Park board tells airplane club to tak...

Park board tells airplane club to take off

There are 143 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Jun 23, 2008, titled Park board tells airplane club to take off. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

A model airplane club that flies at the Summit County Fairgrounds needs to find a new home, the chairwoman of the Metro Parks, Serving Summit County, board said Monday.

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Listen up

Cleveland, OH

#132 Jun 30, 2008
County Council will be discussing the issue at their meeting tonight. Vote out Judge Spicer so we can overhaul the Park Board with more community minded people. It's time for a change.
Why now

Monticello, GA

#133 Jun 30, 2008
I never had a problem with the model planes on the weekends my child & hundreds of others played soccer on the Tallmadge fields. You could hear and see the planes north of the soccer fields but I don't recall any flyovers! They stayed in their area. If there wasn't a safety issue then, why now?
aboud

UAE

#134 Jun 30, 2008
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N8MKR

Canton, OH

#135 Jul 1, 2008
Listen up wrote:
County Council will be discussing the issue at their meeting tonight. Vote out Judge Spicer so we can overhaul the Park Board with more community minded people. It's time for a change.
Any word on how the matter went at council?
brickyak

Akron, OH

#136 Jul 1, 2008
XDEM wrote:
<quoted text>
The area was never used in the past you tool. It will now be a public park. Let one of them lose control and injury one of your family members and then see what you think.
This is a prime example of where our country is today. Fifty years ago this NEVER would have been an issue. All anyone wants to do today is worry about what might or could happen and how they can benefit from it. There really is a simple solution. It is a park, the club should stay and people walk at their own risk. Is it really any different than walking in the woods a twisting your ankle or maybe breaking a leg? The fact that there is even a discussion about seperating the two just blows my mind. If everyone would just worry about themselves the world would be a much better place.
Why now

Monticello, GA

#137 Jul 1, 2008
The model planes are probably flown more safely than some people drive. I bet the club members aren't busy texting on their cell phones while flying the planes!
N8MKR

Canton, OH

#138 Jul 1, 2008
Why now wrote:
The model planes are probably flown more safely than some people drive. I bet the club members aren't busy texting on their cell phones while flying the planes!
You've got that right!!
Metro Parks User

Akron, OH

#139 Jul 2, 2008
XDEM wrote:
These type of planes are not allowed in the parks for safety reasons. Let them find another spot to play.
If not in the parks, then where? Your back yard?

Carving out some space for an organization that's been using it for 38 years won't hurt the operations of a park district that already has 33 miles of paved trails throughout 9,000 acres of land.

Explain why we need one more trail?

If the Metro Parks board can't be trusted to use rational thought in making decisions about our public lands, then can we trust them with our public funds?

Since: Jun 08

Hartselle, AL

#140 Jul 3, 2008
Depending on the Metro Parks Commissioner's decision regarding this issue it might be time to replace Judge Spicer with what will hopefully be a judge that will appoint a more progressive minded parks commission.

I appreciate the fact that the park commission job is a totally volunteer position and labor of love. However, they need to be more than just a rubber stamp for Keith Shy. A new batch of commissioners may realize that Shy is not their guy and take the necessary action.

Voters have short memories and the parks renewal levy is still years away but it doesn't take a lot of people to effectively remind the voters of past errors. God willing, I will be around to remind them of this one.
Absolutely

Oceola, OH

#141 Jul 7, 2008
I could not agree more. Start at the source. Replace Spicer.
RC pilot

Brewster, MA

#142 Jul 25, 2008
XDEM wrote:
These type of planes are not allowed in the parks for safety reasons. Let them find another spot to play.
First off, there really is no other place to fly, second, each person in the club , has 1.5 million dollar insurance policy, due to their mandatory membership in the AMA (academy of model aeronautics) IN ADDITION, these planes are not very dangerous. You are more likely to be hit by lightening than be hit with on of these planes. It is, sadly, a dieng hobby that we should try to preserve.
RC pilot

Brewster, MA

#143 Jul 25, 2008
also, I am on vacation in cape cod, I am actually a citezen of Hudson, ohio, as well as a member of the club that is in jeopardy, I not a citezen of hyannis.
ama_eaa

AOL

#144 Jul 27, 2008
Keep the 38 year flying Club at fairgrounds.
What about support from EAA? Anyone know WHO at
Oshkosk event, Groups?

