Public Employees Get Cadillac Pensions?
The Rock

Hamilton, NY

#42 Feb 20, 2013
Heather knows wrote:
<quoted text>Huhh? Ummm idiot Medicaid is not welfare people sitting around like you said. Aren't you so proud of your morass?
Actually welfare is part of Medicaid.
I wish some people got educated before opening their traps.
college idiot at top

Fayetteville, NY

#43 Feb 20, 2013
Medicaid’s long term care benefit is already supposed to be means-tested—so, yes, it is a welfare program of sorts.

Welfare reform opens Medicaid to millions.
college idiot at top

Fayetteville, NY

#44 Feb 20, 2013
Heather knows wrote:
<quoted text>Huhh? Ummm idiot Medicaid is not welfare people sitting around like you said. Aren't you so proud of your morass?
Ask MVCC for a refund, you have a learning Disability in writing Comprehension.

( not welfare people sitting around like you said )

You're pathetic.
ques

Fayetteville, NY

#45 Feb 20, 2013
What's "idiot medicaid", is this a new form. She is the stupidest person on topix.
Dream on

United States

#47 Feb 20, 2013
The Rock wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually welfare is part of Medicaid.
I wish some people got educated before opening their traps.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Now back to the 65% of the taxes that go to so called public safety.
Proud Public Employee

Glenfield, NY

#48 Feb 20, 2013
What a bunch of envious, whiney morons we have here, who lacked the ambition and insight to get a quality job early in life and now regret it. I was offered a pension but with lower pay for what I do when I was hired. I could have had a similar job in the private sector that would have paid more but had no pension. But, I had to first go to college and spend tens of thousands of dollars to get an education which qualified me for my liscence, which then qualified me to take a test. I then scored high enough on the test to get hired; no one just gave me a free job. I have since spent over 30 years taking care of mentally ill people that no one else would bother with. I and my coworkers have gone to work every day and put up with being assaulted, threatened, and degraded as a routine part of our work. Should we do this for free? Of course not; it's laughable anyone would suggest that. Can just anyone do this kind of work? Not if you care about how well a person is treated. You must be very fortunate to have no mental illness or physical disability in your family. If you did you would understand that it takes much patience and skill to do this work while treating people humanely. Cuomo's proposal for pension changes will never succeed because the pension fund is protected by the state constitution and would require a re-write to change it. Mayors across the state are rejecting it as the fraudulent shell game that it is. Not going to happen. Everyone here had the same choices where you chose to work. I have worked for the public for years and deserve the pension I was promised, in exchange for better pay I could have had if I worked elsewhere. Don't like it? Too bad you didn't work hard, get educated, and get a better job years ago... Public employees are not the only people earning pensions by the way. Many private corporations also offer them. The New York State Employees Retirement system is fully funded and free standing on its own investments. The taxpayer does not pay into it. These are facts and everything else said here is just bullshit from the usual loudmouth know-it-alls out here. Just envious little people who did not plan their lives well...
ques

Fayetteville, NY

#49 Feb 20, 2013
Dream on wrote:
<quoted text>You really have no idea what you are talking about. Now back to the 65% of the taxes that go to so called public safety.
You're a close second to head idiot, congrats. NYS spending.

Medicaid-20%

Welfare/ food- 11%

Security- 21

Interest on debt- 8

SSI- 21

Benefits for retirees- 6

Education- 2

all other - 6

Research- 2

transportation- 3



Your family and you along with the rest of the welfare people cost the state 31% time to get rid of the likes of your kind.
wtf

Fayetteville, NY

#50 Feb 20, 2013
Heather knows wrote:
<quoted text>Huhh? Ummm idiot Medicaid is not welfare people sitting around like you said. Aren't you so proud of your morass?
You can't even think, go back to kindergarten. Doesn't even make sense.

