After publishing findings that show Americans are earning less ...

SPEAKING OF . . . After publishing findings that show Americans are earning less than their parents, the Beacon Journal invited readers to participate in focus groups. Full Story
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harmon

Willoughby, OH

#2 May 25, 2008
It seems clear to me that the big corporations have given the good paying jobs our fathers and mothers had to foreign workers to increase their paycheck. The unions have been busted and an honest days wage is not to be found.

The worst part is that most of the old jobs are now being given to communist workers in China, the new age slaves.

It took our government 30 years to pass child labor laws, they may never pass or even consider anti-communist labor laws.

The only answer is to pressure our elected officials to help us.

Next time congress votes themselves a raise or increases their medical and retirement benafits think about voting them out!

Only the voters can save America!
Old Man Grump

Akron, OH

#4 May 25, 2008
With no new manufacturing jobs being created, why would you expect high paying jobs to stay in the Northeast Ohio rust belt? Everything is moving toward service industries in Northeast Ohio which pay 1/2 of what manufacturing does. China & Mexico have taken all the good paying manufacturing jobs. Get a good Ohio college education and MOVE to where the jobs. What a sad thing to say to your kids.
Ha ha ha

United States

#6 May 25, 2008
Old Man Grump wrote:
With no new manufacturing jobs being created, why would you expect high paying jobs to stay in the Northeast Ohio rust belt? Everything is moving toward service industries in Northeast Ohio which pay 1/2 of what manufacturing does. China & Mexico have taken all the good paying manufacturing jobs. Get a good Ohio college education and MOVE to where the jobs. What a sad thing to say to your kids.
You said it right, man. It hurts like sh@# but you are right on the money. If you want your kids to have not a life, but any kind of life, they must be great in school (straight As at least, Cs and Bs won't cut it), they MUST attend college to get at least a Masters degree (a Bachelor's degree is an extraodrinary expensive NOTHING these days and a Ph.D. is a waste of 5 years of their lives), they must know Spanish and Mandarin, and be willing to leave the good old USA. The present and future are not here. They are in Russia, China, India and Brasil. The rest is nothing but memories from a great past. Sad, very sad. See, you made me speak from the heart. Let me go back to myself now. Ha ha ha, we are sooo scre...
AkronLaw

Willoughby, OH

#7 May 25, 2008
This is the truth. I'm 24 years old and grew up with the illusion of working hard, earning a degree, getting a good job, and living the American dream. Now I have two degrees, I drive 35 miles each way for a $30k a year job, I have a student loan bill that dwarfs my mortgage payment (buying was cheaper than renting), and I drive a decade old truck. Had someone been honest with me 6 years ago, I would have become a mechanic.

Seriously folks, if you want a decent paying job in Ohio, go to nursing school...
marieb

United States

#9 May 25, 2008
harmon wrote:
It seems clear to me that the big corporations have given the good paying jobs our fathers and mothers had to foreign workers to increase their paycheck. The unions have been busted and an honest days wage is not to be found.
The worst part is that most of the old jobs are now being given to communist workers in China, the new age slaves.
It took our government 30 years to pass child labor laws, they may never pass or even consider anti-communist labor laws.
The only answer is to pressure our elected officials to help us.
Next time congress votes themselves a raise or increases their medical and retirement benafits think about voting them out!
Only the voters can save America!
You're absolutely right, however there's more. I believe our education systems contributed greatly to this problem over the last 30 years. In the interest of "equal outcome" and not wanting the "dummies" to feel bad, they lowered the standards to the lowest common denominator. We now have high school graduates who can't read or write or do math. I heard on a talk show recently an owner of a construction company say he used to go the local high schools trying to get young men to work for him in the summer. He said many of them didn't even know how to use a ruler and were untrainable. He got better results from illegal aliens. Also, many of these corporations go overseas, not because of wages, but because all the environmental and labor laws are just too restrictive and costly. Corporations are in business to make money and their first obligation is to their shareholders. If they don't show a profit, shareholders, such as our pension plans and 401K's would pull out and the corporation would go out of business. So before we lay all the blame on corporations, let's look at our lawmakers and their "good intentions".
Something Wicked

