Plea hearing today in Taylor crash

Plea hearing today in Taylor crash

There are 57 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from May 29, 2007, titled Plea hearing today in Taylor crash. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A trucker accused of causing a crash that killed four students and a staff member from Taylor University and led to the misidentification of two of the victims might plead guilty today to charges in the wreck.

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steve

Indianapolis, IN

#42 May 29, 2007
24 years! I could walk up to a total stranger and shoot them in the head and not get that much time...
Jman

Indianapolis, IN

#43 May 29, 2007
Jesus wrote:
This is ridiculous. Had this been a normal (not a church van) vehicle, and no identity mix up, there would be no arrest, no guilty plea, no jail time. What does jail time do? It will teach the truck driver to become a criminal, he won't be able to find a job upon release, he'll join the welfare rolls, and we'll all be paying for him for the rest of his life. Better to keep him in the working sector, maybe paying fines for speeding. I guarantee if the van had been hauling illegal immigrants, most of you would be cheering their deaths. What a sick society we live in. Maybe these church vans should be banned. They are unsafe at any speed, are gas guzzlers, and more people have been killed from crashes in these vans than died from ephedra (with they banned in 2004). Ban the Church Van! Ban the Church Van!
My comments to the prosecutor - maybe the trial should have been moved more than 1 county over. Perhaps it should have been moved to Evansville for a fair and unbiased trial.
Your argument applies to all criminals; not just this guy. Obviously, if we didn't send anyone to jail, it would be far cheaper on the taxpayer in terms of prison cost.

Second, look at the crash scene photos--the church van was destroyed. Seatbelts, 50 airbags, or even the hand of God would not have saved these people.

Third, the case never went to trial so their was no jury bias or unfair trial.

Finally, the whole argument that trucking companies "force" you to drive long hours and break the law is BS. Indiana, like every other state in the Union, adheres to the at-will employment doctrine. He could have quit anytime he wanted to. If an employer asks you to break the law, quit. If you can't afford to quit because of your illegitimate children or beer drinking habit, you are making a conscious decision to accept the legal consequences when you actually get busted for breaking the law.
How

Covington, KY

#44 May 29, 2007
Boomer52 wrote:
This Truckdriver was breaking the Law and should be punished. What about the Company that He was working for? They not only knew that He was violating his Hours of service they were probably pushing Him to do it.If Truckdrivers were paid by the hour instead of by the mile or trip this sort of thing would not happen.
Do you figure that his company knew he violated his hours that night? Additionally, how does paying truckers by the hour, rather than by the mile or trip solve anything? They're still going to drive over their hours and hope they don't get caught.
steve

Indianapolis, IN

#45 May 29, 2007
You haven't lived in the REAL WORLD yet have you?
Melissa

United States

#47 May 29, 2007
I believe he should be put in prison the man new the rules of how long he could drive. See that is what is wrong with these semi drivers they think that since the companies want there products in a certain time frame they have to race against the clock. Well the companies should be liable for these actions too. They should give them a longer amount of time for arrival. So I would also blame the companies for neglagence.
Julie

Edison, NJ

#48 May 29, 2007
Boomer52 wrote:
This Truckdriver was breaking the Law and should be punished. What about the Company that He was working for? They not only knew that He was violating his Hours of service they were probably pushing Him to do it.If Truckdrivers were paid by the hour instead of by the mile or trip this sort of thing would not happen.
I am glad somebody mentioned the company. If they are not called in on this, thats the crime. My husband drives a truck, luckily he has a job that pays by the hour. He didnt use to, he worked by the mile. There are so many things that play into to this that most people are ignorant to. Which is quite obvious by others comments. It was a horrible ACCIDENT. Lets get someone to check the DOT records for the company. Lets make them responsible for pushing the drivers and setting unreasonable time tables. Another comment regarding responsibility and accountablity for the Big DANGEROUS EQUIPMENT. Take them off the road, and see whats on your dinner table tonight, or what clothes you will wear. Trucking is the lifeline of this country. Lets make the Companies accountable also. If he would have been in his own personal car and worked 9 hours late at the office, he would have walked.
Proud to be an American

Auburn Hills, MI

#49 May 29, 2007
Bill wrote:
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You think this was an accident? If that IDIOT truck driver had been following the rules and gotten off the road when he was supposed to, there would have been no accident. In my opinion, he got what he deserved.
Don't tell me you've never went over the speed limit or driven when you were too tired!! Yes, it's a horrible situation but I'm sure he has many regrets. What is the difference in you driving when you're tired and the trucker? Just because the government puts limits on it, doesn't mean there SHOULD be a difference. If he was drunk, there should be no mercy shown.Probably if he would have been, he would have gotten probation.
lockemup

