does tinley need a full time fire dep...

Since: Dec 11

Chicago

#41 May 20, 2012
HEY wrote:
<quoted text> First of all you do not know what you are talking about, Tinley Park has many firefighters who are EMT,s or Paramedics and they work very well with private EMS. Second of all Tinley is a class 3 ISO department that is not only one of the best and most respected in the entire state and they are staffed 27/7 by a part time staff of some of the best firefighters around. To cut it short the village is saving you the tax payer big bucks and the firefighters are giving with their time and hearts, as a full time member of another department I can tell you Tinley Park does a great job and the guys are second to none. When was the last time you got out of bed at 2am when its 10 below zero for about 8 bucks to fight a house fire or respond to an accident on I-80. You want full time paramedics then go to school and when the village does hire someday you have a reason to fill out an application.
Well put my friend
CitizenBrown

New Lenox, IL

#42 May 20, 2012
Yeah 27/7
Anne of Green Gables

Chicago, IL

#43 May 20, 2012
Hey Citizen Brown move out of Tinley if you don't like it..
CitizenBrown

United States

#44 May 20, 2012
Listen Anne, you don't know sh"t about the fire service. So if your the wife of a volleyball, a chief, or a trustee.. Go pound sand!

And "HEY" I do know what it's like to answer the call in the middle of night in a blistering cold blizzard. They go on I-80 and put their engine in a defense mode to block the Trace ambulance. You can go pound sound too!!
CitizenBrown

United States

#45 May 20, 2012
Sand.
truth

Frankfort, IL

#46 May 22, 2012
HEY wrote:
<quoted text>First of all you do not know what you are talking about, Tinley Park has many firefighters who are EMT,s or Paramedics and they work very well with private EMS. Second of all Tinley is a class 3 ISO department that is not only one of the best and most respected in the entire state and they are staffed 27/7 by a part time staff of some of the best firefighters around. To cut it short the village is saving you the tax payer big bucks and the firefighters are giving with their time and hearts, as a full time member of another department I can tell you Tinley Park does a great job and the guys are second to none. When was the last time you got out of bed at 2am when its 10 below zero for about 8 bucks to fight a house fire or respond to an accident on I-80. You want full time paramedics then go to school and when the village does hire someday you have a reason to fill out an application.
Correction hey, you don't know what you are talking about and I will breakdown your statement and add the facts to it. First, yes TP have EMT B&P's but that doesn't matter since they are not dispatched together with every trace call. Secondly, ISO 3 rating is decent, but is certainly not one of the best and most respected in the entire state. Lisle Woodridge (ISO 1) and Normal (ISO 2) would be more than happy to tell you that. Also big insurance company's are no longer giving benefits based on iso ratings (see state farm they haven't done that since 2001). I'll spare you the 27/7 statement. Yes tp have great guys that work full time elsewhere. But, they are not giving their time and hearts for $8/hr you stooge. It's $18/hr. So before you go tough talking people and saying they don't know jack, you might want to do your homework yourself.
no way

United States

#47 May 23, 2012
Allan wrote:
Hmmm. part timers are just volunteers that come in and man the rigs when thay can. Its a long way from career professional!!!!!
a full timer works 3 day a week how many fires a year do they do, volunteer and paid on call people go to as many fires that they can, they don't do for the money. And they do the same job as the full-timers do, just with more pride
no way

United States

#48 May 23, 2012
Anne of Green Gables wrote:
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There is no part of the Tinley Park fire Department that is volunteer. That ended almost 14 years ago. Get your facts straight.
14 years ago Tinley Park didn't need 3 towns to come in a put out a house fire, they should of keep them around
Question

