Tier 6 Pension Plan Will Hurt Teacher...
Ralph Leo

Rome, NY

#63 Aug 3, 2014
Bring back Tier 1 Pension !!!!
Truth Moron

Whitesboro, NY

#64 Aug 4, 2014
Truth wrote:
Overlay teacher salary and benefit increases with the decline in education, U.S. vs. the world. The decline, when compared with the rest of the world started when teachers were granted collective bargaining rights and has accelerated since.
Taxpayers have allowed teachers to become a special class of public employees immune from what is happening economically in the rest of the country.
There have always been ESL children. There have always been parents who don't care about education and use the public schools as nothing more than a babysitter. There have always been grades. These are not new developments. Teachers use them as excuses as though they are.
It's time to decertify all public sector unions but especially the public school teacher and administrator unions. Time for the salary and benefit structure to more accurately reflect what is going on in the larger world.
What's going on in the real world is corporate America screwing over the middle class you moron.
Truth

Utica, NY

#65 Aug 4, 2014
Truth Moron wrote:
<quoted text>What's going on in the real world is corporate America screwing over the middle class you moron.
I would say that based on your comments, you don't know much about a free market economy and life in the real world of the private sector.

Businesses exist to make money for their owners. They do not exist to create jobs or pay a level of compensation that someone has decided is "fair". Compensation for any job should be based on what the least amount that the most qualified candidate is willing to take and not on an emotion based index. Public sector unions, with their demands that exceed what is available in the private sector, distort the marketplace.

Tier 6 will go a long way toward restoring a balance.
right

Utica, NY

#66 Aug 4, 2014
dumbum wrote:
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They work at least 10 months since school is September thru June
At least 2 weeks vacation at Christmas, at least a week's winter vacation, a week's spring vacation, the days off at Thanksgiving, the legal holidays, the half-days, the snow days, etc. etc.
not to mention the days leading up to vacation where the kids do nothing but play, play, play. They are lucky if they work 8 months out of the entire year.
John Nehme

Utica, NY

#67 Aug 5, 2014
I love my vacations and benefits!
Truth Meathead

Whitesboro, NY

#68 Aug 5, 2014
Truth wrote:
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I would say that based on your comments, you don't know much about a free market economy and life in the real world of the private sector.
Businesses exist to make money for their owners. They do not exist to create jobs or pay a level of compensation that someone has decided is "fair". Compensation for any job should be based on what the least amount that the most qualified candidate is willing to take and not on an emotion based index. Public sector unions, with their demands that exceed what is available in the private sector, distort the marketplace.
Tier 6 will go a long way toward restoring a balance.
Spoken like a true Republican tight ass jerk off.
John

Madison, NY

#69 Aug 6, 2014
Bring back tier 1 so I can hit the jackpot!!,
Truth

Utica, NY

#70 Aug 6, 2014
Truth Meathead wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like a true Republican tight ass jerk off.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when someone has no intelligent argument to present that supports their point of view the name calling and bad language appears. Sure sign of a weak mind and weak point of view.
The good life

Syracuse, NY

#71 Aug 7, 2014
Tier 6 pension sucks, continuous contributions and low payout, now how do they expect me to buy my winter home in Florida?
Campbell Brown

Syracuse, NY

#72 Aug 8, 2014
Truth wrote:
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I would say that based on your comments, you don't know much about a free market economy and life in the real world of the private sector.
Businesses exist to make money for their owners. They do not exist to create jobs or pay a level of compensation that someone has decided is "fair". Compensation for any job should be based on what the least amount that the most qualified candidate is willing to take and not on an emotion based index. Public sector unions, with their demands that exceed what is available in the private sector, distort the marketplace.
Tier 6 will go a long way toward restoring a balance.
That's exactly what we're trying to do: Turn public schools into for profit businesses. We don't give a crap what or if the kids learn anything. Well just indoctrinate them to vote for the people who keep us in power. The people won't have a say anymore because WE, ie. my husband, his boss the failed Washington D.C. "School Reformer" Michelle Rhee, and our billionaire backers will have complete control. We'll get folks on our side by making the issue about eliminating teacher tenure. Once that's done we can finally bust the unions and CASH IN. Can you say Ca- Ching?
Wake up people. Teachers are not your enemies.
Truth Aszkisser

