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JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yogic experience confirms the scriptural revelations of there existing many Gods (beings).
Unacceptable evidence. As I suggested initially when I laid out my criticism of your view.

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According to news reports, the average IQ of Shanghai and Zhejiang children is around 115.

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You mean - not everyone here is a monolatrist (monolatry - the worship of only one god although other gods are recognized as existing).
There's nothing like monotheism - existence of one and only god who is the almighty and creator. LOL.
The absolute is not God the almighty creator nor is it the Gods nor is it a being.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theol...

Monotheism, Not Monolatry

The most effective challenges to this view were those of the Israeli biblical scholar Yehezkel Kaufmann and the American archaeologist W. F. Albright. Kaufmann and Albright argued that the explicit statements about monotheism do not tell the whole story. So far as we can tell from the Bible and from archaeological evidence, most Israelites were de facto monotheistic ever since the time of Moses. From its earliest stages biblical religion viewed all gods other than YHVH as ineffective nonentities. Rarely does a biblical character refer to another deity as doing anything.

Most Israelites accused of worshiping other gods seem to have worshiped only images, and do not seem to have believed in living powers behind the images as authentic paganism did; they believed, in other words, that the images themselves possessed divine powers and that the gods were the images and nothing more. This seems clear from the fact that when Israelite reformers purged idolatry from the land their efforts were confined to removing images and other objects; they never had to argue against belief in beings that the images represented.

Some Israelites also worshiped supernatural beings and phenomena that were part of the Lord's heavenly retinue, apparently in the belief that God himself required people to honor His subordinates. That the worshipers of these beings believed that God required men to worship them is implied by God's denial that He ever commanded the worship of heavenly bodies (Deuteronomy 17:3). There is no evidence that these worshipers believed these beings to be independent of YHVH or on par with Him.

Furthermore, the number of people who worshiped statues and supernatural beings does not appear to have been large. The book of Judges does not quantify its statements that the Israelites worshiped foreign gods, and the number of specific incidents reported in the book is small. That these incidents were regarded as having such disastrous consequences for Israel is probably not due to their prevalence but to the gravity of the sin and to the biblical doctrine of collective responsibility, which holds the entire nation responsible for the sins of even a small number of its members.

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Most of the idolatry reported in Kings was sponsored by the kings themselves, often for political reasons connected with foreign policy; few of these reports indicate that large numbers of common people were involved. Archaeological evidence of polytheism is also scant: few, if any, representations of male deities have ever been found in clearly Israelite contexts, and most of the figurines of females found at Israelite sites represent humans, not goddesses. Israelite inscriptions with religious content rarely mention other gods, and of Israelite personal names that refer to a deity, only six percent refer to deities other than YHVH; the other ninety-four percent mention YHVH.

That most Israelites ignored not only the gods of foreign nations, but even the gods of natural phenomena on which all humans depend, can only mean that they did not consider these phenomena to be divine or independently effective. So far as our evidence goes, therefore, ever since the time of Moses most Israelites seem to have regarded only YHVH as an independently effective divine power, and that belief is most simply explained as due to the teachings of Moses himself.

The belief that only YHVH is an independently effective divine power is de facto monotheistic. It reduces all other supernatural beings to the level of angels, spirits, and the like. Since biblical Hebrew generally continued to use words for "gods" (elim and elohim) to refer to those supernatural beings, whose existence was not denied, we cannot speak of monotheism in the etymological sense of the word but only in the practical, de facto sense just described.

As Albright put it, "Mosaic monotheism, like that of the following centuries (at least down to the seventh century [B.C.E.]) was…practical and implicit rather than intellectual and explicit…The Israelites felt, thought, and acted like monotheists."

The above article explores whether the early Israelites believed in the existence of only one God or pledged their allegiance to one particular God without denying the existence of others. The author presents both views, but seems to agree with the former. Though the author does not present the latter view in as much depth, it has scholarly approval as well.

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Where's Hugh? in the men's loo? LOL.

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I've heard that China has built its first maglev train....if true, all I can say is: "good for them".

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Genius of the millennium - Nikola Tesla.

