Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15797 Dec 16, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me this: did you ever fire a gun in your life? Do you have any experience at all? Because by your response, it seems you have no knowledge of firearms.
The gun I carry on the street is a Smith and Wesson 9 mm. It has a 15 round clip which I keep hollow points in. I can empty that clip in a matter of seconds. If I needed more ammunition, I can drop that clip and put another 15 round clip in less than two seconds. That means I can shoot 30 rounds of ammunition in under 30 seconds. And if you don't know, a 9mm is a handgun.
Now if I were crazed and decided to go on a shooting spree of some kind, then I would purchase more clips and cause the same amount of damage as I could with any other higher powered or larger ammo capacity firearm. I can fit 2 clips in each of my front pockets and two in each of my rear pockets. If I'm wearing a coat, I can store at least seven or eight clips.
In other words, these regulations if enacted would not prevent another school or mall shooting. Stronger doors, armed security guards, video cameras in halls and doorways, yes, that I can see. But reducing the size of clips or caliber of a gun will not stop one similar shooting like this latest one. And it doesn't comfort me that the next shooting only resulted in 18 kids instead of 20. That's not an answer to anything. It's only more government control over our lives.
Aren't stronger doors, armed guards and video cameras more government control over our lives?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15798 Dec 16, 2012
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> Now that being said, there is NO reason that the average citizen does NOT need a Tommy Gun or RPG but since the Founders as a group had no possible way to imagine such weapons, I have no problem with SCOTUS or the legislators limiting possession of such weapons. Bugsy Malone & Al Capone etc gave good reasons for such limitations.
Read this back to yourself. Now, ask yourself why people don't know what the hell you are trying to say. Instead of getting defensive, perhaps you should work on your writing a little bit.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#15799 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh really, professor?
When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-pe...
at your own risk

please read that knowingly selling to a person who violates gun sale rules is against the law.

get back to class....you have plenty to learn.

glad I could point you to the law you missed is your fantasy law school.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15800 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren't stronger doors, armed guards and video cameras more government control over our lives?
No, not if people want it, and I'm sure very few parents would object. Besides, school security is a local issue and not a federal one. Any concerned parent can contact their local Councilman and discuss the issue. They can put it to a vote be it video cameras, armed security guards, security company or various other things. If people are willing to pay for it, then it's their money to spend.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15801 Dec 16, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
at your own risk
please read that knowingly selling to a person who violates gun sale rules is against the law.
get back to class....you have plenty to learn.
glad I could point you to the law you missed is your fantasy law school.
You said you had to document it, professor. But you don't, do ya? Yet another of your brilliant proclamations. The list keeps growing.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15802 Dec 16, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, not if people want it, and I'm sure very few parents would object. Besides, school security is a local issue and not a federal one. Any concerned parent can contact their local Councilman and discuss the issue. They can put it to a vote be it video cameras, armed security guards, security company or various other things. If people are willing to pay for it, then it's their money to spend.
You don't know how public schools are governed, do you?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#15803 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You said you had to document it, professor. But you don't, do ya? Yet another of your brilliant proclamations. The list keeps growing.
your list is so long that it would take days to document.

the rule you posted is a revision from original

prior to 1968 you had to do nothing
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15804 Dec 16, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
your list is so long that it would take days to document.
the rule you posted is a revision from original
prior to 1968 you had to do nothing
What?
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15805 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
What if you sell a gun to one of your teabagging buddies, professor?
YOU have a point, Most of my weapons have been traded for, or predate 1968. That is one big reason why trying to find & or consficate personal privately owned weapons would be all but totally fruitless. Only the honest non-offending would turn in their weapons, the criminal & deranged would NOT turn in weapons. Then the honest & sane would be defenseless!!
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15806 Dec 16, 2012
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll catch this one!
Travel is seen both as a first amendment protection (freedom of movement being tied to freedom of association and expression) and has been cited as falling under fifth amendment concerns, as limiting the ability to move freely has been read by the courts as part of the "liberty" listed in the fifth amendment protections.
If you're interested, there are some interesting cases on travel and free movement as a constitutional issue I could try and hunt up, if you like.
TY. Understood & accepted