Wow, Medicaid is not welfare people sitting around like you said.
sick of it

Utica, NY

#51 Feb 20, 2013
Proud Public Employee wrote:
What a bunch of envious, whiney morons we have here, who lacked the ambition and insight to get a quality job early in life and now regret it. I was offered a pension but with lower pay for what I do when I was hired. I could have had a similar job in the private sector that would have paid more but had no pension. But, I had to first go to college and spend tens of thousands of dollars to get an education which qualified me for my liscence, which then qualified me to take a test. I then scored high enough on the test to get hired; no one just gave me a free job. I have since spent over 30 years taking care of mentally ill people that no one else would bother with. I and my coworkers have gone to work every day and put up with being assaulted, threatened, and degraded as a routine part of our work. Should we do this for free? Of course not; it's laughable anyone would suggest that. Can just anyone do this kind of work? Not if you care about how well a person is treated. You must be very fortunate to have no mental illness or physical disability in your family. If you did you would understand that it takes much patience and skill to do this work while treating people humanely. Cuomo's proposal for pension changes will never succeed because the pension fund is protected by the state constitution and would require a re-write to change it. Mayors across the state are rejecting it as the fraudulent shell game that it is. Not going to happen. Everyone here had the same choices where you chose to work. I have worked for the public for years and deserve the pension I was promised, in exchange for better pay I could have had if I worked elsewhere. Don't like it? Too bad you didn't work hard, get educated, and get a better job years ago... Public employees are not the only people earning pensions by the way. Many private corporations also offer them. The New York State Employees Retirement system is fully funded and free standing on its own investments. The taxpayer does not pay into it. These are facts and everything else said here is just bullshit from the usual loudmouth know-it-alls out here. Just envious little people who did not plan their lives well...
You're so wrong. Taxpayers do fund it! Read the article on what the county is expected to pay. Where do you think the money comes from? FYI most private corporations have come to grips with the fact that they can no longer afford to offer traditional defined benefit pension plans. The private sector is no longer profitable thanks to labor costs, excessive regulation, trade imbalances etc...primarily because of the idiots in government who have passed ridiculous laws while mismanaging others money and lining their own pockets with perks. Your pension is made possible thanks to me... The taxpayer. And no I don't like you. You're a parasite that feeds from the host!
NYSPC

Fayetteville, NY

#52 Feb 20, 2013
sick of it wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so wrong. Taxpayers do fund it! Read the article on what the county is expected to pay. Where do you think the money comes from? FYI most private corporations have come to grips with the fact that they can no longer afford to offer traditional defined benefit pension plans. The private sector is no longer profitable thanks to labor costs, excessive regulation, trade imbalances etc...primarily because of the idiots in government who have passed ridiculous laws while mismanaging others money and lining their own pockets with perks. Your pension is made possible thanks to me... The taxpayer. And no I don't like you. You're a parasite that feeds from the host!
Post your address and I'll send over all the mental patients and prisoners. If you don't post it then I guess you don't have the guts to do the job and will go back to stocking your shelves at walmart and not worry about them.
fred

Hartford, CT

#53 Feb 20, 2013
the reason why they have bernie bus is because the schools are to teach and not be in the bus business. As for a volenteer police ha you got to be kidding you go stick your ass out there for nothing ,,please and the crooked contractors would underbid and screw you when they get the contract and cant pay their help without hurting thrir profit and lay off men and the work quality and speed would slow. What y0u gonna do in a big storm when they cant produce results.Who you gonna cry to the mayor. Its private now, just park your ass until the next contrac.By the way you like your so called 401 k. It might be there for you or it might not.The reason why so many greedy corporations are crying is that they want bigger profits and there being squeezed by higher insurance premiums that the PRIVATE insurance companies are charging.Its all greed and too bad they blame it on the little public employee that is just trying to make it in life.
the truth is a fool

Carthage, NY

#54 Feb 21, 2013
anyone who listens to this clown needs their head examined.This friggin fountain of misinformation spends almost 24 hours a day on this forum constantly bashing all types of public employees. He quptes one sided opinions on funding and taxes salaries and benefits. Could someone please get this sleezeball a friggin job. He quotes misleading facts that in all types of public employment. This person must have really got a lot of lunches taken away from him when he was a young nerd. He acts as if he pays every public employees salary. He whines and cries at every benefit a public employee receives. Then when it comes to telling him to stop complaining and become a police officer,or fireman,or state or city worker he comes up with the same ols B.S.. He is on the front line of teacher bashing. But changes the subject if someone tells him to go to school and become a teacher. This person is the biggest fruit on the thread. Id laugh to see him get a smack across his face. A punch is not good with someone like him because he wouldnt wake up til the next day. But a nice smack he would feel immediately and then let history repeat itself,TAKE HIS LUNCH.
Pay my Pension

