What is going on at ND
what will Byron do now

Ithaca, NY

#63 Nov 26, 2013
The biggest question is will Byron live up to all his talk about how horrible proctor is for all these years. Will you now go coach at Proctor and take all these ND kids you were saving from there with you; or will you be a man of integrity and quietly move on with no pressure to those kids to leave? This will be your defining moment for all to see what kind of man you really are Byron well you do what is best for them or what is best to make you look good. Despite the wrong that MAY have been done to you do you turn around and do the same to the young men that look up to you as a coach, our do you leave that team intact and let them do something special with out you can you be that man??????
Deep Throat

Utica, NY

#64 Nov 26, 2013
what will Byron do now wrote:
The biggest question is will Byron live up to all his talk about how horrible proctor is for all these years. Will you now go coach at Proctor and take all these ND kids you were saving from there with you; or will you be a man of integrity and quietly move on with no pressure to those kids to leave? This will be your defining moment for all to see what kind of man you really are Byron well you do what is best for them or what is best to make you look good. Despite the wrong that MAY have been done to you do you turn around and do the same to the young men that look up to you as a coach, our do you leave that team intact and let them do something special with out you can you be that man??????
Deep undercover source leaks have it that Byron's being touted by RFA
Smart move

Albany, NY

#65 Nov 26, 2013
We'll considering Proctor isn't going to hire him with all the baggage he brings and he also is not welcomed at NH like he has told everyone. It only makes sense for him to go there and his son stay at ND. Deep undercover also says none of them kids are really leaving ND.
baggage

Ithaca, NY

#66 Nov 26, 2013
What baggage could it be any worse than what has already been happening he could only make it better
former ND parent

Ardsley, NY

#67 Nov 26, 2013
Smart move wrote:
We'll considering Proctor isn't going to hire him with all the baggage he brings and he also is not welcomed at NH like he has told everyone. It only makes sense for him to go there and his son stay at ND. Deep undercover also says none of them kids are really leaving ND.
Kids are definitely leaving the school over this, the only real question is how many. Some kids are leaving right after basketball is done, some at the end of the school
year. Families are waiting to see where Coach Abraham is hired so they can factor that into their decision.

Do you really think that with Abraham fired and Durr leaving after the season that some parents with legitimate athletes won't transfer? Consider this too, how many families that were going to send their athlete to ND before will no longer do so?

This is a sad and embarrassing situation. I don't know what the future holds for ND athletics, but next years football and basketball teams will be very different.
mike durr

Herkimer, NY

#68 Nov 26, 2013
news to me...where am I going?
Dream land

Glenfield, NY

#69 Nov 26, 2013
Do you actually think that ND will suffer here? ND has been standing for a long time long enough to get Byron and many other athletes in great colleges. People come there for a different education not for Byron! Fact all these kids you are talking about don't run the engine and there are kids to replace them pieces. The key ingredients will still be intact and so will the future kids to come. Can we just move on this is getting tiring. He is a mediocre coach at best and none of these kids are waiting to see were he goes but waiting to see who takes his spot.
notre dame alum

Utica, NY

#70 Nov 26, 2013
Dream land wrote:
Do you actually think that ND will suffer here? ND has been standing for a long time long enough to get Byron and many other athletes in great colleges. People come there for a different education not for Byron! Fact all these kids you are talking about don't run the engine and there are kids to replace them pieces. The key ingredients will still be intact and so will the future kids to come. Can we just move on this is getting tiring. He is a mediocre coach at best and none of these kids are waiting to see were he goes but waiting to see who takes his spot.
That's what the problem us here... You morons actually think that notre dame high school had anything to do w Byron Abraham and the countless other athletes getting into colleges! College coaches care about 2 things when they come recruit kids: 1. Grades 2. SAT scores. They already know u can play and could care less if you went to Notre Dame, Proctor, wboro, nh or Clinton!
Get off your high horse
NDFan

Utica, NY

#71 Nov 27, 2013
former ND parent wrote:
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Kids are definitely leaving the school over this, the only real question is how many. Some kids are leaving right after basketball is done, some at the end of the school
year. Families are waiting to see where Coach Abraham is hired so they can factor that into their decision.
Do you really think that with Abraham fired and Durr leaving after the season that some parents with legitimate athletes won't transfer? Consider this too, how many families that were going to send their athlete to ND before will no longer do so?
This is a sad and embarrassing situation. I don't know what the future holds for ND athletics, but next years football and basketball teams will be very different.
Any parent who would change a child's school because of where a football coach is employed will get exactly what they deserve.

"legitimate athletes"?
sam

Moravia, NY

#72 Nov 27, 2013
People will not change schools due to a coach being fired they will the way it was done. It is fine to fire anyone but not because they did not play a board members kid. The suspension was wrong the firing was unforgivable. Kids need to know breaking rules have consequences not that they can do anything and their daddy will make it right.
NDFan

Utica, NY

#73 Nov 27, 2013
sam wrote:
People will not change schools due to a coach being fired they will the way it was done. It is fine to fire anyone but not because they did not play a board members kid. The suspension was wrong the firing was unforgivable. Kids need to know breaking rules have consequences not that they can do anything and their daddy will make it right.
He resigned. He was not fired.

