What is going on at ND
ND parent

Whitesboro, NY

#83 Nov 28, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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You're right about certain parents and others getting special treatment at ND probably. That's the way it is in any organization for the most part. That's not the issue though. Those parents and others didn't make the decision to tell all of the ND coaches to let children who would normally participate play in their respective sports even though they missed practices during that week. The school administration made that call. The issue is insubordination by one arrogant coach who instead of addressing the question when the order was given decided to substitute what he wanted. Do you not get that? Should disregarding an order from a boss be tolerated? That seems to not get through to a lot of people here. If he didn't agree with what was ordered then he should have manned up and said his piece instead of just doing what he wanted. Doesn't that seem a bit arrogant to anyone besides me?
This poster has repeatedly came on here making the same uninformed point. It can be only one of only a few ND parents, because it is the only thing they can say.

I will put this simply to you- there is NO WAY Anna Mae EVER gave an order to any coach to put a player in a game!! NO WAY she would do that, ever!!

1) Now, lets talk about this situation, with kids in a contact sport who missed a week of practice and had not been on the field in 8 days. Ask any Lawyer you know if Anna Mae would take on the financial liability and responsibility for playing one of those kids and something bad happens (injury). The answer is NO WAY!! She is a smart and calculating lady who would NEVER be in the position to be liable for that. That's why they hire a football coach. NDfan, I know you must be smarter than this, but if not, ask ANY LAWYER.

a) One of the four ROTC kids in question here significantly injured his arm two games later. His parents were not present at the game and had to be called to come to the field. An ambulance drove onto the field and took the kid to the hospital. The father arrived and immediately wanted to know if it was a "cheap shot" that caused the injury. When told no, he then demanded a copy of the DVD to assess for himself. These are indisputable facts. IF THIS HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON GAME, the game the kids didn't play, DO YOU THINK THIS FATHER WOULD HAVE SUED, NDfan??

2) Call any local school and ask them what their written policy is on playing time, and who is responsible for determining who plays and who doesn't. I guarantee that NO SCHOOL will say it is written that the High School Principal determines who plays in a contact sport such as football. No well adjusted HS Principal would want to be involved in playing time issues!

3) Call any local school and ask what the written policy is on missing football practices and playing in a game. IT WILL NOT MATTER WHY YOU MISS PRACTICE NDfan. My guess is all of them will say 2 days missed no play. This is a common knowledge thing NDfan.

4) So what is different at ND?, Well this is what we know:

a) One of the players is a Gilroy. Vin Gilroy has a public history of berating and questioning and undermining every school sports coach. Vin Gilroy tells any one who will listen he thinks his son is a Div 1 tight end, and Abraham plays his son as a lineman.

b) Vin Gilroy is on the school board, and was appointed by the bishop, so he has regular access to the bishop and monsignor and, of course, the Principal Anna Mae.

c) The president of the school board is Vin Gilroy's friend, Jim Joseph, and he a handsomely paid for his position. Jim Joseph was Vin Gilroy's college roommate at Lemoyne. I think we can assume they are close. Jim Joseph admitted on recorded tape that he was inappropriately involved in the suspension and firing of Coach Abraham, physically in the room and even signed the documents!! School Board has NO BUSINESS being involved in personnel situations!!

What say you NDfan? Boom. Out.
former ND parent

Whitesboro, NY

#84 Nov 28, 2013
This poster has repeatedly came on here making the same uninformed point. It can be only one of only a few ND parents, because it is the only thing they can say.

I will put this simply to you- there is NO WAY Anna Mae EVER gave an order to any coach to put a player in a game!! NO WAY she would do that, ever!!

