People leaving CNY/Albany and why.

People leaving CNY/Albany and why.

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Larry Handiman

Gary, IN

#1 Feb 18, 2014
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/news/2014/0...

New jobs in Albany, but more people still moving out than in
Tom Tama, vice president of Liedkie Moving & Storage in Rotterdam, NY said the trend of people moving out of the Capital Region faster than people moving in is driven by high taxes and onerous government regulations.

All those new technology jobs and investment in the Capital Region make Albany the envy of upstate New York, but they haven't changed one basic fact: more people continue to move out of the area than move in.

Chalk it up to aging Baby Boomers, high taxes, and, of course, winter weather.

The long-term migration pattern was evident again in 2013, based on the number of "outbound" versus "inbound" shipments handled by movers.

There were 1,598 outbound shipments from the Albany metro, compared to 1,143 inbound shipments, according to the American Moving & Storage Association, a Washington, DC-based trade group that tracks major van lines.

The gap between outbound and inbound widened in 2013 compared to the previous three years, but was considerably narrower than in 2009, during the recession.

The trade association provided figures to Albany Business Review going back to 2007. While the gap between outbound and inbound varies annually, there is one constant: More moving vans are driving away from the Capital Region than are driving to it.

This is not a new phenomenon. Tom Tama, vice president at Liedkie Moving & Storage in Rotterdam, said itís been this way for 30 years or more.

The question is: why aren't the trends changing, given the billions of dollars in recent expansions, investment and hiring at General Electric Co., GlobalFoundries, College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering at University at Albany and elsewhere?

Rocky Ferraro, executive director at Capital District Regional Planning Commission, said one reason is the wave of retirees, and others, continuing to move south to avoid harsh winters (though many couldn't escape it this season).

Internal Revenue Service data analyzed by the regional planning commission show the out-migration is primarily to Florida and the Carolinas, Ferraro said.

"Those numbers are only going to increase in terms of the Baby Boom population," Ferraro said.

Tama pointed to some other usual suspects: high taxes and onerous government regulations hurting businesses and individuals.

"You see ads on TV saying New York is business friendly," Tama said, and he made a reference to the state's new Startup-NY program that waves taxes for up to 10 years for some new companies that move into the state.

Liedkie has been doing business in the region since 1917. And Tama said his company, like many other businesses, feel the pressure of doing business in New York. "There's a lot of us like that, whether it's the florist or the printer, they're all feeling the same squeeze," he said.

Patricia Mabey Woleski, vice president of Mabey's Moving & Storage in Rensselaer, said there are trucks every week taking household furniture and boxes from the Capital Region to Florida.

"They don't want to deal with the taxes and the high cost of living and the snow and ice," Mabey said.

Nevertheless, there are still people moving into the area because of a new job, to be closer to family, or other reasons. Where are they coming from?

From 2001 to 2010, IRS data shows most of the migration into the region was from Queens County in New York City, Ferraro said. Some of the influx was undoubtedly due to the large number of Guyanese who moved from Queens to Schenectady over the past decade, he said.
Larry Handiman

Gary, IN

#2 Feb 18, 2014
Rocky Ferraro, executive director at Capital District Regional Planning Commission, said one reason is the wave of retirees, and others, continuing to move south to avoid harsh winters (though many couldn't escape it this season).

Internal Revenue Service data analyzed by the regional planning commission show the out-migration is primarily to Florida and the Carolinas, Ferraro said.

"Those numbers are only going to increase in terms of the Baby Boom population," Ferraro said.

Tama pointed to some other usual suspects: high taxes and onerous government regulations hurting businesses and individuals.

"You see ads on TV saying New York is business friendly," Tama said, and he made a reference to the state's new Startup-NY program that waves taxes for up to 10 years for some new companies that move into the state.

Liedkie has been doing business in the region since 1917. And Tama said his company, like many other businesses, feel the pressure of doing business in New York. "There's a lot of us like that, whether it's the florist or the printer, they're all feeling the same squeeze," he said.

Patricia Mabey Woleski, vice president of Mabey's Moving & Storage in Rensselaer, said there are trucks every week taking household furniture and boxes from the Capital Region to Florida.

"They don't want to deal with the taxes and the high cost of living and the snow and ice," Mabey said.

Nevertheless, there are still people moving into the area because of a new job, to be closer to family, or other reasons. Where are they coming from?

From 2001 to 2010, IRS data shows most of the migration into the region was from Queens County in New York City, Ferraro said. Some of the influx was undoubtedly due to the large number of Guyanese who moved from Queens to Schenectady over the past decade, he said.

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