Schaumburg, IL

#49 May 25, 2012
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction hey, you don't know what you are talking about and I will breakdown your statement and add the facts to it. First, yes TP have EMT B&P's but that doesn't matter since they are not dispatched together with every trace call. Secondly, ISO 3 rating is decent, but is certainly not one of the best and most respected in the entire state. Lisle Woodridge (ISO 1) and Normal (ISO 2) would be more than happy to tell you that. Also big insurance company's are no longer giving benefits based on iso ratings (see state farm they haven't done that since 2001). I'll spare you the 27/7 statement. Yes tp have great guys that work full time elsewhere. But, they are not giving their time and hearts for $8/hr you stooge. It's $18/hr. So before you go tough talking people and saying they don't know jack, you might want to do your homework yourself.
You seem to know an awful lot, Imfo Laddie, I spent 36 years as both a full time and volunteer firefighter and would take ANY Tinley Park firefighter with me because on the way into a burning building the last thing ANY firefighter is worried about is a pay check vs the task that faces them. Look at the big picture, firefighters are firefighters no matters what their shoulder patch looks like, we ALL do the same job. Now stating that if you cannot get along with other firefighters and nit pic at other departments remember what an old chief told me many years ago. When you or any other firemen get hurt or trapped some dark night lad and another firemen is dragging your butt out of a building are you going to make him stop and put you down over who,s getting paid and who came from home. I might be wrong about how much the Tinley Park guys make but they provide a service to the community that goes back over 300 years. Their pride vs your poor comments show your ignorance
truth

Frankfort, IL

#50 May 25, 2012
Question wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to know an awful lot, Imfo Laddie, I spent 36 years as both a full time and volunteer firefighter and would take ANY Tinley Park firefighter with me because on the way into a burning building the last thing ANY firefighter is worried about is a pay check vs the task that faces them. Look at the big picture, firefighters are firefighters no matters what their shoulder patch looks like, we ALL do the same job. Now stating that if you cannot get along with other firefighters and nit pic at other departments remember what an old chief told me many years ago. When you or any other firemen get hurt or trapped some dark night lad and another firemen is dragging your butt out of a building are you going to make him stop and put you down over who,s getting paid and who came from home. I might be wrong about how much the Tinley Park guys make but they provide a service to the community that goes back over 300 years. Their pride vs your poor comments show your ignorance
I admire your commitment to the fire service but I'm a little confused on your post.
1- never said anything negative about the firefighters from tp. In fact I said they have some great firefighters there.
2- never said anything about full time vs. contract or part time. I worked volunteer, part time, contract, private ambulance and full time. I don't care what you are, if I'm down in a fire pull me out. Just like I would do for anyone else.
3- I wasn't bashing any firefighter. I was nit picking your false statements. I will agree with you and apologize for the smart azz comments that were not needed.
4- never said anything about pay vs task at hand. I simply was telling you that their pay was $10/hr more than you said. And no I don't care what they make.
So really, your rebuttle had nothing factual in disproving my statement. You just went and a rant that had nothing to do with my post. The only thing you were right on was my attitude in which I apologized for.
Retired Fire Chief

Schaumburg, IL

#51 May 26, 2012
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I admire your commitment to the fire service but I'm a little confused on your post.
1- never said anything negative about the firefighters from tp. In fact I said they have some great firefighters there.
2- never said anything about full time vs. contract or part time. I worked volunteer, part time, contract, private ambulance and full time. I don't care what you are, if I'm down in a fire pull me out. Just like I would do for anyone else.
3- I wasn't bashing any firefighter. I was nit picking your false statements. I will agree with you and apologize for the smart azz comments that were not needed.
4- never said anything about pay vs task at hand. I simply was telling you that their pay was $10/hr more than you said. And no I don't care what they make.
So really, your rebuttle had nothing factual in disproving my statement. You just went and a rant that had nothing to do with my post. The only thing you were right on was my attitude in which I apologized for.
I see your post is from Frankfort and after 40 years in the fire service (the last 26 as a Fire Chief)if you are from Frankfort I can tell you that Jim Grady would not agree with your comments or attitude. If you look back at the history of your own department just a few years back they were known as "The Professional Volunteers" and rightly so. Have some respect for the progression that your department has followed and the Chiefs that brought it to where it is today. A bit of advice, drop the attitude or son your career in the fire service may be a short one, bad attitudes among firefighters spred like wildfire, we chiefs meet and talk often and a bad apple has a hard time finding a home. Comments made in public or on the world wide web about another department or it members can destroy your career.
truth

