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Since: Feb 12

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#42 Mar 17, 2012
truth is wrote:
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That is exactly why Unions have been fighting against teacher evaluations.
Teachers would be fine with a fair evaluation system. The state will not bend on the fact that every student is different and require separate tiers based on their background.

Imagine being judged on your performance if the person you're teaching speaks no English.

Imagine being judged on teaching a specials needs person with learning disabilities to do the same work in the same time as another person.

Imagine being judged when a person doesn't care. This person is lazy, doesn't want to work. You can't fire him and if you fail him it hurts you.

Some school these areas are not a problem due to low enrollment of these types of students. But then you move into city schools and you see a dramatic increase in these numbers.

Redtail

Watertown, NY

#43 Mar 17, 2012
Lol wrote:
You people are idiots. Why so jealous of teachers? 4 yrs undergrad, 2 yr masters degree.... Yah it was so easy. All you clowns screwed around in school and never finished boo hoo.... Blame educated people who are educating your children. Hypocrites.... Quit your job and Home school your kids.... Oh wait, you can't do algebra, your english is atrocious, your a fat slob so physical education is out and you can't control your kids at home.... Yep blame the teachers cause YOUR kids are fat and u were too busy watching tv to ride a bike w them, teach them their letters, numbers or read to them... Yah blame the teachers.... You people wouldn't be able to go to work without teachers watching your rotten kids all day!
Make the school yr all yr... Pay the teachers more, I'm all for it. Sign me up.
Not for anything but the American schools are like 25th in the world, not doing a very good job with the kid ha.and reading your post wow maybe you should look for another line of work,you sound miserable.
I teach

Baldwinsville, NY

#44 Mar 17, 2012
Don't teachers pay taxes, too? Check my pay stub! The extras we get coaching, club advisers, etc., Taxes take it away! To all the whiners about teachers, if you can read this THANK A TEACHER!!! The U.S. is the only country that educates everybody, or tries to! Look it up!
I teach in Utica

United States

#45 Mar 17, 2012
Yep, I love my special ed. teaching job where most of the kids in my school get free or reduced lunch, or they don't eat! Share a coat or bed in winter, no father in the home, gramma raising them. No parents at sporting events, teacher meetings, concerts, etc. 18 yr.olds with a 3rd grade reading level, refugees that don't speak English, but have to take a Regents exam in English! Yes we make too much! Just like first responders, where they have to remove a toddler, or infant that died in a fire! Or scrape a suicides brain off a wall! Or stop a car for a violation not knowing what to expect. Ask Tommy Lindsey. Or Joseph Corr. Or a retired cop that can't take their kids to the mall because they see the dirtbag criminals that they dealt with. Yes, we make too much money. I guess the things we deal with make our jobs real cushy!

KY WELLER
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#46 Mar 17, 2012
I teach in Utica wrote:
Yep, I love my special ed. teaching job where most of the kids in my school get free or reduced lunch, or they don't eat! Share a coat or bed in winter, no father in the home, gramma raising them. No parents at sporting events, teacher meetings, concerts, etc. 18 yr.olds with a 3rd grade reading level, refugees that don't speak English, but have to take a Regents exam in English! Yes we make too much! Just like first responders, where they have to remove a toddler, or infant that died in a fire! Or scrape a suicides brain off a wall! Or stop a car for a violation not knowing what to expect. Ask Tommy Lindsey. Or Joseph Corr. Or a retired cop that can't take their kids to the mall because they see the dirtbag criminals that they dealt with. Yes, we make too much money. I guess the things we deal with make our jobs real cushy!
Cry me a river...

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Since: Jul 09

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#47 Mar 17, 2012
Redtail wrote:
<quoted text>Not for anything but the American schools are like 25th in the world, not doing a very good job with the kid ha.and reading your post wow maybe you should look for another line of work,you sound miserable.
The problem is not with the teachers, it's with the parents. Parents don't want to be the disciplinarian and instead try to be friends with their kids. The result is what we have today. However no politician is dumb enough to tell people that their parenting skills suck. Instead they blame the teachers and that they make too much.

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Since: Jul 09

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#48 Mar 18, 2012
Redtail

Watertown, NY

#49 Mar 18, 2012
NYGunman wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is not with the teachers, it's with the parents. Parents don't want to be the disciplinarian and instead try to be friends with their kids. The result is what we have today. However no politician is dumb enough to tell people that their parenting skills suck. Instead they blame the teachers and that they make too much.
The parents are not the teacher getting paid to teach. I do think the parents have a role in bring there kids up to be respectful,honest,loving,and values. Also to insure there kids do the homework that was sent home and study. Let's be clear it's the teachers job to TEACH are you kidding me blaming the parents. I hope your not a teacher with that attitude.