Even at EAA Oshkosk
Great Family Fun
One of the more popular KidVenture activities is radio-controlled (RC) flying, but in years past it's been mostly a spectator sport. This year the kids get to try them out themselves thanks to the use of "buddy boxes." Students will be able to hold and operate RC transmitters and fly the airplanes, while instructors stand by with other boxes that can override the students.'
Explorer

Akron, OH

#145 Jul 28, 2008
RC pilot wrote:
also, I am on vacation in cape cod, I am actually a citezen of Hudson, ohio, as well as a member of the club that is in jeopardy, I not a citezen of hyannis.
I graduated from Hudson and I am sure most of the people living there like myself are appalled at the fact you call Hudson home and spell the way you do. I mean seriously, your mistakes are 2nd grade flaws lol. However I do support the RC club, I just find it hard to believe you are from Hudson LMAO.
trashbug

Mansfield, OH

#146 Aug 1, 2008
I hope I donít fall off this soap box and break something butÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ.

I donít believe any decision will be made by the Metro Parks Commissioners until after the November election. After the election you can pretty much count on them backing Keith Shy in his effort to make it impossible for the Corsair Model Aircraft Club to fly at the Summit County Fairgrounds.

They donít want any backlash to spill over on Judge Spicer who is the person that appointed them and could if he wanted to, remove them. Judge Spicer is running for reelection in November.

FIY, Judge Spicer is a Republican, the three ladies he appointed to the Metro Parks commissioners post are staunch Republicans and smart money says Keith Shy is a Republican. The nuts never fall far from the tree. This really is an issue of right and wrong and not one of politics. Unfortunately, because of the way the cards have been dealt the only remedy I see is at the ballot box. I donít know if Judge Stormer will do anything to solve this problem but voting her into office is the place to start if you have any interest in righting this wrong. This smells almost as bad as some of the eminent domain problems Iíve seen in the past few years.

Personally I have decided to wait until September 1, to give the Commissioners a fair chance to make a decision favorable to the CMAC. If they have made no decision by that time or have made a decision to back Mr. Shy in kicking out the CMAC from the home they have enjoyed for 38 years I ask all of you, your family, friends and acquaintancesí to join me in supporting Judge Stormer in an effort to get Judge Spicer out of office and then the Metro Parks commissioners and Director as well.

http://www.judgestormer.com/

From now until after the November election you will likely see this message or one similar to it in as many places as I can get it printed or posted. It would give me great pleasure if you would write your own note or copy this one and post it wherever you can!
Grew up at the field

Barberton, OH

#147 Sep 6, 2008
My Dad has been a member of the Corsair Model Aircraft Club for as long as I can remember. My sister and I spent many happy summer days at the field watching the planes, helping Dad and the guys put planes together for flight, and cleaning them after. Everyone I have ever met there was friendly and super nice. I have taken many friends and family members there over the years to their many events. I am grown now, but still go at least a dozen times a year to see Dad fly and re-aquaint with 'The Guys'. The flying field is a fun place for so many, It's amazing that three people are going to take it all away. Judge Spicer (who supports the three commisioners) will not get my vote this November.
trashbug

