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The plastic fantastic

United States

#82 Feb 21, 2013
Guess they heard me.
to the private peckers

Utica, NY

#83 Feb 21, 2013
it goes back to choice. Stick your investments in your ass. The nystrs is self operating.Getting back to choice,you private peckerheads who go into the investment banking world and for whatever reason do well and start making big money quick,(off of other peoples money} thats okay! but when a government worker happens to start their career making peanuts and it takes them at least 20 years to making a decent salary,you still say nothing. Now when that same government worker hits the 30 plus year mark,on the edge of retirement who struggled a very long time to finally make a decent wage when private sector workers were scarfing on those same government workers you start crying. Listen,If you dont like it too friggin bad! Maybe you made the wrong choice for your career. You cant do anything about it now. You friggin freaks want your cake and eat it too. Now you hide behind your fruitty cape and title of super watch dog for the tax payer. Government workers pay every bit and more taxes as you fudgepacking peckerheads. Now go home and dont bring your lunch to work because someone might take it on you.
Donald Henderson

Utica, NY

#84 Feb 21, 2013
I receive a $70,000 per year Pension as a retired teacher, and quite frankly, I believe II earned it!!!!
henry

Windsor, CT

#85 Feb 21, 2013
your istening to the republican cons too much. This country isnt going anywhere bad. We dont have to pay the chinese if we dont want to . We can tell them to shove the debt we owe them . What they gonna do . Start a war with us. Ha We dont need anyone . We now prouce mostof our energy. We dont need the rest of the world . We can go independent again and produce everything we need here again. That is where it oing to end up. The american people will eventually put the right politicians in power again who will put america first again and watch this ountry go/
Its Cretin

New Hartford, NY

#86 Feb 21, 2013
The plastic fantastic wrote:
"Envious" of someone who makes half or a third of what I do? Ever clear 47k after taxes for two weeks work? Couldn't make it on my OWN? You're the one who had to dance for the 70k are you serious? I don't care if you believe it or not if you're the arrogant example of the envious little squirrel that got himself a peanut no thanks. What's it like to know that some people have at 32 what you still don't have at 60? GET the fk out of there already then that was a good one!
What a..........Cretin!
Truth

Utica, NY

#87 Feb 22, 2013
proud public employee wrote:
Envious little trolls, couldnt make it on their own, have to beat up on others to feel better abput themselves. Oh well, argue all you want, believe whatever you want. The pension sytem is constitutionally protected in New York State, you'e not gonna change it posting out here. I start collecting mine very soon. I think I will move to North Carolina where there is no state tax as I dont intend to invest another dime in New York.
Again, it's not envy. If it were up to me and there were enough resources I would love to see everyone retire with the type of benefits that state wrorkers get. The truth of the situation is much different though. What it comes down to is what the taxpayers can afford. Unless you've been living under a rock you'll know that the economy has been in a tailspin. People have lost jobs, homes and economic ground. What hasn't adapted and has actually gone up is the amount the average person is taxed. You can argue that government employees pay taxes too but common sense should tell you that the only money that the government at any level has to pay its' employees comes from the private sector. The private sector isn't doing that well right now especially in this area.

The pension system is constitutionally protected. The law says that it must be 100% funded unlike other states like California who find themselves in deep trouble now because of years of underfunding. That's the law. Where the money comes from to make sure that the system is 100% funded is the taxpayer. These contributions and the retiree health benefit are the fastest rising costs and the main driver of tax increases.

You can believe what you want but:
1. The taxpayer if footing most of the bill for the pension system and always has.
2. It's not envy or hate that people feel. It comes down to what they can afford to shell out to pay public sector employees.
3. Like it or not something will have to give. This trajectory cannot be sustained.

