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My Word: Going legit, if Proposition 19 passes

There are 96 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Oct 8, 2010, titled My Word: Going legit, if Proposition 19 passes. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

If you are like me, you are one of thousands of commercial medical marijuana growers in Northern California, and you, like me, are concerned about what Prop.

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Frank

Santa Cruz, CA

#1 Oct 8, 2010
I am a grower, on a medium scale, who has also managed a commercial greenhouse (+2 acres) in the Netherlands. Believe me when I say there is NO WAY the average grower will be able to compete with large commercial and professional operations. The efficiency which they will be able to produce the product is not close to possible for the average grower. People say that the quality will not be there. Based on past experience from a commercial aspect, I have to disagree. They have quality controls and research data that again the average grower can never come close to. I admire your hopeful outlook no matter how naive I might feel it to be. Here's hoping for all of us. No on 19
Not Frank

United States

#2 Oct 8, 2010
Frank, you're living in a dreamworld. Legalization, no matter how it passes, is not going to allow the average person to grow all the marijuana they can sell. Its not going to happen, that's the point of the CONTROL and REGULATE parts of this bill. The state wants to make sure that it keeps tabs on the majority of the marijuana that is going to be sold. IT HAS TO. There's no other way that legalization would ever conceivably pass in a modern political environment.
This bill makes sense. If you don't want to admit that, then at least admit that you don't support legalization, you only support your own financial gain.
pfft

United States

#3 Oct 8, 2010
This is what I have been saying for years. The good news: the large scale growers will be too big to hide; they will have to pay taxes and be regulated.

The bad news: we already have too damn many stoners as it is.
Madcap

Pasco, WA

#4 Oct 8, 2010
to Frank:

Protecting any and all profits at the expense of your clientele's legal right to consume your product is a losing business model. Marijuana IS going to become legal in the near future, and the current dealer system IS going to implode.

Perhaps you do not know what people go through getting the product-- calling individuals who may or may not call you back, sometimes waiting days to score... pretending to care about whatever the dealer cares about. We ARE talking recreational users not Medical users here and nobody wants to go through all that for pot if the other option is buying it in a store.

I'm in business myself. Being the cheapest product is NOT the only way to make money. For nearly 40 years my family's business has been turning a profit (as a small, independent company) that makes money specifically because we are NOT the cheapest.

If you guys want to survive the inevitable eventual legalization (one way or another it's coming), you need to think of yourselves as more like organic fruit & vegetable farmers-- smaller output and higher cost for the consumer who wants a cleaner, more natural product.
Madcap

Pasco, WA

#5 Oct 8, 2010
to pfft:

Once we legitimize marijuana, I have to believe there will become a marked difference in the public perception of users. We no longer have the mistaken idea that everyone who drinks a beer is a "lush".

Marijuana has this stigma because it's illegal and because of the stupid subculture that has sprung up around it. There are a LOT of us who hold REAL JOBS and love marijuana but hate all that hippy stuff.
old fart

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#6 Oct 8, 2010
You guys are dreaming if you think voting for prop 19 will make everything nice and legal, you are forgetting about the feds.They are not going to stand by while we flood the market with giant grow farms, we need to wait for the federal govt. to pass on legalization.

Since: Sep 10

Moorhead, MN

#7 Oct 8, 2010
Thank You Jordan Anderson.

You have divined the way for Nor Cal to maintain it's prominence in Cannabis production.

A Co-Op system would set minimal standards, agreed upon by members, that ensure Nor Cal cannabis will still be consistently rated as some of the highest quality on the world.

A Co-Op system allows the "little guys" compete with the bigger guys. Even if the vision you describe took form as a single family business working with other single family businesses, I believe profitability would still be apparent.

People, especially California people, will indeed pay extra for better quality, and to use the French term for what a special land imparts to wine... Terroir.

Imagine a "Denomination of Origin" legal status that protects Humboldt's good name! Imagine the wonderful marketing that can be done with Humboldt Terroir!

I have been so disheartened lately with these "stoners against legalization". I fear that they will be like the Luddites that simply got forgotten after a while.... as time passed them by.