United States

#50 May 29, 2007
Lock this moron for the full 24. Keep him from hurting more people.
Brandon

Indianapolis, IN

#51 May 29, 2007
steve wrote:
24 years! I could walk up to a total stranger and shoot them in the head and not get that much time...
Why don't you try doing it to five people like this guy did and see how much time you get.
Just A Mom

United States

#52 May 29, 2007
How heartbreaking for this man to spend so much wasted time in prison. While my heart goes out to the families of the victims, there was no criminal intent on his part. There are cold-blooded murderers that get less of a sentence than this man could possibly receive. Why has he been incarcerated all this time? Could he not afford bail or was it not offered? Fine trucking companies that put pressure on these drivers to push, push, push...not the drivers trying to make a living.
Retired Trucker

Utica, KY

#53 May 29, 2007
What wrote:
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Come on, most of these guys get paid by the mile. Believe it or not, the truckers are responsible.
Why don't You try making a living being paid by the mile when You are only allowed to work 14 hours a day and You have to spend half of that time sitting around waiting for someone else to get off of their Ass and do their job. Which by the way they are getting paid for at an hourly rate. Paying Drivers by the mile is the same as paying for piece work and should be outlawed.
Retired Trucker

Utica, KY

#54 May 29, 2007
How wrote:
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Do you figure that his company knew he violated his hours that night? Additionally, how does paying truckers by the hour, rather than by the mile or trip solve anything? They're still going to drive over their hours and hope they don't get caught.
They won't drive over the hours if they are not getting paid for it. If the Trucking companies had to pay by the hour they would not be able to plead ignorance as to how long the Drivers are driving. If the Drivers were being compensated for the time wasted sitting at docks waiting to be loaded/unloaded they would not be compelled to drive over their allowed hours just to make a living. I hope this answers Your question.
Retired Trucker

Utica, KY

#55 May 29, 2007
Big Problem wrote:
Unfortunately, truckers routinely drive for longer periods of time than allowable under the law and falsify their records. The state and federal governments have turned a blind eye to this activity in the interest of moving commerce. As a result, people are dying.
Indiana needs to step up enforcement of trucking laws. The federal government needs to come up with better enforcement tools. With satellite trackers and credit card usage, it's not too difficult to determine when a trucker has falsified his log book. Unfortunately, the state and federal governments only use those tools after people die in horrific accidents.
It is not the State and Federal Government that are turning a blind eye to this it is the trucking companies. Companies are fined every day for allowing Drivers to turn in false logs, they see it as the cost of doing bussiness. Why do You think Log Books are reffered to as "Comic Books" in the Trucking Industry? Truckers do routinely drive longer hours than the Law allows, they are pressured to do so by the Trucking Companies. If the Driver doesn't go along with the Company they just find another Driver that will.
Expediter

Plainfield, IN

#56 May 29, 2007
Retired Trucker wrote:
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Why don't You try making a living being paid by the mile when You are only allowed to work 14 hours a day and You have to spend half of that time sitting around waiting for someone else to get off of their Ass and do their job. Which by the way they are getting paid for at an hourly rate. Paying Drivers by the mile is the same as paying for piece work and should be outlawed.
You must have done mostly UAW plants. They are by far the worst!!!
Retired Trucker

Utica, KY

#57 May 29, 2007
Expediter wrote:
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You must have done mostly UAW plants. They are by far the worst!!!
I did just about everything and I will agree with You that the UAW plants are among the worst. I found that the more a worker is getting paid the slower they work. The thing that made Me the angriest was having to wait for the loaders to come back from their paid breaks while I sat there and made Zip.
Mr T

Collierville, TN

#58 May 29, 2007
Blame Jim and the Colts
concerned

United States

#60 Jun 3, 2007
Jesus wrote:
This is ridiculous. Had this been a normal (not a church van) vehicle, and no identity mix up, there would be no arrest, no guilty plea, no jail time. What does jail time do? It will teach the truck driver to become a criminal, he won't be able to find a job upon release, he'll join the welfare rolls, and we'll all be paying for him for the rest of his life. Better to keep him in the working sector, maybe paying fines for speeding. I guarantee if the van had been hauling illegal immigrants, most of you would be cheering their deaths. What a sick society we live in. Maybe these church vans should be banned. They are unsafe at any speed, are gas guzzlers, and more people have been killed from crashes in these vans than died from ephedra (with they banned in 2004). Ban the Church Van! Ban the Church Van!
My comments to the prosecutor - maybe the trial should have been moved more than 1 county over. Perhaps it should have been moved to Evansville for a fair and unbiased trial.
Ban the church van!? It wasn't a church van. It was a college van. Carrying student workers. I'm not saying the driver should be put away for so long, but I think you need to consider that 4 20-21 year olds lost their lives.
And gas guzzler? What do you think semis are?

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