Sister Anna Mae is the boss. The boss made a decision. Coach Abraham, the subordinate, chose to ignore the order, the rule, the decision, whatever you want to call it. He substituted his judgment in direct conflict with an order he was given. He was unapologetic. He even gave media interviews to make his case. He just forgot I guess to mention the part about him being told what he was to do and the fact that he didn't challenge the direction he was given at the time it was given. He wasn't under scrutiny and suspended because he didn't "play a board member's kid". He was given what he was given because he disobeyed a direct order. In the real world if a boss gives an order the subordinate either follows the order regardless their opinion or they explain to the boss why in their opinion they think the order is wrong. Neither of these things happened. In his typical arrogant way Byron Abraham did what he wanted. You can make all of the excuses about football preparation you want but this really isn't about football when you peel away the layers. It's about an employee substituting his opinion in place of an order he was given.
I know

Herkimer, NY

#74 Nov 27, 2013
ND Fan can rationalize this anyway she likes. The truth of the matter is that the ND administration bows down to those who they perceive to be the elite parents connected to the school. It has finally caught up with this administration.
Many of us who have supported the school in the past are beginning to question their ability to govern.
That is the crux of ND's problem.
NDFan

Utica, NY

#75 Nov 27, 2013
I know wrote:
ND Fan can rationalize this anyway she likes. The truth of the matter is that the ND administration bows down to those who they perceive to be the elite parents connected to the school. It has finally caught up with this administration.
Many of us who have supported the school in the past are beginning to question their ability to govern.
That is the crux of ND's problem.
You're right about certain parents and others getting special treatment at ND probably. That's the way it is in any organization for the most part. That's not the issue though. Those parents and others didn't make the decision to tell all of the ND coaches to let children who would normally participate play in their respective sports even though they missed practices during that week. The school administration made that call. The issue is insubordination by one arrogant coach who instead of addressing the question when the order was given decided to substitute what he wanted. Do you not get that? Should disregarding an order from a boss be tolerated? That seems to not get through to a lot of people here. If he didn't agree with what was ordered then he should have manned up and said his piece instead of just doing what he wanted. Doesn't that seem a bit arrogant to anyone besides me?
ND grad 99

Utica, NY

#76 Nov 27, 2013
Nd fan...your one dumb lady. The coach was never told to play kids .. that's your point and you are wrong. Stop sounding so obtuse. Your dead wrong and on the wrong side here. The coach isn't coaching cross country. Hes coaching a dangerous collision contact sport. And you say arrogant...I say confident. The man wins...year in and year out. If you don't like the disipline and attitude he brings then keep your kid in cross country and in the winless soccer program. There are sports at ND for your kids and there is football for the tough kids. Kids that want a serious game and practice run by coaches that are serious about winning. That might not be important to you...and that's ok. But stop thinking you know what your talking about. The assistant principal and athletic director never informed the staff to play any kids. Why were the rotc kids the previous year not allowed to play...I will tell you...its because a board members son was not one of them.
I know

Herkimer, NY

#77 Nov 27, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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You're right about certain parents and others getting special treatment at ND probably. That's the way it is in any organization for the most part. That's not the issue though. Those parents and others didn't make the decision to tell all of the ND coaches to let children who would normally participate play in their respective sports even though they missed practices during that week. The school administration made that call. The issue is insubordination by one arrogant coach who instead of addressing the question when the order was given decided to substitute what he wanted. Do you not get that? Should disregarding an order from a boss be tolerated? That seems to not get through to a lot of people here. If he didn't agree with what was ordered then he should have manned up and said his piece instead of just doing what he wanted. Doesn't that seem a bit arrogant to anyone besides me?
You can't imagine how you embarrass yourself everytime you spout off. You obviously have no idea what transpired here. I suggest you have someone fill you in before you continue.Lol
left tackle

Utica, NY

#78 Nov 27, 2013
Ladies and gentlemen....boys and girls. It's class C/D football. That's it! Byron has moved on and Notre Dame has moved on.Enough said. A new ND coach announcement will be forthcoming very soon I'm sure. Byron certainly has marketable skills as a football coach and some school will pick him up very soon I'm sure. Life goes on, enough of the crying
I know

Herkimer, NY

#79 Nov 27, 2013
left tackle wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen....boys and girls. It's class C/D football. That's it! Byron has moved on and Notre Dame has moved on.Enough said. A new ND coach announcement will be forthcoming very soon I'm sure. Byron certainly has marketable skills as a football coach and some school will pick him up very soon I'm sure. Life goes on, enough of the crying
So, go watch your OPRAH reruns.
Utica

Utica, NY

#80 Nov 27, 2013
ND grad - don't come. Ack and think you know anything - The differences between coach and. School HAD nothing to do with playing time. If you are so close just ask coach why?
Host

Utica, NY

#81 Nov 27, 2013
left tackle wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen....boys and girls. It's class C/D football. That's it! Byron has moved on and Notre Dame has moved on.Enough said. A new ND coach announcement will be forthcoming very soon I'm sure. Byron certainly has marketable skills as a football coach and some school will pick him up very soon I'm sure. Life goes on, enough of the crying
Yeah, RFA
NDfan2

Herkimer, NY

#82 Nov 28, 2013
ND grad 99 wrote:
Nd fan...your one dumb lady.
Before you call someone dumb you should learn the difference between your and you're then use the right one.

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