Stow, OH

#10 May 25, 2008
marieb wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely right, however there's more. I believe our education systems contributed greatly to this problem over the last 30 years. In the interest of "equal outcome" and not wanting the "dummies" to feel bad, they lowered the standards to the lowest common denominator. We now have high school graduates who can't read or write or do math. I heard on a talk show recently an owner of a construction company say he used to go the local high schools trying to get young men to work for him in the summer. He said many of them didn't even know how to use a ruler and were untrainable. He got better results from illegal aliens. Also, many of these corporations go overseas, not because of wages, but because all the environmental and labor laws are just too restrictive and costly. Corporations are in business to make money and their first obligation is to their shareholders. If they don't show a profit, shareholders, such as our pension plans and 401K's would pull out and the corporation would go out of business. So before we lay all the blame on corporations, let's look at our lawmakers and their "good intentions".
Universities are contributing to this mess, especially in N.E. Ohio. They want to continually build and raise tuition at every corner. They give scholarships to athletes and foreign students. Just last year, UA gave three full scholarships to foreign students, from North H.S. in Akron.
When colleges and our elected officials de-value their own people, millions will realize we are living the life our grandparents did, not our parents.
isaiditdealwithi t

Canal Fulton, OH

#11 May 25, 2008
AkronLaw wrote:
This is the truth. I'm 24 years old and grew up with the illusion of working hard, earning a degree, getting a good job, and living the American dream. Now I have two degrees, I drive 35 miles each way for a $30k a year job, I have a student loan bill that dwarfs my mortgage payment (buying was cheaper than renting), and I drive a decade old truck. Had someone been honest with me 6 years ago, I would have become a mechanic.
Seriously folks, if you want a decent paying job in Ohio, go to nursing school...
Unfortunetly, honesty is not the best policy when these schools want to promote higher education and not traditional occupations, that's what they get PAID to do. I mean, you don't think a school wants to turn out nothing but those dirty occupation truck drivers and crane operaters do you (sarcasm).
Under a dead Ohio sky

Cleveland, OH

#12 May 25, 2008
Welcome to Free Trade and globalization! The only path for Ohio and America, under current leadership, is to come down to the rest of the world's living standards. The overall leadership of our country is controlled not by democrats or republicans, but by corporations and bankers. These puppet masters have figured out how to castrate America's will and con us out of our liberty.

Communism is the great evil right? Look again! Capitalism, globalism, free trade and corporate run government, have all overcome communism as the greatest evil.

We are living through the great deinvestment of America. How does it feel to be the world's police force for corporations that decided to maximize profit and set up shop outside the USA?
william_cody

Salem, OH

#13 May 25, 2008
Toby Galownia wrote:
to: mark nicol, 49, of uniontown.
$8 an hour in 1979 was a really good wage. i worked this year at Myers in Wadsworth for $7.50 per hour. needless to say i consider the managers of that type of company to be slavers.
..........if you made 7.50 an hour this year then go to the nearest mirror and take a look....the guy looking back at you is the guy responsible for you having made such a low wage.
Your inability to compete on a level playing field is cause for you to be of so little value to society. go to school, learn a trade, move....that would be a start. NE ohio is the pits, but not all of us pissed away our youth.
Under a dead Ohio sky

Cleveland, OH

#14 May 25, 2008
william_cody - a more insensitive assinine comment would be hard to come by.

Your comment is not valid. It is from another time and place. You should personally pay for Toby to "go to school, learn a trade, move" or shut the hell up!

You are out of touch with reality. Congratulations!

