patterson was armed and possibly on his way out to find his girl (who earlier testified thought he might kill her and beat feet as a result). Wyman just may have interrupted a knoxboro domestic murder/suicide by getting there so fast. picture it, a locked and loaded dispondant patterson on a mission, but then a cop car comes up his driveway and he is pinned to the garage. remember, he didn't call 911, didn't know if/when anyone would call 911. he grabbed a gun and was heading out to square things away once and for all...then that 462 car shows up and stops that. maybe that's why, heather.
Cops are so honest

Utica, NY

#4 Feb 6, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
In other words, patterson was armed and possibly on his way out to find his girl (who earlier testified thought he might kill her and beat feet as a result). Wyman just may have interrupted a knoxboro domestic murder/suicide by getting there so fast. picture it, a locked and loaded dispondant patterson on a mission, but then a cop car comes up his driveway and he is pinned to the garage. remember, he didn't call 911, didn't know if/when anyone would call 911. he grabbed a gun and was heading out to square things away once and for all...then that 462 car shows up and stops that. maybe that's why, heather.
Yup more total speculation to try to disguise the fact that these cops are almost all a bunch of lying blaming buckpassing public bitches!
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#5 Feb 6, 2012
Yes, if something might have happened but did not actually happen, that IS speculation. Can't help that. It's also, at the same time, preventing something from happening....before it happens. It's like reading the play.(I'll dumb it down for you, a touchdown pass is intercepted). I think the cop intercepted the boyfriend, he was as a matter of fact armed, loaded, and ready to rock. Brick simple. Coulda had a dead girlfriend, neighbor(s), son, and patterson himself. who the hell knows? no one, unless you got that crytal ball, that none of us have. Get it now?
WATCHFUL EYE

Utica, NY

#6 Feb 6, 2012
SPECULATION EQUALS NOT GUILTY
IF DA GLOVE DON'T FIT YOU MUST AQUIT
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#7 Feb 6, 2012
sorry, it's a crystal ball, not crytal.
Cops are so honest

Utica, NY

#8 Feb 6, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
Yes, if something might have happened but did not actually happen, that IS speculation. Can't help that. It's also, at the same time, preventing something from happening....before it happens. It's like reading the play.(I'll dumb it down for you, a touchdown pass is intercepted). I think the cop intercepted the boyfriend, he was as a matter of fact armed, loaded, and ready to rock. Brick simple. Coulda had a dead girlfriend, neighbor(s), son, and patterson himself. who the hell knows? no one, unless you got that crytal ball, that none of us have. Get it now?
Maybe but we will never know now. As it is it wasn't what happened.

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Since: Mar 09

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#9 Feb 6, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
sorry, it's a crystal ball, not crytal.
There is a run on crystal balls lately! Utica couldn't operate without them! How do you think they know when the DPW gang is slacking off?
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#10 Feb 6, 2012
WATCHFUL EYE wrote:
SPECULATION EQUALS NOT GUILTY
IF DA GLOVE DON'T FIT YOU MUST AQUIT
Yes, except if you have followed the trial, there has been much more FACT and very little speculation. Guys testified on what they actually did/heard/saw...that's not speculation. PS the OJ case is over, and that saying is an overused cliche'
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#11 Feb 6, 2012
Cops are so honest wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe but we will never know now. As it is it wasn't what happened.
Yea, I know. The girlfriend, the son, all the neighbors, and the "upset" gunman lived through this. So everyone is saved/safe.
Sam

Utica, NY

#12 Feb 6, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
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Yea, I know. The girlfriend, the son, all the neighbors, and the "upset" gunman lived through this. So everyone is saved/safe.
What about the deputy that never got to go home that night? You don't care? That isn't too cool.
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#13 Feb 6, 2012
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>What about the deputy that never got to go home that night? You don't care? That isn't too cool.
no, sorry I was being sarcastic there. everyone got out safe but him. everyone else lived to testify, except for one. care I most certainly do of the way it went down, make no mistake about it.
Sam