Only through pro-action can Nor Cal seize this opportunity and make a booming industry while avoiding a slow decline toward irrelevance.
Christian

Athens, GA

#9 Oct 8, 2010
Frank, I feel kind of sad for you. It sounds like you think the only way you can earn a living is by having other people go to prison for doing something that you yourself do. Please think about your customers, your neighbors, other Californians... just other people in general. Without Prop 19, people will continue to lose their freedom, their homes, and their children if they grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.

Is that what you really want? Would you be willing to say so to your customers?

Think about what Jesus said.
Scumboldt County Mafia

Brookings, OR

#10 Oct 8, 2010
Is everyone down here really that high? Use your brains. Legalization will make nothing better in this industry. Take another hit
ReNo

Eureka, CA

#11 Oct 8, 2010
I hope Proposition 19 passes. All those growers who don't pay taxes, even get unemployment, have brought in the criminal element to Humboldt County now have something more scary than CAMP to worry about. Growers will now have to live like the non growing citizens here on the North Coast. They will learn to worry about jobs, rent, mortgage payments, car insurance, health bills, and high taxes. The growers will no longer be able to fund lavish trips to the far east, or buy a new truck every fall after the harvest season. I say to growers your lifestyle is about to come to an end, welcome to the real world.
Frank

Santa Cruz, CA

#12 Oct 8, 2010
RE : Not Frank (lol)

I'm glad I sparked some debate on this subject, but I don't think you even read the article. The author is arguing why the mom and pop growers should not fear the legalization/commercialization of marijuana. My point was against that, based on experience and cold hard facts. What fail to realise or neglect to mention, is that this bill places control of the distribution of marijuana in the hands of a very select few.(IE: Richard Lee) If you want big tobacco all over again, that's what Prop 19 is going for. Large swathes of Nor Cal and California survive thanks to medical marijuana, and this sees the end of them (no not me, for the record I have my own reasonably succesful business and plenty of experience in the agricultural field). And that was the entire point of this article. If you wish to debate the different aspects of legislation, such as Prop 215 not changing a single thing with the imprisonment of people for marijuana related "crimes" which it doesent, or the fact that paying taxes on a federal felony is not possible, then I am game. For your info, read this article (It would help to get both viewpoints, he puts it far more succintly than I can)

http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/...

To Christian

I think its funny how people resort to implied insults when someone states their opposition to Prop 19. That person must be a drug dealer, think of your customers.

No.1 I have no customers. I am a caregiver for a licensed dispensary for legitimate patients, and that means legitamte patients, not I have a back pain or my big toe hurts.

No.2 People are not going to prison for small offenses anymore. The bill Arnie just signed took care of that. There are things you do not even realize about Prop 19.

For one, This initiative would put more young people in jail. If it becomes law, any adult 21 or over who passes a joint to another adult aged 18-20 would face six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

One often-quoted statistic in the initiative debate is that misdemeanor marijuana possession arrests reached 61,388 in 2008. However, it is important to note that this statistic does not refer to any arrest demographic that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative would affect. This statistic refers only to possession of more than one ounce, possession by minors and possession on school grounds­—offenses which the initiative will not legalize. It does not refer to nor does it include marijuana arrests for possession of one ounce or less, because this is not an arrestable offense. Therefore, the initiative would have no impact on reducing these arrests rates.

And you tell me to think of the people? This is bad news for smokers full stop, which is why so many are against it, and great news for Richard Lee, which is why he has dropped millions on it.
KnowItAll

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#13 Oct 8, 2010
In all your getting organized, you'd better be branding the identity of the region. NorCal is known all over the country, especially Humboldt. You don't want Monsanto co-opting the name.
Cann Do 2

Buchanan Dam, TX

#14 Oct 8, 2010
Our County leaders are missing the boat on this one. They should be anticipating the ultimate approval and prepare for it. If not, the economic impact on the County will be astronomical. It is currently a multi-billion dollar industry locally. Take a billion out of our local economy and see what happens. You think crime is high now. Desperate people do desperate things.

The way the Measure is written (and it is poorly written)is to allow local governments to establish their own standards, including the commercial growing, selling and transportation of cannabis. This will result in different standards throughout the State making enforcement all but impossible.

There are County's and City's that already have model ordinances that will allow huge commercial grow operations in an attempt to generate local income and taxes.

