Tier 6 Pension Plan Will Hurt Teacher...
Truth

Whitesboro, NY

#105 Aug 17, 2014
New Deal Democrat wrote:
The taxpayers should pick up the tab on Pensions for Teachers!
Dear "New Deal Democrat",
There is something I think you should know. FDR, author of the New Deal was for private sector unions/worker rights but not at all for public sector unions like teacher's unions. He said this:

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," he wrote. "It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."

I guess then if you truly are New Deal Democrat then you can't be for what the unions have done in and to public education in America.
Old Deal Dem

Syracuse, NY

#106 Aug 17, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Dear "New Deal Democrat",
There is something I think you should know. FDR, author of the New Deal was for private sector unions/worker rights but not at all for public sector unions like teacher's unions. He said this:
"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," he wrote. "It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management."
I guess then if you truly are New Deal Democrat then you can't be for what the unions have done in and to public education in America.
Education is supposed to be a power reserved to each individual state, governed at each the state and LOCAL level via an elected school board. We have drifted so far from this. The power hungry billionaire club is using its mega bucks to buy politicians to 1. Starve public schools of money. 2. Offer grants at the national level but you have to follow their rules if you accept their money (Common Core, teacher evaluation system, stripping parents of their children's privacy rights by allowing data collection) 3. Once they have complete control they will manipulate data to set up schools as their own personal cash cows and only teach their social agenda. This has already started. Schools must purchase their companies goods and services including technology. 4. Kids who are good little soldiers and bright will be sucked into working for the billionaires companies. Everybody else will be dependent on whatever crumbs they decide to give them. We are well on our way to a 2 class society just like serfdom. Somehow I think FDR would be sad to see it.
State Pension

Syracuse, NY

#108 Aug 17, 2014
I laugh all the time when I collect my state pension spending the winters in Florida, sipping on a martini and watching spring training while all the poor slobs pick up the tab!!!,
Truth

Whitesboro, NY

#109 Aug 18, 2014
Old Deal Dem wrote:
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Education is supposed to be a power reserved to each individual state, governed at each the state and LOCAL level via an elected school board. We have drifted so far from this. The power hungry billionaire club is using its mega bucks to buy politicians to 1. Starve public schools of money. 2. Offer grants at the national level but you have to follow their rules if you accept their money (Common Core, teacher evaluation system, stripping parents of their children's privacy rights by allowing data collection) 3. Once they have complete control they will manipulate data to set up schools as their own personal cash cows and only teach their social agenda. This has already started. Schools must purchase their companies goods and services including technology. 4. Kids who are good little soldiers and bright will be sucked into working for the billionaires companies. Everybody else will be dependent on whatever crumbs they decide to give them. We are well on our way to a 2 class society just like serfdom. Somehow I think FDR would be sad to see it.
What?

You can than Democrat President Jimmy Carter for the U.S. Department of Education that wrestled power away from state and local control. It wasn't a "hungry billionaire club".

At least here in New York we(taxpayers) are spending more money per student than ever and the number goes up every year. That hardly sounds like we are starving our schools. At the same time the taxpayers are spending more, student achievement is in decline when compared with the rest of the world. Where is the money going then if it is not making it to the classrooms? It's going to teachers and administrators via their willing accomplices, the local boards of education elected to represent the taxpayers interests. That is where the problem lies. Not with some imaginary cabal of wealthy people.

Common Core is an attempt to bring education in line with the demands of the real world. Teachers and academics have been in charge for generations trying this or that new teaching method and we've seen a decline. If you were to actually look at what Common Core is, how it was designed and who designed it rather than buying into the teacher's union public relations campaign you'd see this:
"Designed through collaboration among teachers, school chiefs, administrators, and other experts, the standards provide a clear and consistent framework for educators."
http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standa...

Teacher unions are against anything like Common Core or charter schools that represent a challenge to their monopoly regardless of whether they are better for the education of our children and the betterment of our country.

If we allow those who have been setting educational policy for generations continue then the decline will continue. I don't think FDR would be for that because it leads to further loss of American jobs and the necessity for importing foreign talent because there are no qualified American candidates. Do a Google search for "H-1B visas", laws governing them and the origin of those laws to see what I'm talking about. Not sure FDR would be to excited about this situation either.

