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[roget]

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

How can anyone be afraid to identify themselves and prove that they are aware of the mental and physical responsibility of owning lethal force?

So you agree that people should also have to register the gasoline in their garage, the knives in their silverware drawers, the blunt instruments in their homes (including baseball bats), etc.??

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

Contrary to recent Supreme Court Decisions, Americans have NO individual right to keep and bear arms unless they are members of “a well-regulated militia.”

Contrary to your opinion, the Court says otherwise and they carry FAR more weight than you do. Your lack of English comprehension is probably responsible.

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

Our Founding Fathers understood this and wrote the Second Amendment to read:“A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

That's right JD, the right is affirmed on "the people"...not "the militia"...or "the people in the militia".

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

I am so tired of NRA (a well-bankrolled front for arms dealers) mouthpieces quoting HALF of the second amendment and creating phony paranoia in order to raise the prices of weapons and ammunition.

Tsk, tsk JD. Do you also have a paranoia streak against the ACLU's defense of the 1st Amendment??
Too bad you choose to only read HALF of the amendment.

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

U.S. weapons dealers are getting rich--95% of assault weapons confiscated in Mexico were purchased at good old American gun shows.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ! Where did you pull that number out of???? They got you hook, line, and sinker!!

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

Every handgun to protect an American family has a 5 to 1 chance of shooting a family member or neighbor, rather than an intruder.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! And your proof of that is forthcoming??

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

The almighty NRA has fought legislation that would require teenagers to have background checks or even show I.D. to purchase high-powered weaponry at gun shows.

Ah, spewing the "gunshow loophole" now? Keep regurgitating what the mainstream media spoon feeds you. It's what they want you to do.

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

Support this bill—stop the madness!

Yeah, right. ALL of the crime is being caused by the 80 million gun owners, huh JD?!

[PlacitasRoy]

Mark in the LC wrote:

I'm not sure why it's such a bad idea to have to your gun registered. Will someone please explain this to me?

Cause then "THEY" will come get your gun. Of course if "THEY" are ever gonna come get your guns, "THEY" will simply raid the NRA, Gun Owners of America, etc headquarters while the dodge the flying pigs.

[Seen It Before]

roget wrote:

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How many other rights and liberties do you believe should be registered before they can be exercised?
Registration begets confiscation. Ask Californians about that.
Why should law-abiding citizens be required to register firearms when criminals won't or don't? Can you explain that to me?

You are so right..... When the government has a list of what you own it's easier for them to come to collect it. The fact that they can do that is scary enough. You know they think we can;t be trusted.

[roget]

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Cause then "THEY" will come get your gun. Of course if "THEY" are ever gonna come get your guns, "THEY" will simply raid the NRA, Gun Owners of America, etc headquarters while the dodge the flying pigs.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! So tell us all how you found out about the armories at the NRA and Gun Owners of America.
Sounds like "THEY" already operated on you and the lobotomy was a success.

[Armed Veteran]

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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And here is what Factcheck.org had to say about that: "....we find THE NRA HAS CHERRY-PICKED, TWISTED AND MISREPRESENTED OBAMA'S RECORD....." & "on Sept. 22 reports surfaced that the NRA had launched TV ads in several key states, also attacking Obama. THEY ARE FALSE PORTRAYALS."
NRA Targets Obama - It falsely claims in mailers and TV ads that Obama plans to ban handguns, hunting ammo and use of a gun for home defense.
Summary: A National Rifle Association advertising campaign DISTORTS OBAMA'S POSITION ON GUN CONTROL BEYOND RECOGNITION....
Much of what the NRA passes off as Obama's "10 Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment" is actually contrary to what he has said throughout his campaign: that he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms" and "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."
The NRA, however, simply dismisses Obama's stated position as "rhetoric" and substitutes its own interpretation of his record as a secret "plan." Said an NRA spokesman: "We believe our facts."
Perhaps so, but believing something doesn't make it so. And we find THE NRA HAS CHERRY-PICKED, TWISTED AND MISREPRESENTED OBAMA'S RECORD to come up with a bogus "plan."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_t...
Primary rules of propaganda: Make the LIE BIG. Keep it simple so even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it. Keep repeating it. NEVER admit is was wrong.“THEY are gonna take your guns” fits all the criteria.

Here's a challenge for you. Show me proof...any proof, that Obama has EVER supported ANY pro-gun legislation. I won't hold my breath.