I'd like you to answer a question if you would. If the state pension system is self sustaining then why Tier 6? Seems like if it was sustained solely by return on investment and employee contributions there would be no need.
Truth

Utica, NY

#88 Feb 22, 2013
Donald Henderson wrote:
I receive a $70,000 per year Pension as a retired teacher, and quite frankly, I believe II earned it!!!!
Donald,
You statement says everything anyone needs to know about the mindset of public sector employees who believe as you do. I just threw up in my mouth a little when I read it.
Eyes roll

United States

#89 Feb 22, 2013
henry wrote:
your istening to the republican cons too much. This country isnt going anywhere bad. We dont have to pay the chinese if we dont want to . We can tell them to shove the debt we owe them . What they gonna do . Start a war with us. Ha We dont need anyone . We now prouce mostof our energy. We dont need the rest of the world . We can go independent again and produce everything we need here again. That is where it oing to end up. The american people will eventually put the right politicians in power again who will put america first again and watch this ountry go/
Not paying debts? We make all our own energy do we? I think this is a good example of a loony lefty here, not even on the same page as reality.
Its Cretin

New Hartford, NY

#90 Feb 22, 2013
Eyes roll wrote:
<quoted text>Not paying debts? We make all our own energy do we? I think this is a good example of a loony lefty here, not even on the same page as reality.
Cretin baby!
Truth

Utica, NY

#91 Feb 22, 2013
to the private peckers wrote:
it goes back to choice. Stick your investments in your ass. The nystrs is self operating.Getting back to choice,you private peckerheads who go into the investment banking world and for whatever reason do well and start making big money quick,(off of other peoples money} thats okay! but when a government worker happens to start their career making peanuts and it takes them at least 20 years to making a decent salary,you still say nothing. Now when that same government worker hits the 30 plus year mark,on the edge of retirement who struggled a very long time to finally make a decent wage when private sector workers were scarfing on those same government workers you start crying. Listen,If you dont like it too friggin bad! Maybe you made the wrong choice for your career. You cant do anything about it now. You friggin freaks want your cake and eat it too. Now you hide behind your fruitty cape and title of super watch dog for the tax payer. Government workers pay every bit and more taxes as you fudgepacking peckerheads. Now go home and dont bring your lunch to work because someone might take it on you.
What a finely tuned response. Your intelligence shows in the name calling and foul language that is the hallmark of an ignorant, uneducated statement. It's also the sign of a bully with a weak, self-serving opinion.

You said " The nystrs is self operating". Who told you this? Ask yourself how you know this. The truth is that this statement is entirely untrue an that is easily proven. Every penny you make and every penny you will recieve in reitirement benefits came from taxpayers. Mostly private sector taxpayers.

The myth about public sector workers making less that private sector workers is also untrue. It used to be true but thanks to the power of the unions and apprehensive politicians who love that union support, it's not true anymore.
Eyes roll

United States

#92 Feb 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
What a finely tuned response. Your intelligence shows in the name calling and foul language that is the hallmark of an ignorant, uneducated statement. It's also the sign of a bully with a weak, self-serving opinion.
You said " The nystrs is self operating". Who told you this? Ask yourself how you know this. The truth is that this statement is entirely untrue an that is easily proven. Every penny you make and every penny you will recieve in reitirement benefits came from taxpayers. Mostly private sector taxpayers.
The myth about public sector workers making less that private sector workers is also untrue. It used to be true but thanks to the power of the unions and apprehensive politicians who love that union support, it's not true anymore.
Don't pop their delusional bubble. Let the wall his big big payday hits pop it for him. All this comes back to pragmatism. If you plan and work for it not only will you still get what you want in America you'll get it in spades. To me it's incredible people like that still exist up there. That's why they call NYS a "Death Spiral" state because more people are collecting government paychecks and welfare than than there are people working in NYS.
And as you noted, the utter idiocy and anger, and even vile rants from the defenders of the Cut of Public Safety do wonders to underline their case for welfare. Pubic sector does not PRODUCE the wealth they eat it, no matter what the angry venting parasite whineasses and illiterates claim. The numbers don't lie.
face facts

New York, NY

#93 Feb 22, 2013
Eyes roll wrote:
<quoted text>Pubic sector does not PRODUCE the wealth they eat it, no matter what the angry venting parasite whineasses and illiterates claim. The numbers don't lie.
Exactly. The public sector relies on the private sector for tax revenues. If there was no private sector, then we'd be talking about straight out socialism as everybody would be on the government dole.