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MONOLATRY IN THE BIBLE:

1) In Exodus 15:11 it asks "Lord, who else is like you among the Gods?" and then goes on to explain how nice YHVH is. A plain reading of this would seem to be that the author is acknowledging that the other Gods exist, while praising YHVH as being better than them.

2) There are also various places where YHVH is referred to as a "God of Gods," which might be meant mistakenly be taken as metaphor or something, but again a plain reading of the text would take this to mean that other Gods exist, but aren't supposedly as powerful as YHVH.

3) Interestingly, the command "you will worship no other gods before me," literally doesn't even seem to forbid the israelites from worshiping other gods, so long as they put their loyalty to YHVH first.

CONCLUSION: Bible is based on the worship of one arbitrarily chosen God among many Gods. monolatry is the theme of the Bible.

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A barbaric tribe usually catches hold of one god from many competing gods and makes the chosen god its one and only God. LOL.

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El or YHVH is a pagan god that was one among dozens of gods worshiped by the pre-Judaic cultures. This god, El or YHVH, later passed into Judaism after it was chosen (from the many competing gods) for exclusive worship by Abraham and his fellow barbarians of the same tribe. ROFL.

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Now, on to a more interesting subject like mind-matter:

Why do the higher faculties in man like say our emotions and mind oppose the gross physical laws of opposites attract and likes repel?

People invariably seek out others with a similar personality type and are usually repelled by individuals who are opposed to their own nature - a case of birds of a feather flock together.

Interesting.

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MONOLATRY IN THE BIBLE:
1) In Exodus 15:11 it asks "Lord, who else is like you among the Gods?" and then goes on to explain how nice YHVH is. A plain reading of this would seem to be that the author is acknowledging that the other Gods exist, while praising YHVH as being better than them.
2) There are also various places where YHVH is referred to as a "God of Gods," which might be meant mistakenly be taken as metaphor or something, but again a plain reading of the text would take this to mean that other Gods exist, but aren't supposedly as powerful as YHVH.
3) Interestingly, the command "you will worship no other gods before me," literally doesn't even seem to forbid the israelites from worshiping other gods, so long as they put their loyalty to YHVH first.
CONCLUSION: Bible is based on the worship of one arbitrarily chosen God among many Gods. monolatry is the theme of the Bible.
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Again, any yokle can read the Bible in english, but how is the religion PRACTICED? You just admitted to plain meaning, but we all know that this is not how Jews interpret their scriptures. If it was, we would never have RASHI

Also,in Ex 15:11 in Hebrew what exactly is the term used? Gods is an English translation and interpretation

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El is listed at the head of many pantheons. El is the Father God among the Canaanites. LOL.

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EL:

"The Eternal One (‘Olam) has made a covenant oath with us,

Asherah has made (a pact) with us.

And all the sons of El,

And the great council of all the Holy Ones.

With oaths of Heaven and Ancient Earth."

- A Phoenician inscribed amulet of the 7th century BCE from Arslan Tash

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In some inscriptions of the ancient Phoenicians, the name "El qone ars" meaning "El creator of Earth" appears. So, the prior to the Hebrews, the Phoenicians worshiped El as one among many gods. LOL.

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In Hittite texts the expression becomes the single name Il-kunirsa, this Il-kunirsa appearing as the husband of Asherdu (Asherah) and father of 77 or 88 sons. Oh my gosh!

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In a Hurrian hymn to EL (published in Ugaritica V, text RS 24.278) he is called "il brt" and "il dn" which Cross (p. 39) takes as "El of the covenant" and "El the judge", respectively. OMG!

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For the Canaanites, EL was the supreme God, the father of mankind and all creatures. His sons were Hadad, Yam, and Mot. eeeeks

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According to The Oxford Companion to World Mythology:



"It seems almost certain that the God of the Jews evolved gradually from the Canaanite El, who was in all likelihood the 'God of Abraham'... If El was the high God of Abraham—Elohim, the prototype of Yahveh—Asherah was his wife, and there are archeological indications that she was perceived as such before she was in effect 'divorced' in the context of emerging Judaism of the 7th century BCE."

Oh my, the poor copy cat Hebrews! LOL.

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LITTLE YHVH - ANOTHER STOLEN PAGAN DEITY:

The name Yahveh originally formed part of a title of the Canaanite supreme deity El - "El du Yahwi saba ot".

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