Nuisance or blessing? -- themorningcall.com

There are 59 comments on the The Morning Call story from Sep 19, 2007, titled Nuisance or blessing? -- themorningcall.com. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

The father and son had hit somewhat of a snag in their relationship. Their conversations became less about their interests and more about chores.

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crf4010

Bangor, PA

#43 Sep 19, 2007
put the bottle or drugs down.sound to me like you came from a disfunctional family and wished your dad did something with you other then yell or beat you. seek therapy
crime pays

United States

#44 Sep 19, 2007
jim wrote:
Most people that ride around these dirt tracks are uneducated and have no respect for others. Comments that this track keeps kids off drugs or helps parental bonding are also ludicrous. It doesn't matter which owner was there first. The question is, when was the track put in? I'm sure the homes were there before this idiot put a track in.
Following the line of logic about keeping kids off drugs, why don't I host loud dance parties every night in my suburban neighborhood? Hey it keeps the kids off drugs. Let's have a firework club and shoot em off at 2:00 in the am. Hey, at least they're not doing drugs.
My dad and I went fishing, threw baseball, and played other sports together. Maybe this father should try helping the son with his homework or reading to him. But I doubt it, because these neantherthal, redneck riders are too dumb to read books.
Aah, the enlightened speak. Most noble one, you're analogies are severely lacking any relation to this topic. They are not riding at 2:00 a.m. nor riding at night when you state to hold loud dance parties in your SUBURBAN neighborhood. I guess ignorance is bliss, oh blissful one. Hope all involved come to a workable agreement.
crf4010

Bangor, PA

#45 Sep 19, 2007
winky, did you seek therapy yet??
brad

Allentown, PA

#46 Sep 19, 2007
Man ppl need to get a darn life. like really,ppl that are saying about the news and stuff need to get a life and deal with it it is the guys land he should beable to do what they want to do on it.It is better to have the kids and family on there bikes and staying in shape,then sitting around or shooting ppl and crap,and most the ppl that are trying to shut them down more then likely dont ride so they have no clue what it is like to ride if the owners of the land cant ride there bikes and quads on there own land what they doin selling them i think all you ppl need to get a life and let the kids ride will keep crime down KEEP RIDING GOOD PPL AND THE OTHERS THAT ARE CRYING OVER THE NOSIE GET A LIFE
Mike_ weekend warrior

Syracuse, NY

#47 Sep 19, 2007
This club is as good for the community as it is for the members and their families of the Weekend Warriors Riding Club. Kids, moms and dads all come together here.
It's a great place to spend a day out with your family. We promote safety, teach the kids to tread lightly, as well good citizenship. We are talking about planning a club food drive for the local food bank and helping the local SPCA. We invite the community to come and stop by, say "Hello" and talk to the members and see what we are about. If you have any questions feel free to email me at
mihylo 33 @ hot mail . com I would be more than happy to answer your questions.
Mike Krauth
Member Services Director, Weekend Warrior Riding Club
ride free

United States

#48 Sep 19, 2007
Let the people ride! people complain all the time about riders saying they should find a place to go and ride..well guess what? there aren't really any places around here for ATVs and dirtbikes! if u don't like the noise go somewhere else! this guy was probably here before all these other stupid houses were built anyway. people who are saying riding is dumb and that there are other things to do for enjoyment obviously never experienced riding themselves. this is a FAMILY sport. i'm a girl and i've been riding for 6 years now with my dad and other family members and honestly, no other sport even compares to the thrill u get when riding. it just sucks that there arent many places to go anymore. i think they should just let the guy have his track..it's his property let him do what he wants to do...people need to just deal with it or leave. i'm tired of hearing about all these people moving here from other places and then trying to change things. what happened to being outdoors and spending time with your family in a non-destructive manner? the riders have rights too.
jim

Bangor, PA

#49 Sep 19, 2007
Since the only people that seem to be commenting are the riders themselves (who lack English skills), let's have a lesson on homophones. Your=possessive case. You're=a contraction for you are. There=a place. Their=plural ownership.
I know bikers. They really are limited individuals who are no good at sports, academia, or other pursuits. They just scrap up their yards and annoy neighbors. And no, I'm not from Jersey. I'm 12th generation PA and I've been living near you knuckleheads all my life.
Donna