Whitesboro, NY

#55 Feb 21, 2013
Utica will be rated Junk in a month.
Common Council Voted:
Months ago they Borrowed money that they couldn't pay back.
And NOW THEY NEED MORE! Add last years tax increase to this years tax increase. What do you get?
I told you they were getting the money from the equity of your home.
This because our common councilers dont have any backbone to stand against the Public Service Unions.
Utica, the poorest city in NY, is promising pensions which residents will pay for with higher taxes year after year after year after year after year.
Soon, Utica will be a whole new kind of poor.
Thanks Rocco.
Pay my Pension

Whitesboro, NY

#56 Feb 21, 2013
These Jokers in Utica vote Against FREE VIDEO TAPING of common council, and right after they pull the curtain what do they do?

They TOOK MORE MONEY.

What happened tonight will remove Utica's ability to access the bond market and the credit market. THat is my opinion, but 4 downgrades in a year is a trend. We've only got two more levels before we have the worst rating possible.

UTICA IS DOOMED.

They didn't want you to see, but they need much more of your money, maybe all of it.

Anyone in Utica tried to sell a house lately?

Someone offered a full year of free video for common council. They spent more time trying to stop that then they did talking about the budget.


sick of it

Utica, NY

#57 Feb 21, 2013
I don't think anyone here has an issue with the value of public service versus private sector. That simply boils down to personal choice. The issue here is one of affordability. If the economy as a whole was doing well and good paying jobs were in abundance, such a topic would never be under the microscope. Unfortunately, good paying private sector jobs are hard to come by theses days. As a financial services industry expert, I can attest to the fact that defined contribution or 401k style plans where the worker bares most of the risk are not the answer. Particularly when American companies are struggling and their underlying stocks are not performing. I can cite many examples where one's basic need to provide coupled with taxes makes it virtually impossible to save/ invest anything meaningful. Nowadays, one million dollars at 5% a year ($50,000) rarely cuts it after taxes. Sadly, most private sector folks will never even have that much accumulated. Here in CNY, a 401k plan with $250,000 or more is very uncommon. How many jobs exist in the private sector where a worker has the luxury of affording to set aside $17,500 a year in contributions? It's simply not happening for the most part. Yet a public servant with 20 plus years is given that same pension equivalent to the one million dollars or more courtesy of the taxpayers while he/she bares no investment risk. Who is going to be left to pay these tax burdens once you destroy the middle class and private sector? No one! Blame exists everywhere. It's not fair to blame those in public service for taking those jobs as much as its really about the unions being insensitive to the plight of everyone else. In my opinion, the unions have failed to educate their faithful on basic economics. Instead, they continue to advocate the notion of entitlement. Herein, is where one of many real problems exist. It's something the far left will never get. As long as they control government, they will continue to erode our freedoms. On the other hand, the Lilly white far right played their inside corporate games for years while reaping the benefits. Everything has been done at the expense of the American people. It's not fair to blame each other here. If anything, blame our law makers for failed policies and poor decision making at the general publics overall expense. You all have valid points and need to realize, we have become pawns on both sides of the aisle in a much bigger game than we all realize. At this pace, a civil war is inevitable. The government knows this and is taking steps to quell civil disobedience. Recent purchases by the DHS of hollow point bullets are for anything but training exercises. Calling the Constitution outdated parchment and trampling over ones basic civil liberties is exactly what's happening. America is changing. Wake up people and stop the infighting. Your in hear debating the symptoms of failed policies rather than looking at the root cause- domestic traitors or terrorists within our own government. They are hard at work finding ways to make it anything but peaceful amongst us all. Wake up America!
big loser

Utica, NY

#58 Feb 21, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
What's up with this?
You should have finished school and learned something instead of dropping out and being a bum, now you work at fastrac cleaning toliets for min wage, dont be jealous just because you are a failure in life.
Wrong

United States

#59 Feb 21, 2013
ques wrote:
<quoted text> You're a close second to head idiot, congrats. NYS spending.
Medicaid-20%
Welfare/ food- 11%
Security- 21
Interest on debt- 8
SSI- 21
Benefits for retirees- 6
Education- 2
all other - 6
Research- 2
transportation- 3
Your family and you along with the rest of the welfare people cost the state 31% time to get rid of the likes of your kind.
LOL! Wronggggggg! 65% goes to phony public safety pretenders. Could you be a little more winy or act like I care? Either way it's not my problem I don't live in NY and pay the retard show so it's not skin off my back what lies you have to blow in order to have self respect. You're all welfare to me. Don't forget it.
Wrong

