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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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JOEL wrote:
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE CLEAN OR UNCLEAN FOOD?
There is nothing like CLEAN and UNCLEAN food.
Kosher and halaal are practices based on ignorance, superstition and cruelty.
From the viewpoint of matter, food reduces to classes of various chemicals.
From a deeper perspective, chemicals are a mixture of various forces - physical and vital.
Added to this is the mind element of the organism that infuses the chemicals and force fields.
So, what is pure or impure about chemicals and physical, vital and mental forces? Nothing at all.
What is important to note is is that hygienic norms are adhered to during the breeding, preservation and cooking stages.
However, certain classes of chemicals via food intake have a deleterious impact on health as proven by science.
From the logical and the yogic perspectives, those foods acquired through murder result in accumulation of bad karma and the intake of any food that is a result of murder/slaughter can unbalance the mind-body equilibrium since the pain/suffering experienced by say a cow while it's being murdered is imprinted as highly distorted mental-vital vibrations in its flesh molecules/force fields and this mass of disordered vibrations enters our body when we eat the flesh and this then adds to our store of negative vital and mental vibrations thus making us more prone to psychological and/or emotional disorders and besides, again, a non-vegetarian diet based on slaughter lowers our respect for life and induces in us cruelty and insensitivity to pain/suffering.
However, the earth nature and its concomitant state of consciousness (as part of the evolution of consciousness from a state of involution) has still not shaken off its unregenerate trappings and so killing for food and intake of products of murder seen in the animal and mammalian kingdoms continues on a mass scale.
There can be individual choice/progress in this regard.
Food choice is determined by the state of consciousness one is in.
actually you missed the concept ENTIRELY.

Kosher is not about clean vs unclean (that is an English translation) it is about ritual purity which is very different. Even the word "purity" doesnt do justice to the concept.

"...In Jewish Kosher laws, the use of the terms ‘clean’ and ‘unclean’ has absolutely no relation to the ‘sanitary’ connotations of either antiseptic or dirty, nor of spotlessly clean or filthy.
In actuality, these attributes of clean and unclean are not to be found in the Bible. Instead our interpretation of the classifications of the Hebraic words ‘Tahur’ and ‘Tomei’ is closer to ‘Pure’ and its opposite ‘unpure’. Unfortunately, somewhere down the line these terms were mistranslated as clean or not-clean.

Even the categories of pure and impure have different meanings. In language, pure means unadulterated; in Biblical terms ‘pure’ and ‘impure’ mean entirely different things because it refers to a spiritual level. Something ‘impure’ can, in certain instances, contaminate the ‘pure’ in cases where, for example, they are both ‘under the same tent’.." http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/553,209436...

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"What is important to note is is that hygienic norms are adhered to during the breeding, preservation and cooking stages..."

EXACTLY!- which is why the laws of Koshering apply to the origin and preparation as well as the foods themselves.

(BTW The reason we dont mix milk and meat is to avoid the karmic consequences as having an aninal mother watch her kid get cooked)

After keeping Kosher, it is not difficult for a Jew to turn vegetarian or vegan, because they already understand the discipline required.

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rabbee: yeah! but it is the actual cost, that actually worries me.
wise.

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I'm NOT the author of the expression and I was simply describing it in the way that others would do. If I were class conscious in the way that you are speaking I would NEVER have attended those two churches.

I would have gone to churches where the majority are professionals/business people and YES there are those types of churches.
You are not the author? Did someone else write your post for you?

I said you were class CONSCIOUS. i.e. you were conscious of class distinctions. Obviously you are, or you would of never made that observation.

How much haughtiness or arrogance is imputed by that observation is a secondary, but related discussion.

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I watch them as an adult, every day , on any thread I visit.!!
good answer.
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Former--And no doubt some of your best friends are black people.
HughBe--- Knowing your understanding of BEST I would say close friends. Most of my dear friends are white given that whites form the majority of the Jamaican population.
"According to the 2001 census, the majority of Jamaica's population is of African descent (referring to those who have origins mainly in Africa)."

Do straighten your hair? Bleach your skin?
Pretend to like girls?
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Former--Do you really expect this entire history of your own words to now be overlooked? This is your pattern of making statements and then attempting to suddenly disavow your own words.
HughBe--- I am CONSTANT as the Norther Star.
Constantly full of shxt.