Sparta, NJ

#50 Sep 19, 2007
jim wrote:
Since the only people that seem to be commenting are the riders themselves (who lack English skills), let's have a lesson on homophones. Your=possessive case. You're=a contraction for you are. There=a place. Their=plural ownership.
I know bikers. They really are limited individuals who are no good at sports, academia, or other pursuits. They just scrap up their yards and annoy neighbors. And no, I'm not from Jersey. I'm 12th generation PA and I've been living near you knuckleheads all my life.
As a matter of FACT my son is on honor roll, and finished 8th in at NATIONALS in wrestling, and guess what he rides. Well you sure do not have a PA attitude, maybe you should move
ranger88

Allentown, PA

#52 Sep 19, 2007
Hi there i feel that it is a good idea to have the track.It keeps kids off the sreets if it just bugs the ppl that live around the track there is a lot of other places you non riders can move to other places.There is not many place for us to ride atvs or dirtbikes and when someone does something good people always have to wreck it and there is always those hand full of people out there.tell me would you like your kids out on the sreets doing drugs and doin things to break the law or have them riding around a track and havin fun thanxs Just let the people have there fun if they cant ride there give them a place to ride
crime pays

United States

#53 Sep 19, 2007
jim wrote:
Since the only people that seem to be commenting are the riders themselves (who lack English skills), let's have a lesson on homophones. Your=possessive case. You're=a contraction for you are. There=a place. Their=plural ownership.
I know bikers. They really are limited individuals who are no good at sports, academia, or other pursuits. They just scrap up their yards and annoy neighbors. And no, I'm not from Jersey. I'm 12th generation PA and I've been living near you knuckleheads all my life.
You're correct, I did mis-type the you're for your - damn these fingers. Your childish rantings upgrade you from dolt to buffon. 12 generations, huh, from the looks of your ramblings and your steroetyping, you just may be a product of inbreeding. Glad to see you put the banjo down to grace these posts with your myopic viewpoint. Thankyou and now go brush your three teeth.
crime pays

United States

#54 Sep 19, 2007
Censored??? alrighty then, da## these fingers.
crime pays

United States

#55 Sep 19, 2007
Oops, again, sorry Jim, don't get your panties in a bind. For the resident English teacher, stereotyping not steroetyping. Usually, it is called a typo, but to a 12th generation Pennsylvanian, it is a lack of English skills.
CHUNNIE AND THE MABLE

Allentown, PA

#56 Sep 20, 2007
I say we let Bruce have his course maybe he will earn some extra money and then he can afford to get a hair cut !!!!
mtnman

New York, NY

#57 Sep 20, 2007
Chris wrote:
The argument that ATV's steer young people away from drugs and other trouble is laughable. That's what parenting is for. Hard working, property tax paying residents have a right to peace and quiet inside their own homes. If the testerone-pumped young males need to burn off some energy, they can get off their fat butts and use their muscles to ride regular bicycles, play sports or go to the amusement park. Nobody ever died from not being able to ride an ATV. There's enough noise pollution coming from necessary vehicles such as cars, trucks, motorcycles, planes and lawnmowers
Chris, your comments are off balance. Sure riding a motorcycle will not totally keep kids off of drugs or out of trouble but neither will bicycles, mainstream sports, amusement parks, and even good parenting. Certainly, all of those will increase chances of keeping kids off of drugs and out of trouble including riding a motorcycle and dare I say even more so than mainstream sports. I don't recall any professional motocrossers being put in jail for murder, drugs(recreational or performance enhancing), rape, dogfighting, theft, or other crimes yet it is easy to cite loads of baseball, football, cycling(Tour de France), and basketball professionals. Heck even an Olympic female gymnastics team filmed a porno! I really don't want my child to look upto such people.

As for motorcyclist being testosterone filled and fat butted, sure there are some and there are plenty more of those type of people that ride bicycles, play mainstream sports, and go to amusement parks.

I do agree to your point that people should have the right to happiness, especially within their own homes. For instance, I would not be too happy if someone built a drag strip next to my home. I also used to live next to a small town baseball field and believe me kids, parents, and fans are not quiet and those games go well into the night. They would leave garbage all over. The traffic was horrendous with people parking all over the streets. So then should we ban all such activities from residential areas?

As for nobody ever dying from not riding an ATV, sure I'll give you that. On the converse side, everyone who rides is definitely LIVING.

Nuisance or blessing?
Family riding area = blessing
Ranting and raving fools = nuisance
KeepItRunnin

Emmaus, PA

#58 Sep 20, 2007
jim wrote:
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You wouldn't need a place to ride if you didn't buy the ATV in the first place. I live in a rural area, hence I won't be buying any subway tokens.

