?Smart Meters in UC?
Posted in the Union City Forum
#1 Mar 22, 2011
Are "smart meters" really coming to Union City? Did I read The Union City Messenger correctly?
Smart meters are dangerous to liberty. But they are a great way for the government to MONITOR AND CONTROL your electricity usage and thereby stop global warming.
From the article "Here Comes The Energy Police," the following quote:
"When all is in place, the smart meter will not only keep track of how much electricity you are using, but it will be able to control, regulate, and ration your use of that electricity," she wrote. "If 'big brother' decides that you are using too much heat in the winter time, or too much air conditioning in the summer time, or using too much hot water in your showers or washing machine (even if you are willing to pay for that extra usage), the use of power will be automatically turned down."
Koehle's not only concerned that green bureaucrats want to impose their global warming agenda on a free marketplace, but that in the future no one will be able to avoid the coming ideologically driven intrusion into homes.
Pretty soon, Koehle warns, all appliances will be replaced with those containing RF chips.
Corsi has also reported on Google's PowerMeter, software intended to measure the precise amount of energy a house consumes and provide an accounting that lists by household location and device that consumes the electricity.
As a result, the Google PowerMeter will provide utilities and any government regulators who care the access the data complete information on a household's energy footprint and carbon footprint.
"An easy next step would be for government regulators to demand more household energy efficiency or a reduction in carbon emissions, with the result that 'energy offenders' could be charged substantial fines, with the possibility that the truly recalcitrant could be deemed 'energy criminals' subject to severe consequences," Corsi wrote. "As always, government extermination of civil liberties first arrives with a helping hand."
Read more here: http://www.wnd.com/...
The hits to our liberty keep coming.
#2 Mar 22, 2011
PREPAID meters I understood it to say. Gibson Electric has had these for years.
I think the meters you are referring to are the ones that can be read "over the lines" thus eliminating a meter reader from physically reading them.
It said that TVA would be charging more per KW in peak seasons.
Example:Summer months energy usage will cost you more.
This is to motivate you to use less during peak times.
#3 Mar 22, 2011
From the article: "He said the new metering system will take a few years to complete but will ultimately save the electric system money by offsetting meter-reading costs and truck expense."
Remote billing and monitoring provides the framework for governmental monitoring of your house.
And that seems quite dangerous to liberty.
#4 Mar 23, 2011
What's the problem with an electric meter sending a signal?
#5 Mar 24, 2011
this thread needs more tinfoil helmets.
good lord folks, these meters will actually save the city quite a bit of money.
#6 Mar 24, 2011
The idea that any utility company can't already control your usage is absurd. If you don't pay your bill or use a crazy amount of electricity they already have plenty of ways of turning out the lights.
Unless you are unemployeed, and live in the back woods and pay only in cash the government has plenty of ways to keep tabs on you. ISP, home phone, cell phone (smart phones especially), email and facebook, credit cards, debit cards, bank accounts, SS#, passport, driver's hunting fishing license, credit rating, and any bill you pay all can be used to keep an eye on you. I really doubt they will be using your electric bill to find out what your doing unless you power up the death ray.
2 things will come about from these smart meters.
first people will figure out how to milk this system and second some folks will lose there jobs.
1st smart meters allow for your electric prices to change throughout the day. When everyone is up watching tv and on the computer w/ the ac running and moms cooking, and running the washer and dryer in every house in america you'll pay more for the juice to do it. at 3a.m when everyone is in bed electricity price will drop. Smart people will buy those plug in timers for larger appliances and set them to run at night. I.E. load the dishwasher washing machine etc before bed then let them do the dirty work cheaper in the middle of the night.
Second is the part I don't like so much. These "meter men" are not just the slacked jaw employees of the electric co. They are the same men in a bucket truck in a thunderstorm working on the power lines at 4a.m. If the electric co gets rid of them because they don't need so many people to read meters on a calm day how many people will they have when an ice storm knocks out half the county's power?
#7 Mar 24, 2011
Gibson EMC has had these meters for many years. I don't remember any objections when they installed them.
It's the same old group of UC idiots who like to complain about anything and everything.
Also, Meter readers are contracted not an employee.
#8 Mar 25, 2011
A "smart meter" for your automobile is also being touted by Congress. It will tax you more for miles driven, as we currently only pay FORTY CENTS A GALLON in fuel taxes.
Read more here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/25/un...