Mansfield, OH

#148 Oct 22, 2008
Why did the Akron Beacon Journal endorse Spicer over Stormer for Probate Judge? I've sorted the information presented by the BJ on Oct. 9, 2008
http://www.ohio.com/editorial/opinions/306715...
Let's figure this one out based on what the BJ knows about the candidates.
Judge Spicerís plus column:
1. He has been an outstanding judge in many ways.(opinion)
2. He continues to be a leader in shaping state guardianship laws. He remains an able administrator, a most important aspect of the job in handling wills and estates. He has risen to the occasion in difficult end-of-life matters.(opinion)
3. He takes seriously other duties, including appointments to the Metro Parks board.(An opinion)
Judge Spicerís negative column:
1. Spicer also has permitted excessive partisanship to infect the court.(fact)
2. In 2005, the Ohio Supreme Court reprimanded Spicer for professional misconduct stemming from campaign ads attacking his opponent in 2002.(fact)
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/communications_...
3. This episode wasn't the first involving the apparent intersection of partisanship and the court.(fact)
4. Worth emphasis is that Arshinkoff worked with Joe Masich, then and now Spicer's top assistant. All three, judge, assistant and political boss, sullied the office.(fact)
Judge Stormerís plus column:
1. Stormer is intelligent, energetic and accomplished.(opinion)
2. Stormer would bring fresh eyes and a record of achievement.(opinion)
3. She has shown much administrative skill.(opinion)
4. She helped revamp the probation department.(opinion)
5. She has been innovative.(opinion)
6. Launched a drug court at the municipal level to a re-entry court for those leaving prison and looking to build a productive life.(fact)
7. She has many proposals for the probate court, for instance, a citizenís advisory board.(fact)
Judge Stormerís negative column:
1. At the same time, her candidacy carries a splash of political payback.(opinion)
2. You almost hear Democratic minds turning (opinion)
3. She has little experience in probate law.(opinion. That she has LESS experience would most likely be fact.)
Here are the facts presented by the Beacon Journal endorsement
Judge Spicer
1. Has permitted excessive partisanship to infect the court.
2. In 2005 the Ohio Supreme Court reprimanded Spicer for professional misconduct.
3. This episode wasn't the first.
4. Arshinkoff worked with Joe Masich, then and now Spicer's top assistant. All three, judge, assistant and political boss, sullied the office.
Judge Stormer
1. Launched a drug court at the municipal level to a re-entry court for those leaving prison and looking to build a productive life.
2. Has many proposals for the probate court, for instance, a citizenís advisory board.
The Bottom Line
Using the information contained in the Akron Beacon Journal endorsement of Judge Spicer over Judge Stormer, If we add the plusís and minusís for each candidate, we come up with a plus 4 for Stormer and a minus 1 for Spicer. Based on the information contained in the BJ article It looks like Stormer is the better choice.
Disregarding opinions itís even more decisive with Stormer receiving a plus 2 with Spicer at a minus 4. I have to wonder how the BJ came to their conclusion!
Although Judge Spicer has been in office for many years the only compelling reason for him to remain in office is his length of service. Unfortunately his length of service is also the reason he must go. Too often politicians become complacent and forget their responsibility to ALL the people in their community. It is also unfortunate that any judge would make decisions like the ones appointing the Summit County Metroparks Commissioners which I believe were based more on political connections than abilities.

Judge Stormer should have the opportunity rid our Probate Court of excessive partisan politics.
trashbug