Utica, NY

#14 Feb 6, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
<quoted text>
no, sorry I was being sarcastic there. everyone got out safe but him. everyone else lived to testify, except for one. care I most certainly do of the way it went down, make no mistake about it.
Well if more people cared they might stand up and say where there were shortcomings in the Peterson standoff. As it is it appears the police are not willing to man up and admit mistakes were made even though it's plain to see. If people care about him or say they did then why let the mistakes get swept under the rug? That's just a set up for another disaster. By no means should those police still be doing this until they have a plan together and training that's not going t o go to hell when they get into something weird like this. I don't think ANYONE here did the right thing right on up to that young man's parents. It's clear even to the news people something went wrong there but so far they're just doing the usual C.Y.A. thing and hoping to get by. At east that is what it looks like from here.
Feather knows

Utica, NY

#15 Feb 6, 2012
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>Well if more people cared they might stand up and say where there were shortcomings in the Peterson standoff. As it is it appears the police are not willing to man up and admit mistakes were made even though it's plain to see. If people care about him or say they did then why let the mistakes get swept under the rug? That's just a set up for another disaster. By no means should those police still be doing this until they have a plan together and training that's not going t o go to hell when they get into something weird like this. I don't think ANYONE here did the right thing right on up to that young man's parents. It's clear even to the news people something went wrong there but so far they're just doing the usual C.Y.A. thing and hoping to get by. At east that is what it looks like from here.
Good reply. Basically, can improvements be made? Yes. Bus accidents, plane accidents, environmental accidents, racing accidents, farm accidents, industrial accidents, etc....every time something goes wrong, the first human reaction is to point the finger. Sad truth is, an accident is a blessing, as it exposes unforseen weaknesses in any given system/situation. That, in turn, causes a recognition of said weakness and (sometimes by public outcry/or not) a fix. It's always sad when a life has to be lost to "fix" something, but that is absoloutely history repeating itself over and over. Lets hope gains are made so those that died in mishaps didn't give all...for nothing, ok?
Lol is right

Utica, NY

#16 Feb 6, 2012
Poor Kurt wrote:
Rocco LaDuca:
when nebush asked nelson if he knew why patterson was in the garage, nelson said that he believed deputy wyman had encountered patterson as he was coming out of the garage upon his arrival ... nelson added, "i believe patterson would have come out of the garage if deputy wyman hadn't gotten there.
In short it just proves these scumbags are worthess fakes pretending their cops. How many other police agencies have these credibility and performance issues and lack of any intestinal fortitude whatsoever. These ripoff cowards want it ALL ways lol!
Remember

Rome, NY

#17 Feb 7, 2012
Did any neighbors get any of this on video???
Facts vs Speculation

Utica, NY

#18 Feb 7, 2012
Cops are so honest wrote:
<quoted text>Yup more total speculation to try to disguise the fact that these cops are almost all a bunch of lying blaming buckpassing public bitches!
Show us the facts you are speaking of otherwise it is specutlation or profiling on YOUR part.
fact is

New York, NY

#19 Feb 7, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
In other words, patterson was armed and possibly on his way out to find his girl (who earlier testified thought he might kill her and beat feet as a result). Wyman just may have interrupted a knoxboro domestic murder/suicide by getting there so fast. picture it, a locked and loaded dispondant patterson on a mission, but then a cop car comes up his driveway and he is pinned to the garage. remember, he didn't call 911, didn't know if/when anyone would call 911. he grabbed a gun and was heading out to square things away once and for all...then that 462 car shows up and stops that. maybe that's why, heather.
If he were so intent on a murder/suicide, he just as easily could have shot and killed Wyman as he pulled into the driveway, even before he got out of the car. That didn't happen because therew was never any intent of murder and the prosecution is trying to invent it.

This Nelson pig just perjured himself on the stand.
Citizen

Utica, NY

#20 Feb 7, 2012
Feather knows wrote:
Yes, if something might have happened but did not actually happen, that IS speculation. Can't help that. It's also, at the same time, preventing something from happening....before it happens. It's like reading the play.(I'll dumb it down for you, a touchdown pass is intercepted). I think the cop intercepted the boyfriend, he was as a matter of fact armed, loaded, and ready to rock. Brick simple. Coulda had a dead girlfriend, neighbor(s), son, and patterson himself. who the hell knows? no one, unless you got that crytal ball, that none of us have. Get it now?
Gee, you're smart.

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