The fact also remains that FDR was against unions for the public sector.
Union Organizer

Syracuse, NY

#110 Aug 18, 2014
Public Unions fight for their employees!, so that employees get what they deserve, a piece of the pie!!
Truth

Utica, NY

#111 Aug 18, 2014
Union Organizer wrote:
Public Unions fight for their employees!, so that employees get what they deserve, a piece of the pie!!
The compensation for any job should be based on a few things:
1) How much the most qualified candidate is willing to do the job for.
2) How many people are in the pool of qualified candidates.

We(taxpayers) elect representatives to represent our interests. They should be allowed to set compensation rates based on economic reality and not on union demands. Especially when those demands far exceed on average what is offered in the private sector that is footing the lion's share of the bill.

Unions today are nothing more that big businesses
Union Guy

Utica, NY

#112 Aug 18, 2014
Unions provide their employees with great Pensions through legislation!!,
Truth

Utica, NY

#113 Aug 19, 2014
Union Guy wrote:
Unions provide their employees with great Pensions through legislation!!,
Unions buy votes from politicians.
Is it any different than big business lobbying politicians to get what they want?

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#114 Aug 19, 2014
Study: Half of All School Employees Not Teachers, 130% Increase Since 1970

The ranks of non-teachers - such as administrators, counselors, teacher aides and cafeteria workers - has swelled 130 percent since 1970 and they now make up 50 percent of all public school employees according to a new study, The Hidden Half: School Employees Who Don't Teach.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/zoey-dimauro/...
pensions suspended

Utica, NY

#115 Aug 19, 2014
Ha Ha Ha Ha ha, you're gonna lose your union, the unions affiliated with the teacher's and administrator's will be going down and all your pensions suspended if NOT obliterated, ha ha ha ha ha ! They better have a back up plan one of these days those teacher's pensions are going to be suspended for a said period of time and possibly revoked. They can say that can't happen, but it can and it will and they can thank the Family and Friends for their financial losses. Then as if goes for those kids, they will need to find alternate educational resources, ie schooling for a good duration of time. Those outlying districts maybe forced to accept those students but after their school day has finished. Again, they can thank the local Family and Friends plan for what will happen when there is a major bust.
Bob

Utica, NY

#116 Aug 19, 2014
In capitalism you have the have and the have-nots,just because I have a great pension and you don't is too bad but that's how the cookie crumbles in life! So be a good sport!!
Educator

Utica, NY

#117 Aug 20, 2014
I'm all for Capitalism because everyone shouldn't be making the same money or be entitled to the same benefits! You need low life's working at McDonald's or for DPW! Those jobs are essential in the economy, because not everyone can cut the mustard to be a Doctor?
Bob

Utica, NY

#118 Aug 20, 2014
I'm sure glad I'm Tier 4 instead of Tier 5 or 6 since I only have to contribute for the first 10 years of working towards my pension with the taxpayers picking up the remainder of the Tab!!,
Jimmy Salamy

Utica, NY

#119 Aug 21, 2014
The great Pension is what enticed me to go into teaching,along with the Salary, and Benefits!
cynbriar

Utica, NY

#120 Aug 21, 2014
State Pension wrote:
I laugh all the time when I collect my state pension spending the winters in Florida, sipping on a martini and watching spring training while all the poor slobs pick up the tab!!!,
Why would you even say something as stupid as this? People don't have a clue as to what it takes to teach a child much less a classroom full. You must not be a teacher
John

Cortland, NY

#121 Aug 21, 2014
cynbriar wrote:
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Why would you even say something as stupid as this? People don't have a clue as to what it takes to teach a child much less a classroom full. You must not be a teacher
You probably graduated at the bottom of your class, but most importantly, you are most likely a crappy teacher that hides behind your union!
Russ

Syracuse, NY

#122 Aug 21, 2014
It's about time NYS changed the public pension plan!!,
Ralph Leo

Cortland, NY

#123 Aug 22, 2014
High Pensions attract TopTeachers!!!
Bob

Cortland, NY

#124 Aug 23, 2014
Teachers deserve huge pensions!!!
TooMuchSchoolTax

Whitesboro, NY

#125 Aug 23, 2014
Ralph Leo wrote:
High Pensions attract TopTeachers!!!
If they were all top teachers graduation rates and test scores would be going up instead of down. tenure and big pensions attract a lot of bad teachers too.

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