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15807 Dec 16, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me this: did you ever fire a gun in your life? Do you have any experience at all? Because by your response, it seems you have no knowledge of firearms.
The gun I carry on the street is a Smith and Wesson 9 mm. It has a 15 round clip which I keep hollow points in. I can empty that clip in a matter of seconds. If I needed more ammunition, I can drop that clip and put another 15 round clip in less than two seconds. That means I can shoot 30 rounds of ammunition in under 30 seconds. And if you don't know, a 9mm is a handgun.
Now if I were crazed and decided to go on a shooting spree of some kind, then I would purchase more clips and cause the same amount of damage as I could with any other higher powered or larger ammo capacity firearm. I can fit 2 clips in each of my front pockets and two in each of my rear pockets. If I'm wearing a coat, I can store at least seven or eight clips.
In other words, these regulations if enacted would not prevent another school or mall shooting. Stronger doors, armed security guards, video cameras in halls and doorways, yes, that I can see. But reducing the size of clips or caliber of a gun will not stop one similar shooting like this latest one. And it doesn't comfort me that the next shooting only resulted in 18 kids instead of 20. That's not an answer to anything. It's only more government control over our lives.
You are aware that shooter of Gabrielle Giffords was tackled and restrained from killing more people as he attempted to replace his emptied magazine. Right?
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15808 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren't stronger doors, armed guards and video cameras more government control over our lives?
IF ordered by law...YES...IF the alarm or camera info goes to the government...YES it would be. Then there's the fact that many rifles have 3 - 10 round clips/magazines but have 25, 50 or even 100 rnd clips/magazines available that did NOT require recording of the sale although the factory weapon is/was 100% legal at the time of sale. There is absolutely NO way to recind those previous unrecorded lawful sales in 10 lifetimes.
Then there is the pump/semi-automatic shotgun. One that I own was made in the 50's that I traded for by a company that no longer exist & I am NOT the only person in such a position.
The government has NO reason to fear firearms in public hands unless they violate the 2nd amendment. OR the 3rd amendment OR the 4th amendment OR the 5th amendment etc etc.
In fact, the 2nd amendment was written to guard against such infringement of all other rights. That is why the 2nd amendment is worded so succiently (sp)
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15809 Dec 16, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know how public schools are governed, do you?
Yes I do. Schools are governed by the school board which are local elected officials to run them. They are funded by city or township tax dollars. At times, state funds are needed for further help. Federal government at times are involved too such as school lunch programs and perhaps school vouchers. However, the federal government is not involved with security at schools. Again, a local issue to be funded by city or township taxpayers if they should opt to do so.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15810 Dec 16, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
You are aware that shooter of Gabrielle Giffords was tackled and restrained from killing more people as he attempted to replace his emptied magazine. Right?
Okay, so what is your point? If he had smaller magazines, would that have prevented this murder attempt on Giffords? You do know that he was using a simple handgun and not an assault weapon--do you not?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#15811 Dec 16, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Certainly you must be to make that ridiculous comparison. And in the future, if you don't have the maturity to reply without insults, then don't reply at all and do us both a favor.
You're freedom to travel is a fundamental Constitutional right guaranteed under the Privileges and Immunities Clause, the First Amendment, and the Citizenship Clause of 14th Amendment.

But it still may be reasonably regulated/restricted by the states commensurate to the implied governmental interest at stake.

woof
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#15812 Dec 16, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
You're freedom to travel is a fundamental Constitutional right guaranteed under the Privileges and Immunities Clause, the First Amendment, and the Citizenship Clause of 14th Amendment.
But it still may be reasonably regulated/restricted by the states commensurate to the implied governmental interest at stake.
woof
the 2nd amendment protects your 1st amendment rights.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#15813 Dec 16, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
the 2nd amendment protects your 1st amendment rights.
And Congress or the State Legislatures may Constitutionally restrict/regulate the fundamental rights provided for under both, under certain circumstances.

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15814 Dec 16, 2012
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>YOU have a point, Most of my weapons have been traded for, or predate 1968. That is one big reason why trying to find & or consficate personal privately owned weapons would be all but totally fruitless. Only the honest non-offending would turn in their weapons, the criminal & deranged would NOT turn in weapons. Then the honest & sane would be defenseless!!
I haven't heard anyone suggest that people should be forced to turn in weapons.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15815 Dec 16, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, so what is your point? If he had smaller magazines, would that have prevented this murder attempt on Giffords? You do know that he was using a simple handgun and not an assault weapon--do you not?
Simple handgun with a 33 round clip, XX. That is an assault weapon, I believe.

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Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15816 Dec 16, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
the 2nd amendment protects your 1st amendment rights.
Actually, Article III does that.

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