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Since: Jul 09

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#50 Mar 18, 2012
Redtail wrote:
<quoted text>The parents are not the teacher getting paid to teach. I do think the parents have a role in bring there kids up to be respectful,honest,loving,and values. Also to insure there kids do the homework that was sent home and study. Let's be clear it's the teachers job to TEACH are you kidding me blaming the parents. I hope your not a teacher with that attitude.
Teachers also have their hands tied more then ever. In the old days in America and now in other countries, if a kid behaved the way they do in America they would be punished at school AND at home by mom AND when dad got home. Now days parents coddle their little monsters and blame teachers.

Parents also don't expect much from their kids. Parents in America will spend $1000s on sports related equipment and licensed clothing yet balk when a teacher asks them to buy a $20 math program for the home computer or other supplies. It's a cultural thing.

No I am not a teacher. They don't get paid enough for what they do. They truly must have a desire to teach and reach impressionable minds to do what they do for so little pay and the b.s. they have to put up with.
I teach in Utica

Worcester, MA

#52 Mar 19, 2012
My students would chew you up and spit you out!
The Mizer

Weedsport, NY

#53 Mar 19, 2012
Throw them all in a 401K Plan!
Asking

Raleigh, NC

#54 Mar 20, 2012
None of this at the heart of the matter is about liking teachers or not or commenting on the job they do or don't do.

It's about the taxpaying public's ability to pay the ever increasing tax burden that results from the teacher and adminstrator contracts. I often wonder who it is sitting on the taxpayers side of the table and granting these. They are certainly not representing the majority interest of the taxpayers.

As with other public sector union benefits, teacher/administrator benefits to the taxpaying public are overly generous especially in retirement. This is even more true in financially trying times like these when private sector taxpayers who are footing the bill are having to tighten their belts and do with less. Nowhere outside the public sector are you likely to find pensions that go on forever and healthcare benefits in retirement. Well, maybe in the union shops like GM where the taxpayers had to provide a bailout.

Since it's the taxpayers footing the bill for teacher/administrator compensation isn't it they who should have a say? This isn't personal. Most realize that teachers perfom a very important function that is at times difficult. But that's the way it is for everyone, everywhere. Most of us do jobs that we aren't 100% in love with and meet with frustration on a fairly regular basis. Is that frustration a basis for over compensation?

There's an old Drew Carey joke that goes like this:

“Frustrated with your job? Join the club. It's called everybody! We meet at the bar.”

Level 5

Since: Jul 09

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#55 Mar 20, 2012
Asking wrote:
None of this at the heart of the matter is about liking teachers or not or commenting on the job they do or don't do.
It's about the taxpaying public's ability to pay the ever increasing tax burden that results from the teacher and adminstrator contracts. I often wonder who it is sitting on the taxpayers side of the table and granting these. They are certainly not representing the majority interest of the taxpayers.
As with other public sector union benefits, teacher/administrator benefits to the taxpaying public are overly generous especially in retirement. This is even more true in financially trying times like these when private sector taxpayers who are footing the bill are having to tighten their belts and do with less. Nowhere outside the public sector are you likely to find pensions that go on forever and healthcare benefits in retirement. Well, maybe in the union shops like GM where the taxpayers had to provide a bailout.
Since it's the taxpayers footing the bill for teacher/administrator compensation isn't it they who should have a say? This isn't personal. Most realize that teachers perfom a very important function that is at times difficult. But that's the way it is for everyone, everywhere. Most of us do jobs that we aren't 100% in love with and meet with frustration on a fairly regular basis. Is that frustration a basis for over compensation?
There's an old Drew Carey joke that goes like this:
“Frustrated with your job? Join the club. It's called everybody! We meet at the bar.”
The amount spent on schools is subsidised by NYS Lotto.(Another state Agency that is self sufficient. ;)) Our schools are actually a value.

Why don't you focus on the many wars going on? That burns up a lot more money than education.

Actually I know why you don't focus on the REAL burdens, your masters approve of wars because it makes them money.
LOL

Nyack, NY

#56 Mar 23, 2012
George wrote:
Right teachers are the hardest workers I have ever seen. if they think they are that great get rid of the unions and tenure and see how long they would last is a real setting. Any teacher who can not correct their papers in scholls is doing something wrong- it is not like they teach non stop all day long.
Maybe if you had good teachers you would be able to spell school!!!

