Ohio man pleads guilty to planning gi...

Ohio man pleads guilty to planning girls' torture

There are 27 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Sep 3, 2009, titled Ohio man pleads guilty to planning girls' torture. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

An Ohio man has pleaded guilty in Miami to charges that he planned to submerge two young girls in water until they became unconscious for his own sexual pleasure.

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Ohio lawyer

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#21 Sep 3, 2009
God wrote:
Ummm, excuse me, the man arranged to 'dunk two girls' who don't exist;
With a woman who isn't really the mother of the non-existent girls, she's a police officer posing as a mother of two.
Those are the facts.
So, in reality, he is getting twenty years for a thought crime.
Thank you. My point entirely. Anyone who thinks he really faced a possible 90 years is naive. He revealed a sick fetish. It isnt clear he did much more at all -- or even would have.
Dee

Zanesville, OH

#22 Sep 4, 2009
earplugs wrote:
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He didn't do anything? Really? Oh I think he did, he solicited a woman that he knew had two children, paid her $501 in exchange to watch them drown!!! That would suggest to me that he did plenty to deserve 20 years!!!
Leave it to an attorney to believe he didn't do anything!!!
Okay, What did the mother get???
Discusted

United States

#23 Sep 4, 2009
Ohio lawyer wrote:
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Thank you. My point entirely. Anyone who thinks he really faced a possible 90 years is naive. He revealed a sick fetish. It isnt clear he did much more at all -- or even would have.
How about pleading guilty, admitting what he was intending to do!! Isn't that like attempting, I believe he was going through the paces to do it by going there and paying the agent $501. Would you have felt better had he actually drowned someone...let's start you you lawyers.
God

Powell, OH

#24 Sep 6, 2009
Discusted wrote:
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How about pleading guilty, admitting what he was intending to do!! Isn't that like attempting, I believe he was going through the paces to do it by going there and paying the agent $501.
Going through the paces to dunk two girls who don't exist would make it impossible for him to ever actually do it. I am sorry, but intending or not, no one can do anything to anyone who doesn't exist.

Attempting to do it would require the pervert to actually have the two girls in his possession, preparing the water tank to dunk them in, and then before or perhaps during the process of actually dunking one of them, being interrupted. That would be actually 'attempting'.

As this case exists right now, the state will be hard-pressed to produce two under-age girls; they don't exist. When the state calls the victim(s) to the stand, they will call an over 40 police woman. That is who he was soliciting. She was proposing to 'sell' the services of her non-existent children.

This is a thought-crime. As abhorrent as most people find this weirdo's fetish, he did not commit the act and in this situation never would have nor could have. It's no different than getting really mad at someone who doesn't exist and spending two weeks thinking of ways to get revenge, telling a stranger who happens to be a police officer, never actually doing anything, but then getting arrested for actually doing it.

That's not justice; That's dangerous. Simply because one finds this more morally repugnant and refuses to see it in the same light, it won't be long before one may be prosecuted for far less thought crimes.

Don't think it can't happen. It can and it will. Many of you are begging for it right now.
ohio lawyer

Columbus, OH

#25 Sep 8, 2009
God wrote:
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Going through the paces to dunk two girls who don't exist would make it impossible for him to ever actually do it. I am sorry, but intending or not, no one can do anything to anyone who doesn't exist.
Attempting to do it would require the pervert to actually have the two girls in his possession, preparing the water tank to dunk them in, and then before or perhaps during the process of actually dunking one of them, being interrupted. That would be actually 'attempting'.
As this case exists right now, the state will be hard-pressed to produce two under-age girls; they don't exist. When the state calls the victim(s) to the stand, they will call an over 40 police woman. That is who he was soliciting. She was proposing to 'sell' the services of her non-existent children.
This is a thought-crime. As abhorrent as most people find this weirdo's fetish, he did not commit the act and in this situation never would have nor could have. It's no different than getting really mad at someone who doesn't exist and spending two weeks thinking of ways to get revenge, telling a stranger who happens to be a police officer, never actually doing anything, but then getting arrested for actually doing it.
That's not justice; That's dangerous. Simply because one finds this more morally repugnant and refuses to see it in the same light, it won't be long before one may be prosecuted for far less thought crimes.
Don't think it can't happen. It can and it will. Many of you are begging for it right now.
I was totally disgusted when Ron OBrien charged a guy for writing fantasies in his diary, and the lawyer who represented that defendant should be working at White Castle. There's a little more to this set of facts, but stories that he was "facing 90 years" are absurd. As are any claims that 20 years when nothing happened is a light sentence.
Gloria F

Jenera, OH

#26 Sep 14, 2009
"Twenty years is a large chunk of adult lifetime"? What if one of the girls had died? Wouldn't that be a BIGGER chunk of lifetime?? What about the fact that it was against their will - I seriously doubt they hopped in the tub and asked to be almost drowned and raped.
concerned momma

Plano, IL

#27 Mar 10, 2010
earplugs wrote:
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He didn't do anything? Really? Oh I think he did, he solicited a woman that he knew had two children, paid her $501 in exchange to watch them drown!!! That would suggest to me that he did plenty to deserve 20 years!!!
Leave it to an attorney to believe he didn't do anything!!!
I entirely agree with you. He pretty much planned those childrens death. Yea maybe it didn't happen, but what if it was a real person on the other side, two innocent children would be dead due to his disgusting ways. And to the lawyer, you are also one sorry excuse for a man. People like you should be in prison right next to him. Hell I think 20 years is not enough, he should have gotten life. What a disgusting person for even thinking that way. I have a daughter myself, and I would never put her through anything that would ever cause her any kind of pain. You should not be a lawyer!

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