[Armed Veteran]

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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And here is what Factcheck.org had to say about that: "....we find THE NRA HAS CHERRY-PICKED, TWISTED AND MISREPRESENTED OBAMA'S RECORD....." & "on Sept. 22 reports surfaced that the NRA had launched TV ads in several key states, also attacking Obama. THEY ARE FALSE PORTRAYALS."
NRA Targets Obama - It falsely claims in mailers and TV ads that Obama plans to ban handguns, hunting ammo and use of a gun for home defense.
Summary: A National Rifle Association advertising campaign DISTORTS OBAMA'S POSITION ON GUN CONTROL BEYOND RECOGNITION....
Much of what the NRA passes off as Obama's "10 Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment" is actually contrary to what he has said throughout his campaign: that he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms" and "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."
The NRA, however, simply dismisses Obama's stated position as "rhetoric" and substitutes its own interpretation of his record as a secret "plan." Said an NRA spokesman: "We believe our facts."
Perhaps so, but believing something doesn't make it so. And we find THE NRA HAS CHERRY-PICKED, TWISTED AND MISREPRESENTED OBAMA'S RECORD to come up with a bogus "plan."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_t...
Primary rules of propaganda: Make the LIE BIG. Keep it simple so even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it. Keep repeating it. NEVER admit is was wrong.“THEY are gonna take your guns” fits all the criteria.

I never said that the NRA didn't "cherry pick" Obama's past. That what political organizations do. It's also why I am neither politician or an NRA member. The NRA has used BO's record against him, but show me one thing they have actually "lied" about. BO said he supports our 2nd-A rights, but his voting record on anything closely related to the 2nd-A says exactly the opposite. What ticks me off is the NRA'a campaign has caused firearm and ammo prices to go ballistic. A relatively inexpensive semi-auto version of an AK-47 two years ago would run you about $300. The last gun show I went to they were $600. A $1600 M1A now goes for around $2300. 380ACP ammo is non-existent in this area (as well as most other handgun calibers).

So "cherry-picked" I'll agree on. "Twisted"...maybe. "Misrepresented"...n o way. One of the ultimate goals of the far left Socialists now running the Democratic party is the complete erasure of the 2nd Amendment (Pelosi...Boxer...etal...call your office). It is easier to rule over unarmed masses. Funny how history sometimes repeats itself. It is up to us to make sure it never happens...again.

[Armed Veteran]

Mark in the LC wrote:

I'm not sure why it's such a bad idea to have to your gun registered. Will someone please explain this to me?

Because it is none of the government's business what personal property I own. Period. Look down through history and you will find that the first step of any government prior to total confiscation is registration. It's even happened here with certain types of firearms. Do a little research and find out which guns are no longer legal to own in California.

[Armed Veteran]

roget wrote:

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So you agree that people should also have to register the gasoline in their garage, the knives in their silverware drawers, the blunt instruments in their homes (including baseball bats), etc.??
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Contrary to your opinion, the Court says otherwise and they carry FAR more weight than you do. Your lack of English comprehension is probably responsible.
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That's right JD, the right is affirmed on "the people"...not "the militia"...or "the people in the militia".
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Tsk, tsk JD. Do you also have a paranoia streak against the ACLU's defense of the 1st Amendment??
Too bad you choose to only read HALF of the amendment.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ! Where did you pull that number out of???? They got you hook, line, and sinker!!
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! And your proof of that is forthcoming??
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Ah, spewing the "gunshow loophole" now? Keep regurgitating what the mainstream media spoon feeds you. It's what they want you to do.
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Yeah, right. ALL of the crime is being caused by the 80 million gun owners, huh JD?!

Spot on!(I think JD is actually Sarah Brady...just a guess)

[BobbySomers]

Armed Veteran wrote:

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What the NRA based their campaign on was BO's past voting record when it came to gun control legislation, and actual statements that he and his cronies have made.

Don't forget that the White House website still states that B.O. wants to "reinstate the assault weapons ban"

[Marauder]

Mark in the LC wrote:

I'm not sure why it's such a bad idea to have to your gun registered. Will someone please explain this to me?

Ask those in Kalifornia that had to register their firearms...and then later those same firearms were determined illegal and were required to be surrendered to the State. Letters were sent to those who registered those firearms, directing them to turn them into their local Police station.

Bottom line...what type and how many firearms I own is none of the gov't's buisness.

[Marauder]

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

Contrary to recent Supreme Court Decisions, Americans have NO individual right to keep and bear arms unless they are members of “a well-regulated militia.” Our Founding Fathers understood this and wrote the Second Amendment to read:“A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So are advocating the violation of law and Constitutional rights.

Did you even bother to read the couts decision..?