Since: Aug 07

Ashtabula, OH

#15 May 25, 2008
Old Man Grump wrote:
With no new manufacturing jobs being created, why would you expect high paying jobs to stay in the Northeast Ohio rust belt? Everything is moving toward service industries in Northeast Ohio which pay 1/2 of what manufacturing does. China & Mexico have taken all the good paying manufacturing jobs. Get a good Ohio college education and MOVE to where the jobs. What a sad thing to say to your kids.
I agree with you, except for the part when you say get an ohio college education. Ohio has one of the highest rates for public colleges in the country. Move to FL after highschool, establish residency and go to school for half price without our crappy winters :)
James

Blacklick, OH

#16 May 25, 2008
The politicians have completely sold us out. The bank is empty financially and morally. Until we get enough sense to vote them out and put Americans first we will have to keep eating this crap. Don't forget this election, vote out those who gave our jobs and lives away.
william_cody

Salem, OH

#17 May 25, 2008
Under a dead Ohio sky wrote:
william_cody - a more insensitive assinine comment would be hard to come by.
Your comment is not valid. It is from another time and place. You should personally pay for Toby to "go to school, learn a trade, move" or shut the hell up!
You are out of touch with reality. Congratulations!
i probably have, given the outrageous property taxes we are burdened with in this state.......
AkronLaw

Willoughby, OH

#18 May 25, 2008
isaiditdealwithit wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunetly, honesty is not the best policy when these schools want to promote higher education and not traditional occupations, that's what they get PAID to do. I mean, you don't think a school wants to turn out nothing but those dirty occupation truck drivers and crane operaters do you (sarcasm).
Spot on. It's the same people who reinforce the stereotype that white collar is better than blue collar. A shovel in the tar-sands will net you a higher income than a lap-top in a court-room. A CDL and a semi will net you more than an Advertising Rep ever will.
THE BRICKSLAYER

Owensboro, KY

#19 May 25, 2008
flip dem dang burgers an shut da h ell ups !!!
UGOTIT

AOL

#21 May 25, 2008
CRaCkron Prisoner wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you, except for the part when you say get an ohio college education. Ohio has one of the highest rates for public colleges in the country. Move to FL after highschool, establish residency and go to school for half price without our crappy winters :)
This is so true!!! Ohio gives NOTHING to help their young people getting out of high school. Move to almost any other state, work for a year and get your residency and then you'll get a break on your tuition. We live in a very sad state for educating our children. Even our public schools get the shaft.
Jeff Sherman

Muncie, IN

#22 May 25, 2008
When I was growing up, my parents both worked and worked very hard. They put themselves through undergraduate and my father paid for graduate school through the US Army and Ford.

Many people my age today seem to think that earning money will come with minimal work. My parents didn't start out life with everything, they had to work for it.

Yes, the economy has changed, but we need to be able to adapt. How many people speak a second language to adapt to the new world economy? How many people are willing to work over 40 hours a week? I think that if we look at growing economies in foreign countries, thay are doing these things and even more.

Jeff Sherman, 35 Garfield Heights
isaiditdealwithi t

Canal Fulton, OH

#23 May 25, 2008
william_cody wrote:
<quoted text>
..........if you made 7.50 an hour this year then go to the nearest mirror and take a look....the guy looking back at you is the guy responsible for you having made such a low wage.
Your inability to compete on a level playing field is cause for you to be of so little value to society. go to school, learn a trade, move....that would be a start. NE ohio is the pits, but not all of us pissed away our youth.
Can you be any dumber? The most important job in the world pays nothing.....it's called raising your kids and putting in countless unselfish non paying hours to ensure raising them right. Guess society has a pretty piss poor idea of who is of little value in this world aye?
jake yoder

Wooster, OH

#24 May 26, 2008
the people of this great nation, and i speak for myself also, are confused. we have so many pressures. it is hard to be content when it seems all we can do is work to make ends meet. there is an old saying that went something like this; the gap between the rich and the poor is widening and soon there will be no more middleclass. maybe i am just imagining it!
George N

Greer, SC

#25 May 26, 2008
Under a dead Ohio sky wrote:
Welcome to Free Trade and globalization! The only path for Ohio and America, under current leadership, is to come down to the rest of the world's living standards. The overall leadership of our country is controlled not by democrats or republicans, but by corporations and bankers. These puppet masters have figured out how to castrate America's will and con us out of our liberty.
Communism is the great evil right? Look again! Capitalism, globalism, free trade and corporate run government, have all overcome communism as the greatest evil.
We are living through the great deinvestment of America. How does it feel to be the world's police force for corporations that decided to maximize profit and set up shop outside the USA?
This part of the country is attracting manufacturing, engineering services, and myriad other enterprizes. Ohio isn't the whole world.

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