"Norther" star?
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Former--You forgot that some of us actually remember you and your words.
HughBe-- I have not forgotten that it is the habit of some to FABRICATE and to FALSELY attribute words to others.
Remind me with specific examples.
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Former--Integrity is not a quality you are known for here on this forum.
HughBe--- Your words reflect a mind that is seared with hot iron.
Thank you. You hate that I actually remember your words.

You don't want to be accountable for your own drivel.

Too bad for you.
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Former--Focusing on a typo only points up your own weak position. Is that really what you want to focus on?
HughBe--- YOU have not understood my words so go back and read them again and again.
This is your pattern.

To which I previously referred.

Go back and re-read my words.
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HughBe wrote:
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I'm NOT the author of the expression and I was simply describing it in the way that others would do.
In other words:

"Once again I am not responsible for my words because I only stated these words, I did not invent/create them."

Moron.
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If I were class conscious in the way that you are speaking I would NEVER have attended those two churches.
I would have gone to churches where the majority are professionals/business people and YES there are those types of churches.
"I prove every weekend that I am not an elitist becasue I go to a church that is not exclusively populated by rich, white people."

Double moron.

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Triple chuckle

(though the use of the word drivel IS a bit harsh IMO)

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idgaf wrote:
CoR: I don't believe in god due to lack of evidence. I am an atheist.
Idgaf: you've never from your early childhood believed in a higher power than yourself?
You're not one of those people that claim atheists worship themselves as gods, are you? I had higher hopes for you.
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Really? What did you say the last time something bad happened to you? OMG?
OMG is a figure of speech and does not speak to one's theological belief system.
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CoR: I assumed you were agnostic based on your previous posts where you seemed to question the existence of god and/or his attributes, claiming it was unknowable.
Idgaf: the fact that I claim that God is unknowable cannot be why I would be agnostic. I am 100 percent convinced that it is not possible to know God and that He/She/It is something humans simply don't understand.
Like I said - text book definition of agnosticism. Agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief.

Agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable.
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That being said, I believe there is something more powerful than I, what it is, I don't know, but I believe that energy is there somewhere. Call it God, call it Jesus, Call it Heaven or what you may.
Sounds to me like you are an agnostic theist. Similarly, I am an agnostic atheist.
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Idgaf: you are quick ... At times I think you are nearly following me and at times you misunderstand what I state. The point of the question was to bring the exact answer without the "prick" to light.
Thanks, but where do you think I misunderstood you? I knew exactly what the point of the question was, even if you didn't like the way I answered it.
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Why would you waste time trying to pease something that you cannot possibly understand? Going to church. Reading the bible, torah, etc? Praying? In my mind, you will be better prepared to simply live your life and leave nothing on the table.
Agreed
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If God is there, you will find out in due time, if God is not there, you will never know.
Spoken like a true agnostic. My sentiments exactly.
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CoR: OTOH, I might still study one or more of the above topics in an effort to better educate myself, even if I don't intend to take any test.
Idgaf: was not the point of the question, but a good thought none-the-less.
Do I get extra credit ;-)
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Why are you an athiest?
I thought I was pretty clear on this. I'm an atheist because I see no compelling evidence for the existence of a supernatural god.
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Is it possible nothing more powerful than the human exists?
Sure it's possible, but the question really isn't whether or not it's possible. The possibility of something existing doesn't mean it actually does or doesn't. For that, we need evidence. Anything is "possible". Even the existence of Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny.
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Like I said, I believe in what I call God, but it is not like the masses believe. The books tell stories that were put together by humans. You mentioned or asked why I need a God to live. I don't. I choose to believe in something greater than myself 'cause like the ants, we are much more powerful than they and so something more powerful than us is out there somewhere.
Faulty logic. Just because something more "powerful" than ants exists (whatever that means), it doesn't follow logically that something more "powerful" than humans MUST exist. By that logic, you end up in an infinite regress where something more powerful than god MUST exist.
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We have simply not met that yet. Is it God? Is it alien? Is it our Maker? Who knows. That's one of the mysteries.
It's an imaginary mystery of your own making.
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I dunno I think they are no honest about it