[Boomer215]

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

How can anyone be afraid to identify themselves and prove that they are aware of the mental and physical responsibility of owning lethal force?
Contrary to recent Supreme Court Decisions, Americans have NO individual right to keep and bear arms unless they are members of “a well-regulated militia.” Our Founding Fathers understood this and wrote the Second Amendment to read:“A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
I am so tired of NRA (a well-bankrolled front for arms dealers) mouthpieces quoting HALF of the second amendment and creating phony paranoia in order to raise the prices of weapons and ammunition. U.S. weapons dealers are getting rich--95% of assault weapons confiscated in Mexico were purchased at good old American gun shows. Every handgun to protect an American family has a 5 to 1 chance of shooting a family member or neighbor, rather than an intruder.
The almighty NRA has fought legislation that would require teenagers to have background checks or even show I.D. to purchase high-powered weaponry at gun shows.
Support this bill—stop the madness!

"95% of assault weapons confiscated in Mexico were purchased at good old American gun shows."

Really concerned about Mexico scooter?
Then perhaps you should worry more in regards to the whereabouts of all the armament that the good old USA and Soviet Union stuffed into Central and South America during the Cold War years, and worry a little less about American citizens exercising their right to keep and bear arms.

[Tired of Stupids]

Mark in the LC wrote:

I'm not sure why it's such a bad idea to have to your gun registered. Will someone please explain this to me?

First, it's unconstitutional. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand? Logical progression: Hitler, Mussolinin, Stalin, Chavez, Obama...

[PlacitasRoy]

roget wrote:

<quoted text>BWAHAHAHAHA!!! So tell us all how you found out about the armories at the NRA and Gun Owners of America.
Sounds like "THEY" already operated on you and the lobotomy was a success.

Who said anything about armories? I was talking about mailing,membership, and donation lists.

[Tired of Stupids]

JD Schultz--Las Cruces wrote:

How can anyone be afraid to identify themselves and prove that they are aware of the mental and physical responsibility of owning lethal force?
Contrary to recent Supreme Court Decisions, Americans have NO individual right to keep and bear arms unless they are members of “a well-regulated militia.” Our Founding Fathers understood this and wrote the Second Amendment to read:“A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
I am so tired of NRA (a well-bankrolled front for arms dealers) mouthpieces quoting HALF of the second amendment and creating phony paranoia in order to raise the prices of weapons and ammunition. U.S. weapons dealers are getting rich--95% of assault weapons confiscated in Mexico were purchased at good old American gun shows. Every handgun to protect an American family has a 5 to 1 chance of shooting a family member or neighbor, rather than an intruder.
The almighty NRA has fought legislation that would require teenagers to have background checks or even show I.D. to purchase high-powered weaponry at gun shows.
Support this bill—stop the madness!

Sorry, Sgt Schultz, but you are wrong on all counts. Every able-bodied male in the USA is part of the general militia. I might consider complying with gun registration after every person gets a license to own each vehicle, baseball bat, 2x4, compressor, air tank, gas can, knife, hammer, letter opener, heavy book, saw, etc that can be used for deadly force.

[Tired of Stupids]

Armed Veteran wrote:

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Because it is none of the government's business what personal property I own. Period. Look down through history and you will find that the first step of any government prior to total confiscation is registration. It's even happened here with certain types of firearms. Do a little research and find out which guns are no longer legal to own in California.

Actually, according to the US Constitution, ALL weapons are legal in all states, no restrictions. States do not have the power to usurp what the Constitution guarantees us.

[PlacitasRoy]

Armed Veteran wrote:

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I never said that the NRA didn't "cherry pick" Obama's past. That what political organizations do. It's also why I am neither politician or an NRA member. The NRA has used BO's record against him, but show me one thing they have actually "lied" about. BO said he supports our 2nd-A rights, but his voting record on anything closely related to the 2nd-A says exactly the opposite. What ticks me off is the NRA'a campaign has caused firearm and ammo prices to go ballistic. A relatively inexpensive semi-auto version of an AK-47 two years ago would run you about $300. The last gun show I went to they were $600. A $1600 M1A now goes for around $2300. 380ACP ammo is non-existent in this area (as well as most other handgun calibers).
So "cherry-picked" I'll agree on. "Twisted"...maybe. "Misrepresented"...n o way. One of the ultimate goals of the far left Socialists now running the Democratic party is the complete erasure of the 2nd Amendment (Pelosi...Boxer...etal...call your office). It is easier to rule over unarmed masses. Funny how history sometimes repeats itself. It is up to us to make sure it never happens...again.

Politicfact summarizes:“…..Ignoring that sort of evidence, and instead extrapolating from one vote on a jurisdictional debate in Illinois a broad-ranging plan to ban guns for home defense, is not just misleading, it's intentionally dishonest. That is, PANTS ON FIRE wrong.“

"Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense." National Rifle Association in direct mail piece…YES, AND OUTLAW APPLE PIE AS WELL HTTP://WWW.POLITIFACT.COM/TRUTH-O-METER/STATE...