United States

#60 Feb 21, 2013
big loser wrote:
<quoted text>You should have finished school and learned something instead of dropping out and being a bum, now you work at fastrac cleaning toliets for min wage, dont be jealous just because you are a failure in life.
Nobody outside utica is jealous of you retard stuck IN utica no matter how good it makes your childish havenot upstate ass to pretend and imagine otherwise. Save it, there's no contest that's why people move away from there and laugh at you for thinking it's "a life" no matter what you pretend. Now go imagine you're a successful billionaire public servant. Freeze dried idiot, at least "most people" can spell toilet so we can see who's NOT being paid much for their brains! LMAO!
Guest

Carthage, NY

#61 Feb 21, 2013
sick of it wrote:
I don't think anyone here has an issue with the value of public service versus private sector. That simply boils down to personal choice. The issue here is one of affordability. If the economy as a whole was doing well and good paying jobs were in abundance, such a topic would never be under the microscope. Unfortunately, good paying private sector jobs are hard to come by theses days. As a financial services industry expert, I can attest to the fact that defined contribution or 401k style plans where the worker bares most of the risk are not the answer. Particularly when American companies are struggling and their underlying stocks are not performing. I can cite many examples where one's basic need to provide coupled with taxes makes it virtually impossible to save/ invest anything meaningful. Nowadays, one million dollars at 5% a year ($50,000) rarely cuts it after taxes. Sadly, most private sector folks will never even have that much accumulated. Here in CNY, a 401k plan with $250,000 or more is very uncommon. How many jobs exist in the private sector where a worker has the luxury of affording to set aside $17,500 a year in contributions? It's simply not happening for the most part. Yet a public servant with 20 plus years is given that same pension equivalent to the one million dollars or more courtesy of the taxpayers while he/she bares no investment risk. Who is going to be left to pay these tax burdens once you destroy the middle class and private sector? No one! Blame exists everywhere. It's not fair to blame those in public service for taking those jobs as much as its really about the unions being insensitive to the plight of everyone else. In my opinion, the unions have failed to educate their faithful on basic economics. Instead, they continue to advocate the notion of entitlement. Herein, is where one of many real problems exist. It's something the far left will never get. As long as they control government, they will continue to erode our freedoms. On the other hand, the Lilly white far right played their inside corporate games for years while reaping the benefits. Everything has been done at the expense of the American people. It's not fair to blame each other here. If anything, blame our law makers for failed policies and poor decision making at the general publics overall expense. You all have valid points and need to realize, we have become pawns on both sides of the aisle in a much bigger game than we all realize. At this pace, a civil war is inevitable. The government knows this and is taking steps to quell civil disobedience. Recent purchases by the DHS of hollow point bullets are for anything but training exercises. Calling the Constitution outdated parchment and trampling over ones basic civil liberties is exactly what's happening. America is changing. Wake up people and stop the infighting. Your in hear debating the symptoms of failed policies rather than looking at the root cause- domestic traitors or terrorists within our own government. They are hard at work finding ways to make it anything but peaceful amongst us all. Wake up America!
. Explain to these good folks what's going to happen when our fiat money goes belly up.
Truth

Utica, NY

#62 Feb 21, 2013
Lloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
i know my union just took 3 ZEROS for raises so anyone who thinks we dont deserve our pensions we paid for and invested can Pis* up a rope our pension makes billions the state has been trying to dip into it for years! You people had the same opertunities to take the jobs we have we just got off our asses and took a civil service exam and passed some tests and BAM we got a state job, i bet you guys that are complaining are collecting off the system when you should be working....know the facts before you open your mouth!
Lloyd,
If it was you and your public sector co-workers that fully funded the pension system then no one would care about it. Most would probably say "good for you". That isn't the case though. The truth is that your contributions play only a small part in the health of the system. It is taxpayer dollars, private sector taxpayer dollars, that ensures the future of that system. In economic times like these when no one including the pension fund is able to make much return on investment, it is the taxpayer who makes up the difference between the projections for what is needed to perpetuate the fund and the actual return on investment.

You need to do a little research about how the pension fund works and how it is funded. Something besides your union newsletter I mean. I guarantee that if you were to do that you would understand why people are disguted. It's not envy. It's the facts that make this situation ridiculous.

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