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Frijoles wrote:
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Straw argument - we werent talking about laws of physics. We were talking about civil laws and the state
Ask Will Smith is it is illegal to not pay your taxes
We are on rewind. This point has been debated before.
Will Smith has nothing to do with facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
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Just shows that you never received any type of formal education in political theory.(How could you - you are a whackadoo??)
Hobbes is considered a philosopher of the Conservatives...
I dont care who he was, point in fact that he does not cite any facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
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former res wrote:
It’s good to be Alex Jones. Matt Drudge, the conservative Web entrepreneur and news aggregator, proved prophetic when he predicted that 2013 would be “the year of Alex Jones.” The longtime conspiracy broadcaster is finally breaking into the mainstream consciousness after a buzzy interview with Piers Morgan and his Boston bombing conspiracy, and traffic to his websites has never been higher. The conspiracy business is booming.
And make no mistake, it is a business. That’s not to say that Jones isn’t a believer — there are easier ways to make money — but Jones has built a multi-platform new media empire in his Austin, Texas, Free Speech Systems LLC that reaches millions of believers and promises advertisers that it will “direct lucrative buyers to you from our daily audience of active enthusiasts.” And all told, Jones is very likely raking in millions.
Jones didn’t invent the business model, but he may have perfected it. He comes from a long line of what historian Robert Goldberg calls “conspiracy entrepreneurs” that stretches back through at least the early Red Scare, and up through the John Birch Society, the JFK assassination and the Roswell incident to the Jones school of the New World Order. But while others merely got by on the sale of their books and tapes and lectures to a niche audience, Jones has industrialized conspiracy for a mass audience.
Jones’ company broadcasts around the clock from his state-of-the art, 7,600-square-foot radio and TV studio that employs 15 people and cleared $1.5 million in revenue in 2009, according to a Texas Monthly profile. But a lot has changed since then. In 2011, he launched the Infowars Nightly News TV program to anchor his new subscriber TV network, which has expanded its lineup as traffic to his websites and general visibility has exploded, meaning his revenue is probably much bigger than it was just four years ago....
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_co...
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Reminds me of a few quotes:
There's a sucker born every minute.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
“Opinions are like asxholes; everyone's got one.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
“Never give a sucker an even break.”
&#8213; P.T. Barnum
As his popularity increases "main stream" media decreases.
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I thought you believed in freedom.
You don't believe citizens should have the freedom to form organizations: businesses, town watch programs, clubs, sports teams, condo associations, corporations, local/state/national organizations for governing themselves (governments)???
As long as it is consensual.
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susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>They are dangerous because they both believe you have to be a member of their religion to live. Christians are full of hate toward anybody who does not share their beliefs and I think it's because they are so insecure. Jesus said the end would come within a generation of the people he spoke to and it obviously didn't. They've been waiting 2000 years, I'm wondering how much longer they'll wait for their god. The rapture and tribulation are Christian myths.
Just like governments believe that they have to be a member of their government to live.
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<quoted text>Jesus also included his second coming on the Mount of Olives within that generation. I take issue with your statement that your God is the same as the God of the Jews. There is one striking difference that separates them. The God of Israel is alive and your god is dead, earth is called "the land of the living" and the whole purpose of the resurrection is to transcend death. The second coming on the Mount of Olives would occur within a matter of days after the Messiahs execution, it is the third Day of the Lord and will be her glory. "My glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images", Christianity is idolatry. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
SIGH no place to go on that one but He conquered spiritual death as well as HE rose from ggd dead Messiah will not die again as HE already did so ..But I though ghat Jewish people believed in a male Messiah who will come only in glory.. once. But hey maybe si am wrong on that or ..well anyway peace.. I fl believe in Creator God who spoke to Abraham and Moses and Noah
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well so are, americans. and so is, every nation on earth. even 133,000 children murdered by muslems in somalia. and the whole world, does nothing about it. nobody screaming rape, must all be guilty of rape. you think this makes, me or G-D happy with any of you? you don't have peace on this earth, because you have all never made any real peace with G-D Truly.
your just another hypocrite crook calling all the others, for not being the same kind of crook as you.
Based on what you said,Germans made the right thing by killing pigs like you.you deserved it.
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SIGH no place to go on that one but He conquered spiritual death as well as HE rose from ggd dead Messiah will not die again as HE already did so ..But I though ghat Jewish people believed in a male Messiah who will come only in glory.. once. But hey maybe si am wrong on that or ..well anyway peace.. I fl believe in Creator God who spoke to Abraham and Moses and Noah
99+% of the "suffering servant prophecies have been fulfilled and it's time for the conquering King. The same person in the flesh will fulfill all of them. "In thy book all my members were written" "Then said I, lo I come, in the volume of the book it is written of me"

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As long as it is consensual.
can you give us an example of (voluntarist) consensual government?

Lacking an example, my belief is that your ideas are impractical over 20,000 years of human existence.

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I dont care who he was, point in fact that he does not cite any facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Straw argument. That wasnt the point of that.

You really should study your political theory. Your fellow libertarians must be aghast.

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Will Smith has nothing to do with facts that the constitution and code are applicable.
Well, the fact is he got caught and had to pay a steep price. Thats good enough for the rest of us. And him. Government and laws exist.
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<quoted text>Jesus also included his second coming on the Mount of Olives within that generation. I take issue with your statement that your God is the same as the God of the Jews. There is one striking difference that separates them. The God of Israel is alive and your god is dead, earth is called "the land of the living" and the whole purpose of the resurrection is to transcend death. The second coming on the Mount of Olives would occur within a matter of days after the Messiahs execution, it is the third Day of the Lord and will be her glory. "My glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images", Christianity is idolatry. "Their molten images are wind and confusion"
rabbee: hey! just because you still, think we are Both dead. does not make it, a true statement because you say so.

and do you know just how long, it is to the third day of G-D? that's like, 1948 man years!!!
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taulant wrote:
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Based on what you said,Germans made the right thing by killing pigs like you.you deserved it.
rabbee: sorry but the nazi pigs, missed their chance during wwii. they could no more kill me, than the pharoah could kill Moshe. but could explain my, gurgeling and cooing in the weeds for a while.
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The 7th plane and beyond are not within the body along the force centers in the spine leading to the pineal gland in the brain. The superior force fields - 7th and beyond - lie above the head. One can station one's awakened psychic in any of the planes that lie above the head and act with total command from outside the body.
rabbee: are you sure, that is not the 747th plane? cause you are really, self up there?
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UPCOMING:
The Metempsychosis and its causal mechanism.
rabbee: didn't your mother warn you, about sniffing that flight fuel?
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Well, the fact is he got caught and had to pay a steep price. Thats good enough for the rest of us. And him. Government and laws exist.
Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.

It always comes down to the gun.
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Frijoles wrote:
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can you give us an example of (voluntarist) consensual government?
Lacking an example, my belief is that your ideas are impractical over 20,000 years of human existence.
Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
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Straw argument. That wasnt the point of that.
You really should study your political theory. Your fellow libertarians must be aghast.
You have the straw man argument , will smith being the straw man .
People settle cases all day long without admitting guilt.

Asking for the facts is not a straw man argument.

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Referring to what are the facts that the law is applicable.
Still waiting.
It always comes down to the gun.
Straw position.

That wasnt your assertion. Your assertion was that the law and the state did not exist. Will proves it does. How it does was never in dispute.

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Voluntarist wrote:
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Sure, if i do will you give me $1000
IOW you concede on the issue of the practicality, and therefore the reality, of your ideas....

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