1) Now, lets talk about this situation, with kids in a contact sport who missed a week of practice and had not been on the field in 8 days. Ask any Lawyer you know if Anna Mae would take on the financial liability and responsibility for playing one of those kids and something bad happens (injury). The answer is NO WAY!! She is a smart and calculating lady who would NEVER be in the position to be liable for that. That's why they hire a football coach. NDfan, I know you must be smarter than this, but if not, ask ANY LAWYER.

a) One of the four ROTC kids in question here significantly injured his arm two games later. His parents were not present at the game and had to be called to come to the field. An ambulance drove onto the field and took the kid to the hospital. The father arrived and immediately wanted to know if it was a "cheap shot" that caused the injury. When told no, he then demanded a copy of the DVD to assess for himself. These are indisputable facts. IF THIS HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON GAME, the game the kids didn't play, DO YOU THINK THIS FATHER WOULD HAVE SUED, NDfan??

2) Call any local school and ask them what their written policy is on playing time, and who is responsible for determining who plays and who doesn't. I guarantee that NO SCHOOL will say it is written that the High School Principal determines who plays in a contact sport such as football. No well adjusted HS Principal would want to be involved in playing time issues!

3) Call any local school and ask what the written policy is on missing football practices and playing in a game. IT WILL NOT MATTER WHY YOU MISS PRACTICE NDfan. My guess is all of them will say 2 days missed no play. This is a common knowledge thing NDfan.

4) So what is different at ND?, Well this is what we know:

a) One of the players is a Gilroy. Vin Gilroy has a public history of berating and questioning and undermining every school sports coach. Vin Gilroy tells any one who will listen he thinks his son is a Div 1 tight end, and Abraham plays his son as a lineman.

b) Vin Gilroy is on the school board, and was appointed by the bishop, so he has regular access to the bishop and monsignor and, of course, the Principal Anna Mae.

c) The president of the school board is Vin Gilroy's friend, Jim Joseph, and he a handsomely paid for his position. Jim Joseph was Vin Gilroy's college roommate at Lemoyne. I think we can assume they are close. Jim Joseph admitted on recorded tape that he was inappropriately involved in the suspension and firing of Coach Abraham, physically in the room and even signed the documents!! School Board has NO BUSINESS being involved in personnel situations!!

What say you NDfan? Boom. Out.
NDFan

Herkimer, NY

#85 Nov 28, 2013
former ND parent wrote:
This poster has repeatedly came on here making the same uninformed point. It can be only one of only a few ND parents, because it is the only thing they can say.
I will put this simply to you- there is NO WAY Anna Mae EVER gave an order to any coach to put a player in a game!! NO WAY she would do that, ever!!
1) Now, lets talk about this situation, with kids in a contact sport who missed a week of practice and had not been on the field in 8 days. Ask any Lawyer you know if Anna Mae would take on the financial liability and responsibility for playing one of those kids and something bad happens (injury). The answer is NO WAY!! She is a smart and calculating lady who would NEVER be in the position to be liable for that. That's why they hire a football coach. NDfan, I know you must be smarter than this, but if not, ask ANY LAWYER.
a) One of the four ROTC kids in question here significantly injured his arm two games later. His parents were not present at the game and had to be called to come to the field. An ambulance drove onto the field and took the kid to the hospital. The father arrived and immediately wanted to know if it was a "cheap shot" that caused the injury. When told no, he then demanded a copy of the DVD to assess for himself. These are indisputable facts. IF THIS HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON GAME, the game the kids didn't play, DO YOU THINK THIS FATHER WOULD HAVE SUED, NDfan??
2) Call any local school and ask them what their written policy is on playing time, and who is responsible for determining who plays and who doesn't. I guarantee that NO SCHOOL will say it is written that the High School Principal determines who plays in a contact sport such as football. No well adjusted HS Principal would want to be involved in playing time issues!
3) Call any local school and ask what the written policy is on missing football practices and playing in a game. IT WILL NOT MATTER WHY YOU MISS PRACTICE NDfan. My guess is all of them will say 2 days missed no play. This is a common knowledge thing NDfan.
4) So what is different at ND?, Well this is what we know:
a) One of the players is a Gilroy. Vin Gilroy has a public history of berating and questioning and undermining every school sports coach. Vin Gilroy tells any one who will listen he thinks his son is a Div 1 tight end, and Abraham plays his son as a lineman.
b) Vin Gilroy is on the school board, and was appointed by the bishop, so he has regular access to the bishop and monsignor and, of course, the Principal Anna Mae.
c) The president of the school board is Vin Gilroy's friend, Jim Joseph, and he a handsomely paid for his position. Jim Joseph was Vin Gilroy's college roommate at Lemoyne. I think we can assume they are close. Jim Joseph admitted on recorded tape that he was inappropriately involved in the suspension and firing of Coach Abraham, physically in the room and even signed the documents!! School Board has NO BUSINESS being involved in personnel situations!!
What say you NDfan? Boom. Out.
What did Sister Anna Mae tell all of the coaches and participants about sports participants who went to ROTC boot camp? That's key in this. If you don't know the answer then the rest is moot. Do you know the answer?
Utica