Mansfield, OH

#149 Oct 22, 2008
Why did the Akron Beacon Journal endorse Spicer over Stormer for Probate Judge? I've sorted the information presented by the BJ on Oct. 9, 2008
http://www.ohio.com/editorial/opinions/306715...
Let's figure this one out based on what the BJ knows about the candidates.
Judge Spicerís plus column:
1. He has been an outstanding judge in many ways.(opinion)
2. He continues to be a leader in shaping state guardianship laws. He remains an able administrator, a most important aspect of the job in handling wills and estates. He has risen to the occasion in difficult end-of-life matters.(opinion)
3. He takes seriously other duties, including appointments to the Metro Parks board.(An opinion)
Judge Spicerís negative column:
1. Spicer also has permitted excessive partisanship to infect the court.(fact)
2. In 2005, the Ohio Supreme Court reprimanded Spicer for professional misconduct stemming from campaign ads attacking his opponent in 2002.(fact)
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/communications_...
3. This episode wasn't the first involving the apparent intersection of partisanship and the court.(fact)
4. Worth emphasis is that Arshinkoff worked with Joe Masich, then and now Spicer's top assistant. All three, judge, assistant and political boss, sullied the office.(fact)
Judge Stormerís plus column:
1. Stormer is intelligent, energetic and accomplished.(opinion)
2. Stormer would bring fresh eyes and a record of achievement.(opinion)
3. She has shown much administrative skill.(opinion)
4. She helped revamp the probation department.(opinion)
5. She has been innovative.(opinion)
6. Launched a drug court at the municipal level to a re-entry court for those leaving prison and looking to build a productive life.(fact)
7. She has many proposals for the probate court, for instance, a citizenís advisory board.(fact)
Judge Stormerís negative column:
1. At the same time, her candidacy carries a splash of political payback.(opinion)
2. You almost hear Democratic minds turning (opinion)
3. She has little experience in probate law.(opinion. That she has LESS experience would most likely be fact.)
Here are the facts presented by the Beacon Journal endorsement
Judge Spicer
1. Has permitted excessive partisanship to infect the court.
2. In 2005 the Ohio Supreme Court reprimanded Spicer for professional misconduct.
3. This episode wasn't the first.
4. Arshinkoff worked with Joe Masich, then and now Spicer's top assistant. All three, judge, assistant and political boss, sullied the office.
Judge Stormer
1. Launched a drug court at the municipal level to a re-entry court for those leaving prison and looking to build a productive life.
2. Has many proposals for the probate court, for instance, a citizenís advisory board.
The Bottom Line
Using the information contained in the Akron Beacon Journal endorsement of Judge Spicer over Judge Stormer, If we add the plusís and minusís for each candidate, we come up with a plus 4 for Stormer and a minus 1 for Spicer. Based on the information contained in the BJ article It looks like Stormer is the better choice.
Disregarding opinions itís even more decisive with Stormer receiving a plus 2 with Spicer at a minus 4. I have to wonder how the BJ came to their conclusion!
Although Judge Spicer has been in office for many years the only compelling reason for him to remain in office is his length of service. Unfortunately his length of service is also the reason he must go. Too often politicians become complacent and forget their responsibility to ALL the people in their community. It is also unfortunate that any judge would make decisions like the ones appointing the Summit County Metroparks Commissioners which I believe were based more on political connections than abilities.

Judge Stormer should have the opportunity rid our Probate Court of excessive partisan politics.
PLANE FLYER

Mansfield, OH

#150 Feb 16, 2010
Captain Cleanup wrote:
<quoted text>
And I thought I was the only one turned away with a metal detector. Cleveland metro has no problem with metral detectors--neither do PA state parks.
As I said, Keith Shy is sitting on a wealth of local history--what a waste!!!
I HEARD SOMONE RETIRED AND CAME BACK TO WORK,THAT WOULD BE THE WEALTH.
Educated Person

Warren, OH

#151 Mar 14, 2010
This is comical. It gave me a good laugh. Corsair Model Airplane Club calls their previous home "little Nazi Hitlers" because they can't fly there anymore. It's like telling someone who gave you free money they are a "little Nazi Hitler" because they won't continue to do so. How about a "Thank You" for allowing it up til 2009 (39 years)? It doesn't make sense to have them fly there anyway. The CMAC field manual even states (and I quote), "A model in flight can be a lethal projectile". Additionally, you may argue well it's the pilot not the airplane - not according to CMAC who states, "The skill of the pilot is only one very small component in the entire system." It's quite obvious to anyone with a brain risk is involved with the model airplanes not to mention when they crash the spill fuel and leave metal and plastic at the crash site - contaminating the MetroParks. This is contrary to the stated goal of the MetroParks which is conservation and passive recreation. Key word - passive. Fly your toys in your backyard if you're so worried about it. Hell - "Voice of Reason" - let them fly in YOUR backyard? And when a little kid gets killed the family can sue YOU. Sounds good to me, how about you? One last note: CMAC has the stated purpose of building partnerships with the community - that's funny... starting a "no tax levy 2014" campaign is best for the community and for community relationships. That's right - we'll just rip down the parks and build on them. That's the best thing here. Wow - so closed minded. Disgusting - I hope CMAC closes THEIR doors - they disgust me.

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