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Since: Nov 10

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#57 Mar 23, 2012
Redtail wrote:
<quoted text>The parents are not the teacher getting paid to teach. I do think the parents have a role in bring there kids up to be respectful,honest,loving,and values. Also to insure there kids do the homework that was sent home and study. Let's be clear it's the teachers job to TEACH are you kidding me blaming the parents. I hope your not a teacher with that attitude.
You are right that it is a teacher’s job to teach but they are only responsible to teach your kids the basics of education. They are not responsible to teach them respect, manners, discipline, self-control, etc… That is your job as a parent. Children for the most part emulate their parents. If education is not a priority for the parents it won’t be for their kids either. If parents don’t respect authority or teachers, neither will their kids. This is where parents become teachers.
Asking

Raleigh, NC

#58 Mar 23, 2012
NYGunman wrote:
<quoted text>The amount spent on schools is subsidised by NYS Lotto.(Another state Agency that is self sufficient. ;)) Our schools are actually a value.
Why don't you focus on the many wars going on? That burns up a lot more money than education.
Actually I know why you don't focus on the REAL burdens, your masters approve of wars because it makes them money.
The New York Lottery funds about 15% of the total bill. With the rising cost of the retirement system projections show that by the 2015-16 school year, the amount that the lottery is kicking in won't even cover the mandated contribution to the teacher's retirement system.

"the Lottery generated $3.05 billion in profit from $7.86 billion in sales and net win. All of the Lottery’s profit goes to funding K-12 education in New York State. The Lottery’s fiscal year 2010-11 earnings represent over 15 percent of total state aid to local school districts."
From:
http://nylottery.ny.gov/wps/portal...

and

"Taxpayer contributions to NYSTRS could more than quadruple, rising from about $900 million as of 2010-11 to about $4.5 billion by 2015-16. The projected increase is equivalent to 18 percent of current school property tax levies.
State and local employer contributions to NYSLRS will more than double over the next five years, adding nearly $4 billion to annual taxpayer costs even if most opt to convert a portion of their higher pension bills into IOUs that won’t be paid off until the 2020s"
From:
http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2...

I've read though the New York Lottery's financials. What's available anyway. The one thing I don't see anywhere as a line item is the salary and benefits of those who work for the lottery. I'm not saying they don't just that I haven't seen it anywhere. Do you have something that shows that? If they are using the "Chief Russ Brooks Ambulance Service Method of Accounting" then they wouldn't really be self sustaining then would they?

By the way. I don't agree with our involvement in the war(s) but I do believe that is a constitutional requirement of the federal government to provide for the security of our country. On the other hand, in all of the times that I've read the constitution I've never seen the word education or any mention of the federal government's responsibility to provide it or pay for it. Education is a state matter. You do realize that there was no US Dept of Education for our first 200 years right? It was a creation of President Carter in the late 70's. It's one of the departments that a few of the Republican presidential hopefuls say they will shut down if elected.
How about this

Waterville, NY

#59 Mar 23, 2012
dumbum wrote:
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Still, you are wrong. You are forgetting to include the hours they spend at home correcting tests, looking over homework assignments, preparing material for the next day, week, and all the rest of the work they do outside the classroom.
You may not think they work as hard as you do at Arby's, but they do.
Stop you are making my heart crack, You work 10 months did you take out christmas, winter and spring break, plus snow days, other holidays and the "Sick" days that are taken. Plus you can work another job all summer if you want to.

Give me a break. NOt saying the job isn't difficult you have to put up with kids and i am sure parents., but give me a break.
Educator

Utica, NY

#60 Aug 17, 2013
I love my Cadillac Pension Plan!!!!
Carla

Utica, NY

#61 Jul 13, 2014
Lucrative Pensions serve as an incentive to reward teachers for their work.
Truth

Utica, NY

#62 Jul 16, 2014
Overlay teacher salary and benefit increases with the decline in education, U.S. vs. the world. The decline, when compared with the rest of the world started when teachers were granted collective bargaining rights and has accelerated since.

Taxpayers have allowed teachers to become a special class of public employees immune from what is happening economically in the rest of the country.

There have always been ESL children. There have always been parents who don't care about education and use the public schools as nothing more than a babysitter. There have always been grades. These are not new developments. Teachers use them as excuses as though they are.

It's time to decertify all public sector unions but especially the public school teacher and administrator unions. Time for the salary and benefit structure to more accurately reflect what is going on in the larger world.

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