So we'll just ban you from the subway if you ever make your way into the city. Thats the idea right? Ya'll opposed to it need to lighten up. I happen to live across the street from a house that has a sewage leak, every once in a while, that the dogs can easily get into and track all over the place. Get back to me when you have a real problem. Until then have fun destroying the hopes of a father and son (who i might add have been working to help the issue) and everyone else who love to ride. And I hope this track does stay because then the whining neighbors will have gotten what they deserve- a free WEEKEND WARRIORS advertisement sent to everyone in the area in the form a newspaper article. If its too loud your to old so to fix the problem just crank your hearing aid down!
Scott G

Lehighton, PA

#59 Sep 21, 2007
Chris wrote:
The argument that ATV's steer young people away from drugs and other trouble is laughable. That's what parenting is for. Hard working, property tax paying residents have a right to peace and quiet inside their own homes. If the testerone-pumped young males need to burn off some energy, they can get off their fat butts and use their muscles to ride regular bicycles, play sports or go to the amusement park. Nobody ever died from not being able to ride an ATV. There's enough noise pollution coming from necessary vehicles such as cars, trucks, motorcycles, planes and lawnmowers
Chris you must be an idiot! Fat butts? Motocross is one of the most physically demanding sports on the planet. I call people like you C.A.V.E.'s ( Citizens Against Virtually Everything) These type of sports teach our youth commitment,hard work and dedication. Today our children (well not mine) sit on the couch playing video games and watching tv. Have you taken a good look at the youth in your community? They are over weight, over praised, lazy, and disrespectful. Though you may find a few riders like the above description, the majority that ride are good kids who only want to partisipate in the sport they love. Ive been riding for years and now my 5 year old son rides. The time we spend together riding will last him a life time. Maybe you sould get a bike or atv and go riding, then maybe you will change your tune!
Scott G

Lehighton, PA

#60 Sep 21, 2007
jim wrote:
Most people that ride around these dirt tracks are uneducated and have no respect for others. Comments that this track keeps kids off drugs or helps parental bonding are also ludicrous. It doesn't matter which owner was there first. The question is, when was the track put in? I'm sure the homes were there before this idiot put a track in.
Following the line of logic about keeping kids off drugs, why don't I host loud dance parties every night in my suburban neighborhood? Hey it keeps the kids off drugs. Let's have a firework club and shoot em off at 2:00 in the am. Hey, at least they're not doing drugs.
My dad and I went fishing, threw baseball, and played other sports together. Maybe this father should try helping the son with his homework or reading to him. But I doubt it, because these neantherthal, redneck riders are too dumb to read books.
Jim your a piece of work. The track is only open 9am to 3pm Sat. and Sundays. I can tell by your comment that your the uneducated one. Have you been to a track lately? Well I have! Have you been to a little league game lately or a peewee football game lately, Talk about animals, my kid will not play football because of the way parents like you act at the games. Red neck! Get a grip looser! Do a little research before you open your so called educated mouth. Oh by the way I help with my kids homework and read to the before bed. Ya and I ride a motocross bike and love it. You need balls to ride something Im sure you dont have!
Jeff Kaye

Northumberland, PA

#61 Sep 25, 2007
I've ridden the track with my son and daughter, 8 and 6, and it was such a great bonding time. We all had a great day! I was surprised to see "safety directors" in various locations around the course monitoring course conditions and riders' actions to ensure everyone has a safe experience. It was also good to see that when a young rider went down there was a multitude of other riders that immediately went to his aid. What makes this place special is that riders of any level or expertise can enjoy it. In addition, the comradery between all of the riders is unrivaled anywhere. Everyone is there to help each other have a safe and enjoyable time. Kudos to Mr. Hawk!
tanya

Slatington, PA

#62 Sep 28, 2007
This web site really annoys me. My son rides and does quite well in school. I take offense to you saying that these people are uneducated. You are the uneducated one here. My son is an honor roll student and enjoys riding dirt bike. It's ok that we play football on a friday night and make a lot of noise but it's not ok for my son to ride his dirtbike. And i would suggest you be very careful in what you stereo type these people as because it not cheap to own and maintain dirtbikes and atv's so someone has to got to have a job and pay for it. That would mean not someone uneducated either. Just remember these words when you stereo type defamation of charector. There are charges for that and i am sick and tired of my son being referred to as a hooligan and uneducated. In case you were wondering my son is aware that if he don't maintain his grades his riding career is done. HELLO!!!

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