Whitesboro, NY

#73 Aug 8, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when someone has no intelligent argument to present that supports their point of view the name calling and bad language appears. Sure sign of a weak mind and weak point of view.
Look meathead, not everyone is a union bashing, company man like yourself. How many times a day do you kiss your boss's ass? Run now, he needs his coffee!
Truth

Utica, NY

#74 Aug 8, 2014
Truth Aszkisser wrote:
<quoted text>Look meathead, not everyone is a union bashing, company man like yourself. How many times a day do you kiss your boss's ass? Run now, he needs his coffee!
Do you have any facts that contradict anything I've said or is the name calling all you have. Like I said, that kind of post is the sign of a weak mind and weak point of view.
Truth

Utica, NY

#75 Aug 8, 2014
Campbell Brown wrote:
<quoted text>
That's exactly what we're trying to do: Turn public schools into for profit businesses. We don't give a crap what or if the kids learn anything. Well just indoctrinate them to vote for the people who keep us in power. The people won't have a say anymore because WE, ie. my husband, his boss the failed Washington D.C. "School Reformer" Michelle Rhee, and our billionaire backers will have complete control. We'll get folks on our side by making the issue about eliminating teacher tenure. Once that's done we can finally bust the unions and CASH IN. Can you say Ca- Ching?
Wake up people. Teachers are not your enemies.
Charter schools are taxpayer funded for-profit, non-union businesses. Please explain why the charters are more successful than their union dominated counterparts.

Indoctrination? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. The public schools in America are bastions of liberal Democrat thought. Talk about an indoctrination machine. It's been that way for generations. The entire educational system in America is overwhelmingly liberal. Pre-1970's the US was the gold standard when it came to public education. The decline is documented and the causes are obvious.

Why is it exactly that you disparage Michelle Rhee? Because she wanted to bring accountability back to the Washington, DC schools? She wanted to reward good teachers and get rid of bad ones. Is that a bad thing? She wanted teachers to work harder to bring up achievement levels in one of the(if not the) worst school districts in the country. Is that a bad thing? Taxpayers had been throwing money at the problem in the D.C. schools for years and not only was there no improvement, there was decline. Teachers getting richer and test scores going down. Sound familiar? It should. It's what is happening all over New York State right now. She was driven out by teacher's unions who masterfully manipulated public perception. That is a bad thing.
Joe

Utica, NY

#76 Aug 8, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Charter schools are taxpayer funded for-profit, non-union businesses. Please explain why the charters are more successful than their union dominated counterparts.
Indoctrination? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. The public schools in America are bastions of liberal Democrat thought. Talk about an indoctrination machine. It's been that way for generations. The entire educational system in America is overwhelmingly liberal. Pre-1970's the US was the gold standard when it came to public education. The decline is documented and the causes are obvious.
Why is it exactly that you disparage Michelle Rhee? Because she wanted to bring accountability back to the Washington, DC schools? She wanted to reward good teachers and get rid of bad ones. Is that a bad thing? She wanted teachers to work harder to bring up achievement levels in one of the(if not the) worst school districts in the country. Is that a bad thing? Taxpayers had been throwing money at the problem in the D.C. schools for years and not only was there no improvement, there was decline. Teachers getting richer and test scores going down. Sound familiar? It should. It's what is happening all over New York State right now. She was driven out by teacher's unions who masterfully manipulated public perception. That is a bad thing.
teachers need to be compensated, they need to live well !!!,
Truth Brown Nose

