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Reality Speaks

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Then we should repeal the entire criminal code, right?
I would prefer you Mr. Lawyer just enforce the ones on the books

OK sparky

then add to the laws you leave unpunished

swift justice.....remember.....then a crime with a gun is either life in prison, or death. Choice is left up to severity of the crime.

follow the law

it will kill you if you don't
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Then we should repeal the entire criminal code, right?
I forgot to add:

a lawyer would not be necessary at a trial for any gun violence crime.

with a choice of life in prison or death, the court will determine eye for an eye for sure.

you can save money on the lobbyists your fellow lawyers and you pay out to keep the court running.

it won't matter anymore.

you are a hypocrite.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Guns can swim.
if you teach a child to swim, teach them gun safety for the same reason

it will save their life

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Dec 18, 2012
 
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For Fred's and Pops' benefit, lets review.
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I think basically to sum it up is that what George Victor Jefferson Hilliard is saying, without saying it is "Even people born in the U.S. are not Americans unless they are white and it is all those others that commit crimes in America and are responsible for the deterioration of this great Nation."
Woof, woof.
Just sayin.'

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Dec 18, 2012
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I forgot to add:
a lawyer would not be necessary at a trial for any gun violence crime.
with a choice of life in prison or death, the court will determine eye for an eye for sure.
you can save money on the lobbyists your fellow lawyers and you pay out to keep the court running.
it won't matter anymore.
you are a hypocrite.
Stay tuned for statement from NRA on Friday. Things are moving right along. Although I am hpoeful, I am also skeptical the statement will contain any thing other that what you have been saying.

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if you teach a child to swim, teach them gun safety for the same reason
it will save their life
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if you teach a child to swim, teach them gun safety for the same reason
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Dec 18, 2012
 
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About the same as our decades long war on drugs. Now we have the highest percentage of our population locked up in jail compared to the rest of the industrialized world because or recreational narcotics.
Laws don't work on criminals. The reason they are criminals is because they break laws.
Laws don't work on WingNuts either apparently.
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16 Yr-Old Arrested After His Mother Was Found Stuffed In Trash Bin.
Web Results8-Year-Old Arizona Boy Kills Father - CBS News www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-4586103.html
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thank you for making my point.

adults and children need to learn gun safety as much as they do swimming.

it will save their life.
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Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Stay tuned for statement from NRA on Friday. Things are moving right along. Although I am hpoeful, I am also skeptical the statement will contain any thing other that what you have been saying.
did you disagree with what I said?

and if you did ....how so?

you posted tons of links to support what I said about gun safety being taught in schools with instruction; and also swimming lessons.

it will save lives. no guessing ......it will

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95% of felonies commited with guns are done so by admitted democrats.

Why don't we ban democrats?

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Dec 18, 2012
 
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Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
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Over 50,000 homicides and suicides occur each year in the United States (1), making them among the leading causes of death, particularly for young people. In 2001, homicide was the second leading cause of death and suicide the third for persons 15–24 years of age (2). Approximately 60 percent of all homicides and suicides in the United States are committed with a firearm (2).
Although an estimated 40 percent of adults in the United States report keeping a gun in the home for recreational or protective purposes (3), the risks and benefits of this practice are widely disputed in the literature (4, 5). Ecologic analyses have suggested a link between the prevalence of gun ownership and rates of homicide and suicide (6–8) and between regulations restricting access to firearms and rates of homicide and suicide (9–12). Although these studies are useful in demonstrating an association between access to firearms and rates of homicide and suicide at the aggregate level, it is not possible with this methodology to adequately assess whether access to a gun increases the risk of a violent death at the individual level.
To address these limitations, previous researchers have used case-control study methodology to evaluate the relation between gun ownership and risk of a violent death in the home. For example, Kellermann et al.(13, 14) examined the relation between gun ownership and injury outcomes. After they controlled for a number of potentially confounding factors, the presence of a gun in the home was associated with a nearly fivefold risk of suicide (adjusted odds ratio = 4.8)(13) and an almost threefold risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio = 2.7)(14). Other case-control studies have also found an increased risk of suicide for those with firearms in the home, with relative risks ranging from 2.1 to 4.4 (15–19).

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Dec 18, 2012
 
Reality speaks wrote:
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did you disagree with what I said?
and if you did ....how so?
you posted tons of links to support what I said about gun safety being taught in schools with instruction; and also swimming lessons.
it will save lives. no guessing ......it will
Read the Oxford Study. Balance of Study can be found by the link at the top.
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Dec 19, 2012
 
with lazer printers and stun guns coming into the gun powder world we need a nra for more deadly weapons then guns nLa nation LAZER assoc
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Dec 19, 2012
 
lets face it the nRa is taking up market space A REAL WEAPON could use

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Dec 19, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I'm not sure that anyone can follow this argument. I have just 'cruised' the last 3 pages & it looks like a 50 car pile up or a double set of pic-up stix!
Some of these polls or links are too focused/specific to add to the arguments & others are too vague. Interesting tho.
I know, everything got a bit piled up and pushed pretty far from my point!

The argument I wanted to look further at was the idea that limiting guns doesn't stop violent crime, as criminals will find another weapon. Looking at the massive downturn in homicide faced here and in other countries that have instituted gun control, I'm having a difficult time clearly seeing where this argument could gain ground, except in the absence of data.

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Dec 19, 2012
 
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I've never seen such statistics. The statistics I have seen show that criminals are more afraid to commit a crime where people can defend themselves than Victim Zones where they know nobody is armed.
Do explain: how is one less safe with a gun than without during an assault?
Because real studies rarely pretend to fully explain complex, real life interactions and instead compile data and suggest causes in small, incremental steps, there isn't a clear and simple summary of why having a gun in an assault makes you more likely to be shot, only the data showing that you're 4.45 times more likely to be shot of you're carrying a weapon.

Though the authors do very gently suggest rethinking carrying a weapon for safety, especially in areas more likely to be at risk of assault or in domestic violence contexts.
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