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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49156 Feb 12, 2013
POST # 49146:

HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION:

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the ORIGIN OF THE Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.

An immanence would mean that the origin is different from the substance and dynamics of the manifestation/cosmos and so it would mean that this origin somehow created the materials and energies from nothing and then infused the creation to guide it from within.

The origin is the source of the materials as well as of the energy - the materials/energies are its own substance - and as such the origin has partially manifested itself and its manifested substance itself forms the graduated cosmos and guides it functionally through an innate causal mechanism.

The origin which is a unified field of consciousness-energy has various poises - immanent, transcendent and absolute - in its unmanifest as well as manifest state.

The origin in manifestation itself becomes the cosmos.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49157 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Who said that no one would return to tell of the union of the subject with the object in consciousness-energy?
The aim is to cause the plane of consciousness-energy in which the individual's activated consciousness-energy has united to descend and infuse the individual's human equivalents of mind, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient to bring about radical changes in being.
To make the trance state (of whatever degree) the permanent state of consciousness at all times is the aim.
There are 200 odd trance states.....
And more...
Like I said, it is a matter of semantics to describe different states of consciousness.

Considering you and I have no real way to describe the qualitative states of our own states of consciousness in a meaningful way to share them to each other, why do you think anyone can accurately describe or compare what might happen pre- and post- with a more intensive trance?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49158 Feb 12, 2013
I am not going to put effort into rebutting your comments on the article I posted - this isnt my intent. Its all a matter of subjective opinion anyhow.

My intent was to post an alternative framework.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49159 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Incorrect

By being literalistic you are missing the lesson
How come?

Monotheism means the worship of just one being among numerous beings.

Don't YHVH, Allah and other inferior beings warn their respective followers of severe punishment if they happen to worship other gods/beings?

This clearly shows that YHVH and Allah with their anthropathetic traits wish to be the dominant being over and above their rivals (other beings).

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49160 Feb 12, 2013
Which by the way isnt that different than yours - I still think you force your interpretations of other people's ideas too much into the literalistic and personal.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49161 Feb 12, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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you have just elevated your own God
God is a being among several other beings.

Each archetypal being is God.

I don't worship any being/God.

The Ultimate Reality is a system or a unified field of consciousness-energy that in partial manifestation gives rise to the graduated cosmos and to the archetypal beings of the various cosmic planes like YHVH, Allah, Baal, Moloch, Vishnu, Shiva, Lucifer and others.

Laughably, each one of these archetypal beings styles itself as
G-d/God and warns its followers of dire consequences if they worship other beings (their rivals). LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49163 Feb 12, 2013
AGENDA:

I shall be posting several excerpts from the writings and talks of FRITJOF CAPRA and J KRISHNAMURTI with detailed analysis where necessary.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49164 Feb 12, 2013
EXISTENCE is an adventure of consciousness!
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49165 Feb 12, 2013
I am going to shower. Bye.

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#49166 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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God is a being among several other beings.
Each archetypal being is God.
I don't worship any being/God.
The Ultimate Reality is a system or a unified field of consciousness-energy that in partial manifestation gives rise to the graduated cosmos and to the archetypal beings of the various cosmic planes like YHVH, Allah, Baal, Moloch, Vishnu, Shiva, Lucifer and others.
Laughably, each one of these archetypal beings styles itself as
G-d/God and warns its followers of dire consequences if they worship other beings (their rivals). LOL.
You are telling other people what they are worshipping.

With all due respect that is arrogant.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#49167 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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How come?
Monotheism means the worship of just one being among numerous beings.
Don't YHVH, Allah and other inferior beings warn their respective followers of severe punishment if they happen to worship other gods/beings?
This clearly shows that YHVH and Allah with their anthropathetic traits wish to be the dominant being over and above their rivals (other beings).
Thats not the definition of monotheism

Definition of MONOTHEISM
: the doctrine or belief that there is but one God

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The punishment is for worshipping "beings" OTHER than God. God is not a being, or in the words of Green, God is BEING. Limits of language once again.

Sometimes I think you are not that different than Hughbe after all. Same literalistic approach.

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#49168 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
AGENDA:
I shall be posting several excerpts from the writings and talks of FRITJOF CAPRA and J KRISHNAMURTI with detailed analysis where necessary.
I took the liberty of googling around a bit regarding your hero FRITJOF CAPRA and honestly, I think he has more of a grip on a lot of these ideas than you do.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49169 Feb 12, 2013
Refreshed. I missed Hugh - had Hugh been in the shower with me, he would have scrubbed my back with a loofah.

(smiles)

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#49170 Feb 12, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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Monotheism means the worship of one being among several others who are its rivals.
This is why we read in the monotheistic scriptures serious threats issued by a particular being against worshipping other gods (its rival beings).
"I am a jealous being (G-d)!".
These are the inferior cults of the world that have ensnared in their nets billions of myopic followers with each bunch of deluded followers believing that a particular being that it worships (to the exclusion of all other beings) is the Supreme God or whatever and the being worshipped loves arrogating to itself the grand title of the Supreme Ruler and Supreme Creator of the universe. LOL.
Judaism is not a monotheistic religion as you naively understood, but a monolastristic religion.

Monolatrism recognizes the existence of many gods, but it focuses only to worship one god out of many.

In Torah YHVH never said that other gods don't exist, but rather he has warned the Hebrews to not worship other gods, he's very jealous about it.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49171 Feb 12, 2013
NOTE:

I will be posting excerpts from the works/talks of Fritjof Capra and J Krishnamurti and correct all the errors in their views.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49172 Feb 12, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Judaism is not a monotheistic religion as you naively understood, but a monolastristic religion.
That's mere play on words.

The exclusive worship of one God (being) who wants to be the only God over and above all its rivals (other beings) is my definition of monotheism.

Personally speaking, I have sufficient direct experience of this petty stand. This is another matter, however.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49173 Feb 12, 2013
Ya Ma.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49174 Feb 12, 2013
After, man, the mental being, who?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49175 Feb 12, 2013
The supramental being.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49176 Feb 12, 2013
After the supramental being, who?

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