Frankfort, IL

#52 May 26, 2012
Retired Fire Chief wrote:
<quoted text>I see your post is from Frankfort and after 40 years in the fire service (the last 26 as a Fire Chief)if you are from Frankfort I can tell you that Jim Grady would not agree with your comments or attitude. If you look back at the history of your own department just a few years back they were known as "The Professional Volunteers" and rightly so. Have some respect for the progression that your department has followed and the Chiefs that brought it to where it is today. A bit of advice, drop the attitude or son your career in the fire service may be a short one, bad attitudes among firefighters spred like wildfire, we chiefs meet and talk often and a bad apple has a hard time finding a home. Comments made in public or on the world wide web about another department or it members can destroy your career.
Sorry chief
I do live in Frankfort but never worked there. I choose to live in frankfort because of everything you said. Or at least it played a part in it because i wanted the assurance that if my family was in need, that I know I am
in good hands ( the main reason was good school district). And yes, they do have a great chief. I've been in 2 seminars where he was the key note speaker in and
came away impressed. Chief, I did apologize for the rude behavior twice in my last post. If you want i will apologize again. I am sorry for my inappropriate remarks. But as far as the content, it was pure facts. It didn't say anything bad about the department of tp nor was there any negativity towards the men and women that serve there. Your post was based on pure assumption. Where I work at and where I live are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Sorry if I offended you in anyway way but the facts needed to be stated.
Take care chief and thank you for your service
Anne of Green Gables

Chicago, IL

#53 May 28, 2012
CitizenBrown wrote:
Listen Anne, you don't know sh"t about the fire service. So if your the wife of a volleyball, a chief, or a trustee.. Go pound sand!
And "HEY" I do know what it's like to answer the call in the middle of night in a blistering cold blizzard. They go on I-80 and put their engine in a defense mode to block the Trace ambulance. You can go pound sound too!!
Wow your sexist too! So you think I am the wife of a "Volley, Chief or Trustee"? Just sitting at home cleaning, cooking, caring for the children, and pleasantly waiting in my June Cleaver dress...Get bit! As I said before, Move out of Tinley!!!! Its 2012 females are also on the job.
CookinNCleanin

Blue Island, IL

#54 May 28, 2012
Im a female fire fighter. All I do is dust an clean around the station. They won't let me do the job. I've always been fond of June Cleaver though.
Gus The Fireman

Schaumburg, IL

#55 May 28, 2012
CookinNCleanin wrote:
Im a female fire fighter. All I do is dust an clean around the station. They won't let me do the job. I've always been fond of June Cleaver though.
I would do June in a heartbeat, but last I heard she ran off with Lumpy,s father.
PasserBy

Blue Island, IL

#56 May 28, 2012
The one girl on Tinley, hoops is pretty hot
joe

Oak Lawn, IL

#57 Jul 27, 2012
The citizens of Tinley Park are blind. They pay taxes for the EMS provider. It costs over $400,000 a year. On top.of that. They pay for calling the ambulance. I am a full time firefighter/paramedic in a town up north. I have worked for 3 departments before I settled where I am now. Every dept. I worked for bills the city ot village residents insurance, If they have it. If we got paid from the insurance good, if not, oh well. The residents already pay for the services. People who do not live in the town, they get billed for the full amount. In Tinley, the residents pay the taxes that pay for the contract. Then they also get billed for the full amount. They will be sent to collections if they don't pay. So, they are paying out their ass twice if they call trace. Not to mention the quality of service is horrible. Two medics working a full arrest. You need 4 at minimum. 3 in back and 1 driving. That doesnt happen with trace. 1 medic to do cpr, push drugs, and breath for the patient. No real chance of survival. But as long as the residents are blind to this, it will never go away. I moved out of tinley for that reason. The Fire Dept. Is great. But the EMS is a joke in so many ways. I would never raise my family there knowing the things I know about Trace. They also recently lost a lot of their contracts with the nursing homes and crestwood due to poor care, and lack of knowledge. What does that say about the quality of care the Tinley residents are getting? The fire dept should be doing EMS and a full time dept. For better quality of care. It's worth the extra money for piece of,mind. Trust me. Open your eyes Tinley.residents. your getting screwed.
concerned taxpayer

Mokena, IL

#58 Jul 27, 2012
The question you have to ask is this. Has anything catastrophic occurred because of a part time fire dept and or EMS? The answer is NO!! Actually, lower taxes is what happened and yet the job gets done.