It is not a matter of hatred, jealousy, envy or any other misnomer regarding the public sector. It is simple math and economics. The public sector cannot generate revenues without having a tax base and cannot have a tax base without private sector. NYS takes in more Federal dollars than it pays back to the feds. This means NYS subsidizes its overspending on federal dollars, meaning other states help foot the bill. And it is not getting any better.
Eyes roll

United States

#94 Feb 22, 2013
"A taker is someone who draws money from the government, as an employee, pensioner or welfare recipient. A maker is someone gainfully employed in the private sector."
Its Cretin

New Hartford, NY

#95 Feb 22, 2013
Eyes roll wrote:
"A taker is someone who draws money from the government, as an employee, pensioner or welfare recipient. A maker is someone gainfully employed in the private sector."
A taker is..........Cretin!
face facts

New York, NY

#96 Feb 22, 2013
Its Cretin wrote:
<quoted text>
A taker is..........Cretin!
Then, by definition, public sector employees are cretin.
Comeonnn

Orlando, FL

#97 Feb 22, 2013
face facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. The public sector relies on the private sector for tax revenues. If there was no private sector, then we'd be talking about straight out socialism as everybody would be on the government dole.
It is not a matter of hatred, jealousy, envy or any other misnomer regarding the public sector. It is simple math and economics. The public sector cannot generate revenues without having a tax base and cannot have a tax base without private sector. NYS takes in more Federal dollars than it pays back to the feds. This means NYS subsidizes its overspending on federal dollars, meaning other states help foot the bill. And it is not getting any better.
your correct, and you forget 2 mention that most of the retired public sector retired people start up a landscape or construction company after there 20 years and out, taking jobs from the people that are paying there retirement. They get there cake and eat it as well. But in time they will all loss there pension because it will go bust. They think its protected but think again
Old man

Syracuse, NY

#98 Feb 22, 2013
Either you are a one percenter or a clueless citizen who thinks the Koch Bros, the Wall Streeters, the CEOs earned their money. They stole it from you, dummy, and you're dumping on public employees? Move out of mom's cellar and see the light, brother. We all make choices and I earned my pension trying to teach the clueless like you.
Eyes roll wrote:
"A taker is someone who draws money from the government, as an employee, pensioner or welfare recipient. A maker is someone gainfully employed in the private sector."
fat tax sponge

New York, NY

#99 Feb 22, 2013
Old man wrote:
I earned my pension trying to teach the clueless like you.
<quoted text>
now we know why the educational system is so screwed up in this country. Leeches like you who ripped off the taxpayers and cheated their kids out of a good education. Proud of your entitled self?
Truth

Utica, NY

#100 Feb 22, 2013
Old man wrote:
Either you are a one percenter or a clueless citizen who thinks the Koch Bros, the Wall Streeters, the CEOs earned their money. They stole it from you, dummy, and you're dumping on public employees? Move out of mom's cellar and see the light, brother. We all make choices and I earned my pension trying to teach the clueless like you.
<quoted text>
Sounds like you've been watching a lot of MSNBC.

Do you understand what New York State public pensions are doing? They are not the only thing but the escalating costs of public sector pensions and healthcare are contributing greatly to New York being ranked the number one business unfriendly state in the country. Who is going to pay for your pension and the pensions of current workers when there are no meaningful private sector businesses left in New York?

I read an article recently about West Palm Beach, FL actively pursuing hedge funds and other financial institutions to move there. In today's electronic age these companies don't really need the physical presence on Wall Street that they once did. Many are making the move. What happens when they leave? We saw how heavily the pension system along with the rest of New York State relied on the taxes paid by many of these institutions on the 2008 downturn.

Do you understand or accept any of this?
fat tax sponge

New York, NY

#101 Feb 22, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
In today's electronic age these companies don't really need the physical presence on Wall Street that they once did. Many are making the move.
Wall Street is merely just a physical symbol of our country's financial system. A monument. So much more goes on outside of Wall Street as you point out.

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