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Idgaf: mom was catholic turned to another christian branch.
You stated in your original post that she converted TO Christianity. Do you not consider Catholics to be Christians, or did you just communicate that poorly?
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CoR: Why can't your life have reason or purpose without a god?
Idgaf: I'm perfectly fine. Where's ur question coming from? Angle?
No "angle". Some people believe god must exist in order for us to have purpose and meaning in our lives. Just trying to see where you stand on that issue.
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Too many people need to believe. Read my posts from earlier. Maybe I was asleep writing and confused u.
If someone "needs" to believe, I don't fault them for it. We all have wants and needs. Many of these wants and needs are common across humanity. It's just the way we deal with them that differs.
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CoR: The only thing a god would provide is an externally determined purpose. You can still have an internally determined purpose(s) without a god. And why do we need childish stories of eternal reward or damnation to coerce us into being good. I certainly don't. Do you?
Idgaf: read what I wrote and interpret as you wish ... I am getting "we are in violent agreement" from you on many points in a strange sort of way
I agree, we have more in common than certain others on this forum. What I'm still trying to understand it what drives you to believe in a higher power. Unless I misunderstood, you seem to acknowledge that god is unknowable. You also seem to agree that a person can have meaning and purpose in life without god. So what drives you to believe that a higher power exists?

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(though the use of the word drivel IS a bit harsh IMO)
He calls 'em like he sees 'em.
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Frijoles wrote:
Triple chuckle
(though the use of the word drivel IS a bit harsh IMO)
A couple of days ago he said (1) that when he looks in the mirror, he sees god, and (2) that whatever he accepts/approves of, so does his god.

I'm going to have to go ahead and stand by the word.

driv·el

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Silly nonsense: "don't talk such drivel!".

However, as always, I repect anyone's right to disagree.

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idgaf wrote:
you've never from your early childhood believed in a higher power than yourself?
I realize I may have misinterpreted your response as hostile when, in fact, I shouldn't have.

In answer to your question, I was raised in a religious household. As my critical thinking skills developed and I began questioning what I was taught, I came to realize how improbable that it was actually true.

I'm the type of person that likes to know whether what I believe in is true or not. Faith (belief without evidence), doesn't cut it for me.

Hope this answers your question in a more thoughtful manner.

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former res wrote:
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A couple of days ago he said (1) that when he looks in the mirror, he sees god, and (2) that whatever he accepts/approves of, so does his god.
I'm going to have to go ahead and stand by the word.
driv·el
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Silly nonsense: "don't talk such drivel!".
However, as always, I repect anyone's right to disagree.
:))
No question it was drivel. But I was merely trying to take the edge out of the conversation. Sure Hughbe often posts demeaning and insulting verbiage, but that latest exchange was a little less so (more humorous than anything), and my responses were more towards ribbing.

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I prefer the word babble to drivel. Dunno why.

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No "angle". Some people believe god must exist in order for us to have purpose and meaning in our lives. Just trying to see where you stand on that issue.
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Others (like me) create meaning for their lives on their own, but still accept a God notion. There is that middle ground too.

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I prefer the word babble to drivel. Dunno why.
I prefer to use the word "babble" more as a verb and "drivel" as a known.

For example:

Huggy likes to babble on and on, spouting such silly drivel.

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Frijoles wrote:
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Others (like me) create meaning for their lives on their own, but still accept a God notion. There is that middle ground too.
Understood. But I see the two as mutually exclusive.

I was addressing the throngs of fundies that believe you MUST have a god in order to have meaning and purpose in life. These are the people that typically say such things as "well, it you're an atheist, why don't you just kill yourself since your life has no meaning or purpose".

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Understood. But I see the two as mutually exclusive.
I was addressing the throngs of fundies that believe you MUST have a god in order to have meaning and purpose in life. These are the people that typically say such things as "well, it you're an atheist, why don't you just kill yourself since your life has no meaning or purpose".
But they are not mutually exclusive. Only to Christian fundies they are.

Another example - Do deists rely on God to provide them meaning and purpose?
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JOEL wrote:
Vegetarianism - food with a lofty philosophy, karma-free food.
rabbee: helpless plant murderer! they can't even try to run. due to their, religious upbringing. they can't even fight back, as the only true innocent victems.

so eat your own dirt, you shamefull critter. plants only refine the dirt, for it's own purpose. and animal that eat the plants, just refine the dirt more to their own purpose. they are all, just physical dirt refineries.

all prejudices - are just a matter of the vain perspective, of the totally ignorant of G-D. since it is all made of physical dirt, then you must eat of your own dirt you whole life.

if G-D taboo's anything, you must be missing the reasoning for it. for those who eat, of their horse-crap in the dark shall be called mushrooms. there is more than just physical food, to TheHis Domain. and their are deadlie poisons, in both the physical and mental domains. as most of you, are a G-Dless talksick spill.

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