We may not be able to stop Congress, but we control our power board.
#9 Mar 26, 2011
Well, I believe you are a few months too late discussing anything with the power board about meters. It's a done deal.
#10 Mar 26, 2011
With Goodyear shuttering, small businesses will be hammered until they are shuttered, as well. Higher daytime electric rates will be just the thing to destroy remaining small businesses more quickly.
Say hello to the Brave New World of smart meters. Ghost Town.
#11 Mar 26, 2011
TVA regulates the electric rates not the company you get your electric from. You all need to do some research!
#12 Mar 29, 2011
From the article: "As a result, the Google PowerMeter will provide utilities and any government regulators who care the access the data complete information on a household's energy footprint and carbon footprint.
"An easy next step would be for government regulators to demand more household energy efficiency or a reduction in carbon emissions, with the result that 'energy offenders' could be charged substantial fines, with the possibility that the truly recalcitrant could be deemed 'energy criminals' subject to severe consequences," Corsi wrote.[End Quote]
So get ready for fines or other penalties if you use too much electricity.
You really must develop alternative methods of generating power. Solar or wind. Your own propane or diesel generator. Alternative energy is necessary in every socialist or Third World country. We are now a socialist country, and the government will be regulating how much power you use.
#13 Mar 31, 2011
Pitiful... we aren't even allowed the option of "OPTING OUT!!" WTF?! I will do everything in my power to ensure that a "Commie-Meter" will NEVER invade MY house! It is unbelievable that there are so many clearly clueless imbeciles who obviously have no problem with slowly losing their personal rights, privacy and FREEDOM while our once "free" nation is becoming pathetically COMMIE/3rd world/ Socialist!
#14 Apr 2, 2011
Read this post and some of these comments are outrageous. You people bitch about anything. Need to get off the computer and the sofa and go enjoy life with your family.
#15 Apr 4, 2011
She usually draws her bath around 8:15.
She turns her lights off around 10:20, but the television stays on until 10:45.
Laundry is usually done around 9 a.m. on Saturdays. On pretty days, she does not use her dryer.
Her appliances do not have embedded smart chips. She is using too much electricity. We must impose a fine on her for over-usage. Settings on her water heater and frig are too high. Incarceration for repeated infractions. Gotta save the planet from Global Warming.
Lights on in the morning at 6:15. Microwave and coffee maker in use. Lights off at 7:30. Sometimes she forgets and leaves them on. At the very least, her allowed allotment will be cut.
We can now detect and stalk her every move. Remotely.
It's a Brave New World.
#16 Jun 27, 2011
Can you refuse a "Smart Meter?"
Get the answer in this video:
Watch this video. Your freedom depends on it.
#17 Jul 5, 2011
Cellular companies do the same thing!!! They know who you call, when you call and have access to what you said!!! Oh My!!!
#18 Jul 7, 2011
The information collected on a smart grid will form a library of personal information, the mishandling of which could be highly invasive of consumer privacy,” said Christopher Wolf, co-author with Jules Polonetsky of a whitepaper published by the Future of Privacy Forum and the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario.“There will be major concerns if consumer-focused principles of transparency and control are not treated as essential design principles, from beginning to end.”
Utilities are aware of the privacy concerns, according to Rick Thompson, the president of Greentech Media.“It’s absolutely on their radar,” he says, adding,“That doesn’t mean they have a full understanding or solution to solve that problem, but I think it’s an area that they are investigating heavily.”
Read more here: http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2010/0...
#19 Jul 7, 2011
“You come into new types of privacy issues because you are now revealing personal activities in ways that are not historically, or have not been considered to date as being personally identifiable information,” Herold says.
Beyond knowing how often the refrigerator opens or what time the garage door activates each morning, grid data may be a way of discerning when a household is empty or full, when family members go to bed at night or what time the kids come home from school. Marketers might want to tap into the data to find out when a household might be due for a new refrigerator or washing machine. Law enforcement might be interested in corroborating a story. An insurance company might want to know if a homeowner’s alarm was turned on when a burglary occurred. A divorce attorney might want to subpoena energy-use records to aid a case.
Read the whole article: http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2010/0...
#20 Jul 7, 2011
More:“The risk with a rich new data source is the temptation to use the information for more than originally intended,” Australian Privacy Commissioner Karen Curtis told those attending a smart infrastructure conference earlier this year.
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