Can't Sue Oneida Nation

Can't Sue Oneida Nation

Posted in the Utica Forum

Rendezvous

Syracuse, NY

#1 Jul 13, 2009
I understand that you cannot sue the Oneida Nation. So not only don't they pay taxes, but I would assume they also don't need to have liability coverage. Please, if this is true, and I have every reason to believe the person who told me this, do not get hurt on Indian property. Even if it is something where the nation was negligent, you can’t sue them. What a deal. What a nice reduction in the cost of doing business that every other business has to absorb. I find it hard to believe that just because they are an indigenous nation people can't sue them if they are injured due to the Nations negligence.

Does anyone know if they have a self-insurance program to benefit people hurt on their property due to their negligence? I'm being facetious, but who knows, they might.
chiefGTFO

United States

#2 Jul 13, 2009
Keep your sue crazy ass of their land if you have a problem with it.
sue

Oneida, NY

#4 Jul 13, 2009
They can sue you but you can't sue them. How's that one?
Pale Face

New York, NY

#5 Jul 13, 2009
You just want to scam a way to get the money back you blew gambling.....get a life!
Rendezvous

Syracuse, NY

#7 Jul 13, 2009
Think what you like but it has nothing to do with me and I haven’t gambled at the Turning Stone in probably two years. Not that I would completely stop and refuse to go if friends wanted head out there, but I’d rather not go based on principle. And I love to shoot craps and think it’s the base game in the house.

The Indians, or I should say Halbritter and his crew, need to stop picking and choosing what rules are good for them and disregarding the rest. They need to pay their taxes, especially the sales taxes that they are supposed to charge non-Indians. That was already settled in court, yet they get away with it. OH wait, don’t they charge a tax now…and keep it. How friggin insulting. It’s a price increase, not a tax.

I love when the politicians talk about “parity” to level the playing field and make it a little fairer for local, non-Indian businesses. WHAT A STUPID JOKE that is. Now it’s the politicians insulting us.

Yea…..I guess Ray is a hell of a businessman: pays no axes, a large percentage of the employees pay is tips, can’t be sued (thus he is probably saving a lot on his insurance costs, but that’s just an assumption) and runs a gambling enterprise. If you can’t make money doing that, you don’t belong in business. Along with that, NY State allows him to have a practical monopoly. Hell, let me do that and I’d be happy to pay all of NY’s taxes. And in case you don’t know, it takes a constitutional amendment to change the gambling laws to allow operating a casino if you’re not a tribe. Legislation was proposed to do this several years ago (and it must go on the ballot for three years and be approved by the voters to take effect). The bill never made it out of committee. I wonder whose money prevented that from happening. If you think the Oneidas and Atlantic City casinos, you’d probably be right.

So you see, this has nothing with me wanting to sue anybody. But I do know of a case where a person was seriously hurt on Indian property where the nation would have been held liable if it ever went to court (in fact, the problem was actually fixed to eliminate the hazardous situation) and the person it happened to had no recourse against them. I’m sure they had insurance, but that’s not the point. What if they didn’t have insurance? Wouldn’t they still have to be treated? Then all of us have to pick up that tab in higher insurance costs. Want to support the Indians now…..when they make hundreds of millions a year……tax free?

How about putting land into trust?? Remember when Halbritter tried to buy voters off by saying he had a couple of businesses that he was going to bring to the area? Yea, sure, and put them on Indian Territory…..where they don’t have to pay any NY taxes. What a deal for NY taxpayers. Who knows, maybe you wouldn’t have been able to sue the businesses either and they were not Indian owned.
Incorrect

Jamesville, NY

#8 Jul 13, 2009
You can sue them, and they do have insurance.. But they have plenty of moeny to fight.. Remember its like suiung a country
Native American

Syracuse, NY

#10 Jul 13, 2009
Get back to Caucasia you Euro-trash freaks!
Westmo

Fayetteville, NY

#13 Jul 13, 2009
Rendezvous wrote:
I understand that you cannot sue the Oneida Nation. So not only don't they pay taxes, but I would assume they also don't need to have liability coverage. Please, if this is true, and I have every reason to believe the person who told me this, do not get hurt on Indian property. Even if it is something where the nation was negligent, you can’t sue them. What a deal. What a nice reduction in the cost of doing business that every other business has to absorb. I find it hard to believe that just because they are an indigenous nation people can't sue them if they are injured due to the Nations negligence.
Does anyone know if they have a self-insurance program to benefit people hurt on their property due to their negligence? I'm being facetious, but who knows, they might.
The OIN has insurance I've dealt with it in my work. Also, you can file claim on them it's a somewhat different approach. These are responsible people not like the people who we have working in our local governments you know.
Rendezvous

Clayton, NY

#14 Jul 13, 2009
Incorrect wrote:
You can sue them, and they do have insurance.. But they have plenty of moeny to fight.. Remember its like suiung a country
That is what I thought, but I was told first hand that they can't be sued. Perhaps that is what they meant, that it is practically impossible to successfully sue them, but those weren't the terms that were expressed to me.
Rendezvous

Clayton, NY

#15 Jul 13, 2009
Westmo wrote:
<quoted text>The OIN has insurance I've dealt with it in my work. Also, you can file claim on them it's a somewhat different approach. These are responsible people not like the people who we have working in our local governments you know.
I will inform someone I know that there is a process to file claim against the OIN and that they do have insurance. I could be that they will not want to bother now that they have mostly recuperated. I did not pursue a discussion about why this person thought they could not be sued, but it sounded to me like they had a very good case. I do not know why they are of this opinion but being a professional person and going through a painful episode I tend to believe them or at least believe that they believe this is the case.

If you have any specific information on this process, please let me know. I will let this person make the decision as to whether or not they want to pursue it. They should at least have that option if it does exist. However, if it’s next to impossible or so expensive because they are an indigenous nation, that’s not really like having the right to sue.

But I still wish I could open a casino or even a poker parlor like they have in California.
american

Canastota, NY

#16 Jul 14, 2009
welcome to america
Rendezvous

Clayton, NY

#17 Jul 14, 2009
american wrote:
welcome to america
Funny thing is, I actually have some American Indian blood, but it is very small over all the generations now. Still, if it wasn’t for a New York Indian maiden and a Scott frontiersman, I wouldn’t be here. That being the case, maybe I can claim Indian heritage, proclaim my property a reservation and start running poker games and keep all of the profits.
natives_are_the_ problem

Canada

#18 Jun 15, 2014
chiefGTFO wrote:
Keep your sue crazy ass of their land if you have a problem with it.
Hey guess what it wasnt your land at the start either you bloody savage. Go rape your cousins some more
natives_are_the_ problem

Canada

#19 Jun 15, 2014
Native American wrote:
Get back to Caucasia you Euro-trash freaks!
Go kill your self savage....oh wait your own cuture is doing that already. Good on them. P.s. you guys wernt the originals here either

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Utica Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Chuck U Schumer 3 min Lol 11
New hartford is the new east utica 1 hr Peter sucks it 214
Harmony Speciale 1 hr Terry 39
mike lynch 1 hr Toilet Paper 55
Marino " lifeblood " comment 1 hr MayorKnowNothing 1
Cookies 2 hr Tpix Foolishness 6
News Where To Escape 'City Noise' Pollution Of Centr... 2 hr word 3
Utica Jr. Comets Sex Abuse Investigation! 3 hr DAT MY GRITZ 43
Kelly Esche 5 hr YES SIR YES SIR T... 70
How Much Does H & R Block charge To Do Your Taxes (Jan '09) 5 hr DREDLOC ROT 960

Utica Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Utica Mortgages