Whitesboro, NY

#77 Aug 8, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Do you have any facts that contradict anything I've said or is the name calling all you have. Like I said, that kind of post is the sign of a weak mind and weak point of view.
How's this for fact? Why is your nose brown? From sniffing your boss's ass, that's why.
Eat sh*t.
English teacher

Utica, NY

#78 Aug 8, 2014
People are jeleous because teachers get high salaries and good benefits!
Easy Street

Utica, NY

#79 Aug 9, 2014
What's wrong with getting a Rolls Royce Pension ?
Truth

Utica, NY

#80 Aug 9, 2014
English teacher wrote:
People are jeleous because teachers get high salaries and good benefits!
I'm only posting this part because you've posted using the screen name "English Teacher" - it's spelled "jealous".

Some probably are. Not all though. I would bet that more people are upset with the fact that teachers have become a protected class of worker paid by taxpayers from the time that they are first employed until the day they die. This, at a time when public education is in decline when compared with the rest of the world. It's rare to find anything close to that in the private sector. It's not jealousy as much as anger over the lack of equity in this situation. I believe it would be different if our children were leading the way. Instead many corporations have to import foreign talent because our graduates aren't up to the task.
Not true

Dolgeville, NY

#81 Aug 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Charter schools are taxpayer funded for-profit, non-union businesses. Please explain why the charters are more successful than their union dominated counterparts.
Indoctrination? If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. The public schools in America are bastions of liberal Democrat thought. Talk about an indoctrination machine. It's been that way for generations. The entire educational system in America is overwhelmingly liberal. Pre-1970's the US was the gold standard when it came to public education. The decline is documented and the causes are obvious.
Why is it exactly that you disparage Michelle Rhee? Because she wanted to bring accountability back to the Washington, DC schools? She wanted to reward good teachers and get rid of bad ones. Is that a bad thing? She wanted teachers to work harder to bring up achievement levels in one of the(if not the) worst school districts in the country. Is that a bad thing? Taxpayers had been throwing money at the problem in the D.C. schools for years and not only was there no improvement, there was decline. Teachers getting richer and test scores going down. Sound familiar? It should. It's what is happening all over New York State right now. She was driven out by teacher's unions who masterfully manipulated public perception. That is a bad thing.
Charter schools offer nothing but the basics and they staff their schools with people who are turned down by public schools and can't find a job anywhere else. Some have been fired and charters are the only place they can get hired. Once they find a job with better pay, beni, and working conditions they leave. Many charters actually end up closing because they just can't stay organized with the constant turnover.

My children's school in CNY is not liberal. The BOE has a say in what is taught. Take this away and parents and local communities will have absolutely no voice. It will be a choice between either a far right or far left agenda and parents will be paying out of pocket.

As for Ms. Rhee I saw a PBS documentary on her reform agenda when she was chancellor of DC schools. She used merit pay as a carrot to improve schools. It failed miserably when it was discovered that principals, teachers, and kids were cheating and that the honest schools making modest progress were punished. She expected teachers to devote their entire time- evenings and weekends year round- to work. You couldn't balance teaching with being a spouse or parent. Come on now- nobody, no matter how devoted you are to your job, is willing to give up their life to work. She was drummed right out of DC and will be chased out of NY faster than she can start.
Laughable

United States

#82 Aug 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
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I'm only posting this part because you've posted using the screen name "English Teacher" - it's spelled "jealous".
Some probably are. Not all though. I would bet that more people are upset with the fact that teachers have become a protected class of worker paid by taxpayers from the time that they are first employed until the day they die. This, at a time when public education is in decline when compared with the rest of the world. It's rare to find anything close to that in the private sector. It's not jealousy as much as anger over the lack of equity in this situation. I believe it would be different if our children were leading the way. Instead many corporations have to import foreign talent because our graduates aren't up to the task.
Tell them not everyone is so "jealous" of that. Easier ways in life.
I don't know why people find this that hard to understand. Wow.

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