From factcheck.org :
NRA Claim: "Ban Rifle Ammunition Commonly Used for Hunting and Sport Shooting"
FALSE: Obama is not proposing to ban hunting ammunition. And he did not, as claimed in an NRA TV spot featuring a Virginia hunter named Karl Rusch, vote to "ban virtually all deer hunting ammunition." What Obama voted for was a measure to ban "armor-piercing" ammunition, which the measure's sponsor has said repeatedly would not cover hunting ammunition.

NRA Claim: "Ban the Manufacture, Sale and Possession of Handguns"
FALSE: Obama says he does not support any such handgun ban and never has. He supports "reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns" (not manufacture) and has said a ban is not "politically practicable."

NRA Claim: "Mandate a Government-Issued License to Purchase a Firearm"
MISLEADING: Obama indeed has spoken in favor of licensing handguns, but so far as we can determine he hasn't called for registration of hunting weapons. And he's said a national gun registration law isn't politically possible: "I just don't think we can get that done."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_t...

Primary rules of propaganda: Make the LIE BIG. Keep it simple so even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it. Keep repeating it. NEVER admit is was wrong.“THEY are gonna take your guns” fits all the criteria.

[Deputy]

Charlie: I checked the GOA (Gun Owners of America) website and the chances of HR45 passing are almost zero. To quote GOA "In all likelihood, H.R. 45 is probably a long shot at passing both houses of Congress, albeit gun owners should never take any proposed gun control bill for granted."
I do find it interesting that the sponsor is Bobby Rush, a former Black Panther and out of the same Democrat machine as Obama.

[Tired of Stupids]

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Politicfact summarizes:“…..Ignoring that sort of evidence, and instead extrapolating from one vote on a jurisdictional debate in Illinois a broad-ranging plan to ban guns for home defense, is not just misleading, it's intentionally dishonest. That is, PANTS ON FIRE wrong.“
"Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense." National Rifle Association in direct mail piece…YES, AND OUTLAW APPLE PIE AS WELL HTTP://WWW.POLITIFACT.COM/TRUTH-O-METER/STATE...
From factcheck.org :
NRA Claim: "Ban Rifle Ammunition Commonly Used for Hunting and Sport Shooting"
FALSE: Obama is not proposing to ban hunting ammunition. And he did not, as claimed in an NRA TV spot featuring a Virginia hunter named Karl Rusch, vote to "ban virtually all deer hunting ammunition." What Obama voted for was a measure to ban "armor-piercing" ammunition, which the measure's sponsor has said repeatedly would not cover hunting ammunition.
NRA Claim: "Ban the Manufacture, Sale and Possession of Handguns"
FALSE: Obama says he does not support any such handgun ban and never has. He supports "reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns" (not manufacture) and has said a ban is not "politically practicable."
NRA Claim: "Mandate a Government-Issued License to Purchase a Firearm"
MISLEADING: Obama indeed has spoken in favor of licensing handguns, but so far as we can determine he hasn't called for registration of hunting weapons. And he's said a national gun registration law isn't politically possible: "I just don't think we can get that done."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_t...
Primary rules of propaganda: Make the LIE BIG. Keep it simple so even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it. Keep repeating it. NEVER admit is was wrong.“THEY are gonna take your guns” fits all the criteria.

But Roy, even assuming that was all true, NONE of it is constitutional in any way.'Shall not be infringed' means just that, no exceptions. It is NOT open to interpretation. What we need to do is to start punishing criminals instead of harassing citizens of the Republic.

[PlacitasRoy]

Armed Veteran wrote:

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BO said he supports our 2nd-A rights, but his voting record on anything closely related to the 2nd-A says exactly the opposite. What ticks me off is the NRA'a campaign has caused firearm and ammo prices to go ballistic.
Funny how history sometimes repeats itself. It is up to us to make sure it never happens...again.

"... Show me proof...any proof, that Obama has EVER supported ANY pro-gun legislation....." Not my job and totally unrelated to the discussion at hand. Not supporting something is not the same as being against it. I never claimed he ever supported any gun legislation. I don't think he has supported any pro-milk, pro-office supplies, pro-barber, pro-football legislation either.

"What ticks me off is the NRA'a campaign has caused firearm and ammo prices to go ballistic." As the gun & ammo manufacturers biggest lobbyist, that's what the NRA is supposed to do.

"Funny how history sometimes repeats itself. It is up to us to make sure it never happens...again." No other democracy has survived 220+ years. The thugs involved in the old "first thing they do is take your guns' canard ruled a population in turmoil with no such tradition, constitution, or counter-balancing political structure.