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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67128 Feb 8, 2014
FORMER: 2. You failed to respond: Are you an atheist? If not, what are you? No double talk please.

JOEL: What?

Have you any intelligence?

Didn't you understand my posts on the same subject?

I answered the question on religion in detail in reply to your post and in prior individual write ups as well.

In objective reality, there's nothing like God or Gods.

God or Gods do not exist.

Everything is a sea of energy/matter with consciousness manifesting in different degrees depending on the degree of organization of the molecules of a system with the human brain producing the greatest degree of consciousness on account of its high degree of neuronal complexity.

Consciousness is devoid of both stuff and energy.

This makes consciousness an epiphenomenon of energy/matter in various stages of organization.

I repeat - God or Gods are simply mental constructs that've since millennia taken firm root in the collective subconscious of believers from where these subconscious forms keep subtly manipulating people. These are psychological phenomena based on fantasy but they've certain tangible effects, mostly negative, in the lives of believers.

I am a yogi-intellectual who's involved in the subjective investigation of the various modes of consciousness produced in the brain as a result of brain activity and my yogic experiences in altered states of consciousness and in the waking state as well are rewarding.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67129 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
5. Regarding your inherited wealth: You are a good example of how inherited wealth can hurt a person. I think it was Warren Buffet who said leave enough for your kids to do something but not so much for them to do nothing.
I have increased the inheritance through smart investments...

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67130 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
I also hold a master in science degree and have taught.)
But, evidently, you're not good enough to clear the challenging IIT JEE (Indian Institutes of Technology Joint Entrance Exam).

I take it that you're a medical professional, right?

Which med school did you attend? Community College? The small town college? or Harvard (Harvard Med School - that's way beyond you, dude)? LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67131 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
6. Your work with the 9-year-old boy sounds very good indeed. And I'm sure it is rewarding for you in its own right.
The yogic force is working wonders in the boy.

In the past, using the yogic force, I have also cured cancer, AIDS, typhoid, pneumonia, hepatitis, etc, but the cures effected by using the yogic force involves expenditure of higher frequency energy and the yogi is at the same time invaded by the disordered energy of the patient as the cure, which involves an exchange of energies between yogi and patient that occurs after establishing direct contact with the patient's energy field - gets underway. It takes not more than a few minutes to cure the above mentioned diseases. Genetic diseases take a longer time to cure using the force - at least with me this is the case. Medical doctors will not understand all this. The yogic force can be used to heal as well as to kill. These days, I don't involve myself in these dangerous cures using yogic force. I am only helping the mentally challenged boy out of compassion. The results are good...

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67132 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
Do more of #6 and less of #1 through #5.
I don't take suggestions from ignorant persons.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67133 Feb 8, 2014
FORMER: 5. Regarding your inherited wealth: You are a good example of how inherited wealth can hurt a person. I think it was Warren Buffet who said leave enough for your kids to do something but not so much for them to do nothing.

JOEL - I have increased the inheritance through smart investments...

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67134 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
Have a nice day!
Thank you, doc.

Wish you the same.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#67135 Feb 8, 2014
FORMER: Have a nice day!

JOEL: Thank you, doc.

Wish you the same.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#67136 Feb 8, 2014
Thank you, doctor.

Have a nice day.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#67137 Feb 8, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Be careful with the salt. I always clean my dogs paws off when we come back in.
I'm waiting excitedly for the UPS truck to arrive. Ordered a pair of slip-on snow shoes from LL Bean. Will make going in and out a lot easier.
What we found was that our dog is ok with the crystalized salt, but the lumpy gumpy stuff burns her paws.

The problem we have with the snow/ice isnt traction but that the dog punches thru the ice layer and gets stuck in the fluff. I can walk thru it with no problem.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#67138 Feb 8, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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I am not anti anyone/anything.
chuckle

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#67139 Feb 8, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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However, in the recent debate on religion versus atheism that you had with Frijoles the dunce, you and COR got the better of him. Frijoles came across as an ignorant religious nut who was simply playing around with silly theistic ideas that can easily be debunked.
Here is your opportunity to earn that FIRST gold star.

Had you actually read the posts, you would have noted that I was arguing against theism. As I normally do.

Now, all I need from you is an acknowledgement that you were wrong, and I can go ahead and AWARD you your very FIRST gold star.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#67140 Feb 8, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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In the past, using the yogic force, I have also cured cancer, AIDS, typhoid, pneumonia, hepatitis, etc,.....Genetic diseases take a longer time to cure using the force - at least with me this is the case. Medical doctors will not understand all this...
chuckle
former res

Cheshire, CT

#67141 Feb 8, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Here is your opportunity to earn that FIRST gold star.
Had you actually read the posts, you would have noted that I was arguing against theism. As I normally do.
Now, all I need from you is an acknowledgement that you were wrong, and I can go ahead and AWARD you your very FIRST gold star.
If you believe that a deity exists, you are a theist; otherwise you're an atheist.

According to CoR (and others), you can be gnostic or agnostic version of either.