Utica, NY

#86 Nov 28, 2013
You all are missing the point Abraham resigning had NOTHING to do with ROTC! If you want the truth ask the Coach.
Parent

Whitesboro, NY

#87 Nov 28, 2013
NDFan wrote:
<quoted text>
What did Sister Anna Mae tell all of the coaches and participants about sports participants who went to ROTC boot camp? That's key in this. If you don't know the answer then the rest is moot. Do you know the answer?
Is Principal Anna Mae the head coach of the football team? Does she know what is safe and unsafe for the players? How many years experience does Anna Mae have in playing, practicing, and studying the game? How many years experience does she have in coaching the sport of football?

Why would Sister Anna Mae tell, order, demand, dare, or even suggest what a hired head football coach should or should not do with his players on his team?

It makes zero logistical sense!
former ND parent

Whitesboro, NY

#88 Nov 28, 2013
NDFan wrote:
<quoted text>
What did Sister Anna Mae tell all of the coaches and participants about sports participants who went to ROTC boot camp? That's key in this. If you don't know the answer then the rest is moot. Do you know the answer?
Yes I do know the answer. The answer is Sister Anna Mae told the coaching staff NOTHING AT ALL. Zero. Nada.

Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it isn't true.
cosmo

Utica, NY

#89 Nov 28, 2013
Utica wrote:
You all are missing the point Abraham resigning had NOTHING to do with ROTC! If you want the truth ask the Coach.
what did it have to do with?
Skip

Syracuse, NY

#92 Nov 29, 2013
Rockne wrote:
<quoted text>. Unfortunately most of the money generated is from the sports programs . ND has 3 very respectable coaches Durr, Plonisch, and Byron . Alot of alumni give money back to the school because of these guys. Most people feel that an injustice was done to a very caring qualified guy who happened to represent the school in a positive way.
Breaking news. Mike Fizgerald will be taking over the football program, hire the new Coach and give him a job at Oriskany Manufacturing. His son will then me named the starting QB.
lol lol

Utica, NY

#93 Nov 29, 2013
Didn't that happen to the baseball coach at ND
Gee

Moravia, NY

#95 Nov 30, 2013
Some parents think their kid is the next best NFL player and a little ROTC will not stand in their way. Rules are for the less powerful not the ones that get positions to insert their agenda.
Sad Times

Herkimer, NY

#96 Nov 30, 2013
A once-great NDHS has lost its moral compass. The administration has succumbed to the belief that the perceived elitist parents' wishes is more important than justice. It is the beginning of the end for an institution which is sorely needed in our community.
And, it is a sad time for us all.
ND grad

Utica, NY

#97 Dec 1, 2013
ND has 41 seniors .. the school is in last ditch efforts for money. Its taking cash and letting these oeople make decisions. Its the same as RCH. ND will close next. Might take 2 or 3 years but lets face it. They will never get the money from the good news foundation because its a matching grant and they won't raise 4 million. My god they put vin gilroy and his buddy in charge of the money. Ask bob bullock what vinny does with money...oops bobs in prison. Only people gonna get money here is gilroy and joseph
former ND parent