By the way, as a tax professional, I can tell you that almost every commercial grower pays income tax. Remember, tax evasion is treated more seriously that cultivation.
Just an idea

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Oct 8, 2010
Here's an idea, what about patenting the strains?
Thank you

Arcata, CA

#16 Oct 8, 2010
I think Frank gets it.
Frank wrote:
RE : Not Frank (lol)
I'm glad I sparked some debate on this subject, but I don't think you even read the article. The author is arguing why the mom and pop growers should not fear the legalization/commercialization of marijuana. My point was against that, based on experience and cold hard facts. What fail to realize or neglect to mention, is that this bill places control of the distribution of marijuana in the hands of a very select few.(IE: Richard Lee) If you want big tobacco all over again, that's what Prop 19 is going for. Large swathes of Nor Cal and California survive thanks to medical marijuana, and this sees the end of them (no not me, for the record I have my own reasonably successful business and plenty of experience in the agricultural field). And that was the entire point of this article. If you wish to debate the different aspects of legislation, such as Prop 215 not changing a single thing with the imprisonment of people for marijuana related "crimes" which it doesn't, or the fact that paying taxes on a federal felony is not possible, then I am game. For your info, read this article (It would help to get both viewpoints, he puts it far more succinctly than I can)
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/...
To Christian
I think its funny how people resort to implied insults when someone states their opposition to Prop 19. That person must be a drug dealer, think of your customers.
No.1 I have no customers. I am a caregiver for a licensed dispensary for legitimate patients, and that means legitimate patients, not I have a back pain or my big toe hurts.
No.2 People are not going to prison for small offenses anymore. The bill Arnie just signed took care of that. There are things you do not even realize about Prop 19.
For one, This initiative would put more young people in jail. If it becomes law, any adult 21 or over who passes a joint to another adult aged 18-20 would face six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.
One often-quoted statistic in the initiative debate is that misdemeanor marijuana possession arrests reached 61,388 in 2008. However, it is important to note that this statistic does not refer to any arrest demographic that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative would affect. This statistic refers only to possession of more than one ounce, possession by minors and possession on school grounds­—offenses which the initiative will not legalize. It does not refer to nor does it include marijuana arrests for possession of one ounce or less, because this is not an arrestable offense. Therefore, the initiative would have no impact on reducing these arrests rates.
And you tell me to think of the people? This is bad news for smokers full stop, which is why so many are against it, and great news for Richard Lee, which is why he has dropped millions on it.
SpeeMiked

Alameda, CA

#17 Oct 8, 2010
youguiez suck!
Darrell

Arcata, CA

#18 Oct 8, 2010
I still can't believe the greed of most growers.$3000-$5000 a pound? Most other similar crops are at most $30 a pound. If you cared about your clients, don't you think reducing the price of their medicine would be good? I'm sure you have a problem with pharmaceutical companies charging exorbitant amounts. What is the difference? If you care about you patients, vote yes on 19. I predicted long before prop 19 came along that legalization would be fought mostly by growers themselves, not the general public. Greed, Greed, Greed.
carnell garner

Oakland, CA

#19 Oct 8, 2010
you ppl are crazy like anything else we will be cut out of this industry big business will take over lioke alcohol and everything else dont be fooled humboldt will be a ghost town
Frank

Santa Cruz, CA

#20 Oct 8, 2010
Alright Darell, do you know what the statistics for marijuana income were based on? 2800 a lb. Go do a little googling my friend. Do you know what the donation cost for high quality medicinal cannabis is? 3-3500 a lb. And that is NOT in bulk, which is what the statistic was based on. And that is before taxes, and any county add ons which there will be. There will be far less competition with the passage of Prop 19, leaving it in the hands of a select few. And far higher demand. What does the first rule of economics tell you?

Lastly if you had ANY clue about the costs and amount of labour involved growing high grade indoor medicinal marijuana you would not talk so high and mighty. It is back breaking, stressful, and highly skilled work in order to produce top quality medicine. And you compare it to fruits and vegetables lol. That is not a similar crop in the slightest. In one of the greenhouses which grew tomatoes we would produce 35-50 lbs PER PLANT a year. And that is in 1/10th of the space a marijuana plant requires. Add to that special lighting requirements due to different stages in the plants life requiring light deprivation and complete black out conditions, the cost of manicuring to create a high quality product. You have no idea what you are talking about
Al Capone

United States

#21 Oct 8, 2010
Instead of turning you folks in to be busted by the DEA, you'll be turned in to the IRS. I'll take the DEA anyday. LOL

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