I wouldn't argue those categories. I would fall into the agnostic atheist group if I correctly recall the categories.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#67142 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
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If you believe that a deity exists, you are a theist; otherwise you're an atheist.
According to CoR (and others), you can be gnostic or agnostic version of either.
I wouldn't argue those categories. I would fall into the agnostic atheist group if I correctly recall the categories.
That definition suffers from the bias of stressing "belief". My religion stresses behavior over belief (as we all know...)

So I would argue that the typology, though logical, isnt very relevant once you get out of Christianity.

As for how I practice my religion,(i.e how I behave), I definitely dont act as if there is a deity as described below. However, I would not self-identify as an atheist, as that term has no meaning in my practice, no more than worrying about whether Jesus exists. Its the concern of to the intellectuals, and to the Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity
Deities are depicted in a variety of forms, but are also frequently expressed as having human form. Some faiths and traditions consider it blasphemous to imagine or depict the deity as having any concrete form. Deities are often thought to be immortal, and are commonly assumed to have personalities and to possess consciousness, intellects, desires, and emotions comparable but usually superior to those of humans. A male deity is a god, while a female deity is a goddess.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#67143 Feb 8, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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That definition suffers from the bias of stressing "belief". My religion stresses behavior over belief (as we all know...)
So I would argue that the typology, though logical, isnt very relevant once you get out of Christianity.
As for how I practice my religion,(i.e how I behave), I definitely dont act as if there is a deity as described below. However, I would not self-identify as an atheist, as that term has no meaning in my practice, no more than worrying about whether Jesus exists. Its the concern of to the intellectuals, and to the Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity
Deities are depicted in a variety of forms, but are also frequently expressed as having human form. Some faiths and traditions consider it blasphemous to imagine or depict the deity as having any concrete form. Deities are often thought to be immortal, and are commonly assumed to have personalities and to possess consciousness, intellects, desires, and emotions comparable but usually superior to those of humans. A male deity is a god, while a female deity is a goddess.
Ok but that's not what the "category" folks would say.

https://www.google.com/search...

They'd say "If the theism/deity switch" isn't turned to the ON position, then by default it is in the OFF position (think binary) and you are in fact an atheist.

I'd say it might be more intellectually honest to go ahead and accept that label.

I too resisted it for decades, claiming to be an agnostic until I did a better reading of the definitions.

The term doesn't have to have any meaning in your practice for it to apply.

And all this makes me wonder what the hell we were arguing over???
former res

Cheshire, CT

#67144 Feb 8, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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The yogic force is working wonders in the boy.
In the past, using the yogic force, I have also cured cancer, AIDS, typhoid, pneumonia, hepatitis, etc, but the cures effected by using the yogic force involves expenditure of higher frequency energy and the yogi is at the same time invaded by the disordered energy of the patient as the cure, which involves an exchange of energies between yogi and patient that occurs after establishing direct contact with the patient's energy field - gets underway. It takes not more than a few minutes to cure the above mentioned diseases. Genetic diseases take a longer time to cure using the force - at least with me this is the case. Medical doctors will not understand all this. The yogic force can be used to heal as well as to kill. These days, I don't involve myself in these dangerous cures using yogic force. I am only helping the mentally challenged boy out of compassion. The results are good...
I think I saw this happen in a good movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Mile_ (film)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#67145 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok but that's not what the "category" folks would say.
https://www.google.com/search...
They'd say "If the theism/deity switch" isn't turned to the ON position, then by default it is in the OFF position (think binary) and you are in fact an atheist.
I'd say it might be more intellectually honest to go ahead and accept that label.
I too resisted it for decades, claiming to be an agnostic until I did a better reading of the definitions.
The term doesn't have to have any meaning in your practice for it to apply.
And all this makes me wonder what the hell we were arguing over???
Well, I told you a while ago that I wasnt trying to convince you of a position (i.e. argue) but instead bring to the table another perspective

Sure, the atheists can put a label on me. But, really, is that any different in hubris than a fundamentalist Christian calling me a sinner? Or a radical Muslim calling me an infidel? Both of those are meaningful categories from within their system, but meaningless from mine/ours.

That all said, parsing aside, in reality I have no problem being labeled an agnostic. But not an atheist. COR might be correct as to the technical definition, but in common society atheism has a lot of baggage that I definitely dont share.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#67146 Feb 8, 2014
former res wrote:
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Ok but that's not what the "category" folks would say.
https://www.google.com/search...
Lol.,,,,that pretty much defines it, doesnt it?

I still reserve the right to reject that typology though.

To be more succinct, I dont BELIEVE in God, I ACT as if there is God. Whether I perceive it or not at the moment is moot.

That, in essence, is the difference between the Hebrew (Jewish) concept of "emunah" (faithfulness - a practice) and the English concept of faith (a static intellectual belief).

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#67147 Feb 8, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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The yogic force is working wonders in the boy.
In the past, using the yogic force, I have also cured cancer, AIDS, typhoid, pneumonia, hepatitis, etc,
You made me spray my champagne with this BS.

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