Springfield, NJ

#98 Dec 1, 2013
ND grad wrote:
ND has 41 seniors .. the school is in last ditch efforts for money. Its taking cash and letting these oeople make decisions. Its the same as RCH. ND will close next. Might take 2 or 3 years but lets face it. They will never get the money from the good news foundation because its a matching grant and they won't raise 4 million. My god they put vin gilroy and his buddy in charge of the money. Ask bob bullock what vinny does with money...oops bobs in prison. Only people gonna get money here is gilroy and joseph
I was told Jim Joseph is getting paid $40,000 of the kids money for what is a part time job! Vin Gilroy took care if his buddy for sure.....until he rats Joseph out and turns police witness against him and he goes to jail
fitz

Ithaca, NY

#99 Dec 1, 2013
Fitzgerald kid should join the chess club because he sure can't play sports. Another azz of a parent.
Wondering

Herkimer, NY

#100 Dec 3, 2013
It is curious that NDHS has not made a comment about the upheaval caused by the football coaches dismissal. You would think that if the school was in the right they would have had an explanation for the public in this matter.
I have always thought that ND provided a necessary alternative to public education in our community. Their failure to bring some light to the current situation makes me doubt my former belief.
slim

Utica, NY

#101 Dec 4, 2013
There is no question ND made a huge error in judgement here. Amazing how they let a few people with money get their way.
Chuck

Ithaca, NY

#102 Dec 4, 2013
I have to agree, ND messed up bigtime.
NDFan

Herkimer, NY

#103 Dec 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
It is curious that NDHS has not made a comment about the upheaval caused by the football coaches dismissal. You would think that if the school was in the right they would have had an explanation for the public in this matter.
I have always thought that ND provided a necessary alternative to public education in our community. Their failure to bring some light to the current situation makes me doubt my former belief.
It's an internal personnel matter at a private school. How is it you believe they owe an explanation to the general public? There have been meetings with and mass emails to parents on the subject. The people inside the ND community have access and have information. It's been my experience that ND doesn't comment publicly on any internal policy or personnel matters. They comment to the people who they are responsible to though.

Doubt your belief? Belief in what? That you are entitled to full disclosure about matters you are not involved with or affected by?
ND parent

Ardsley, NY

#104 Dec 4, 2013
NDFan wrote:
<quoted text>
It's an internal personnel matter at a private school. How is it you believe they owe an explanation to the general public? There have been meetings with and mass emails to parents on the subject. The people inside the ND community have access and have information. It's been my experience that ND doesn't comment publicly on any internal policy or personnel matters. They comment to the people who they are responsible to though.
Doubt your belief? Belief in what? That you are entitled to full disclosure about matters you are not involved with or affected by?
They has been no clear communication from the administration to the ND parents at all. One email saying he resigned. Thats it.

Whether you chose to believe it or not this has had a long lasting negative impact on the kids. This is not just about the football kids. Every kid in the school knows coach was fired because Gilroys kid didn't play in the game-everyone heard him at the game saying Coach was going to be fired for sitting his son. The only positive is that the ND kids have learned that special treatment is alive and well, even in a Christian school. They will be smarter now to how the world of people like Joseph, Gilroy and Anna Mae really works.

Now they know that even their principal, who is a nun, is unfair and unethical. Who can these kids trust within there school? Truth us, no one.

As far as the community, ND is the only real private school option around here. People that are considering to send children, nieces and nephews, grandkids etc deserve full information about their options. Also, local church donations are given to the school. Everyone has a right to have an ethical ND school in their community.
NH parent

Albany, NY

#105 Dec 4, 2013
Well said ND parent. I'm a NH parent. I seen the coach at the basketball game last night. Last place I thought I would see him. It seemed like everyone in the place was talking to him. He's a good guy. He is good for the school.

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