As for multiple depts responding when there is a fire, all towns have this kind of response. It doesn't matter if they are part time or full time. As a matter of fact, Crestwood fire, which is a part time dept, responds to fire calls in other towns when needed.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!

Since: Dec 11

Chicago

#59 Jul 28, 2012
joe wrote:
The citizens of Tinley Park are blind. They pay taxes for the EMS provider. It costs over $400,000 a year. On top.of that. They pay for calling the ambulance. I am a full time firefighter/paramedic in a town up north. I have worked for 3 departments before I settled where I am now. Every dept. I worked for bills the city ot village residents insurance, If they have it. If we got paid from the insurance good, if not, oh well. The residents already pay for the services. People who do not live in the town, they get billed for the full amount. In Tinley, the residents pay the taxes that pay for the contract. Then they also get billed for the full amount. They will be sent to collections if they don't pay. So, they are paying out their ass twice if they call trace. Not to mention the quality of service is horrible. Two medics working a full arrest. You need 4 at minimum. 3 in back and 1 driving. That doesnt happen with trace. 1 medic to do cpr, push drugs, and breath for the patient. No real chance of survival. But as long as the residents are blind to this, it will never go away. I moved out of tinley for that reason. The Fire Dept. Is great. But the EMS is a joke in so many ways. I would never raise my family there knowing the things I know about Trace. They also recently lost a lot of their contracts with the nursing homes and crestwood due to poor care, and lack of knowledge. What does that say about the quality of care the Tinley residents are getting? The fire dept should be doing EMS and a full time dept. For better quality of care. It's worth the extra money for piece of,mind. Trust me. Open your eyes Tinley.residents. your getting screwed.
Lol, sorry buddy you clearly have no idea whats going. You make a lot of assumptions but have absolutely no proof or facts. Some of what you say is true as far as billing. As far as quality of care, or why they lost Crestwood, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. They dont work full arrests with 2 people, lack of knowledge? Your an idiot. I work part time for Trace and full time on a fire department and guess what? I have the same paramedic license at Trace that I do working for a fire department. Don't be such a FD boner, its guys like you that give the rest of those struggling working for the privates a bad name.
joe

Oak Lawn, IL

#60 Jul 28, 2012
TylerDurden9087 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, sorry buddy you clearly have no idea whats going. You make a lot of assumptions but have absolutely no proof or facts. Some of what you say is true as far as billing. As far as quality of care, or why they lost Crestwood, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. They dont work full arrests with 2 people, lack of knowledge? Your an idiot. I work part time for Trace and full time on a fire department and guess what? I have the same paramedic license at Trace that I do working for a fire department. Don't be such a FD boner, its guys like you that give the rest of those struggling working for the privates a bad name.
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I worked for trace for 5 years before I went full.time. in that time, the only time I had help for anything Is when it was so bad, I called in the local FD. I got suspended for doing so! Trace is all about the money. The locals took the pt. And also the billing. I had no choice, it was way more than the two of us could have handled. And for getting better care for a very critical pt. What did I get? 30 day suspension. Real nice. Great quality of care. Scare your paramedics into making a decision that could save the patients life and make it the wring way to handle the situation. Thats great qualities. Definatly not yhe qualities I want to call for any of my family. I have family thst live In Tinley. I have called in Orland for them when an ambulance was,needed. Yes, you can do that. And yes I have done that. I insist that other family members do the same. And they have. I will never use trace again after seeing what really happens behind the scenes. It's Absolutly horrific what they teach there. His help those who call trace. Or call for an ambulance in Tinley.

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