A beautiful, solitary pine

A beautiful, solitary pine

There are 15 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 9, 2009, titled A beautiful, solitary pine. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

When Highway 61 in the vicinity of Two Harbors was in the design stages, every effort was made to save all trees that could exist on their own when surrounding support was removed.

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Since: Mar 08

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#2 May 10, 2009
" I know there are many others in this state who are willing to pay their fare share of taxes, too. Gov." I agree we should all pay our fare share, but how and who defines what fare is? Many people pay zero taxes even though they have earned income, is that fare? Many people make a lot more than the rest of us and pay a less percentage of tax, is that fare? I'd say no to both. Make it a flat percentage and be done with it.

Since: Mar 08

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#3 May 10, 2009
Scott Sims, the 80 mpg car is an urban tale. You don't think one of the car companies that is going bust would supply this technology in order to save their company if it was true?

“We're all connected”

Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#4 May 10, 2009
Scott Sims: I'llwager a guess that you know the answer: the auto industry and the fuel industry are very closely connected. Until one of two things happen, nothing will change:

* government mandates change
* fuel/auto companies realize there is money in change and decide to change on their own

Looks like we have to settle for option #1.(though I'm seeing small glimmers of hope with more auto companies making various types of hybrids than ever before)

“We're all connected”

Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#5 May 10, 2009
Former Ranger wrote:
Scott Sims, the 80 mpg car is an urban tale. You don't think one of the car companies that is going bust would supply this technology in order to save their company if it was true?
Heck, no, it's not! Do some research on European cars. One of the issues is that car companies are afraid to take the risk. "What if we build it and no one buys it? Oh, well, we better keep doing what we've always been doing, building cars with 25-30mpg; that seems good enough."

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Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#6 May 10, 2009
Former Ranger wrote:
" I know there are many others in this state who are willing to pay their fare share of taxes, too. Gov." I agree we should all pay our fare share, but how and who defines what fare is? Many people pay zero taxes even though they have earned income, is that fare? Many people make a lot more than the rest of us and pay a less percentage of tax, is that fare? I'd say no to both. Make it a flat percentage and be done with it.
No one pays "zero taxes"; payroll taxes kick in on the first dollar earned. In addition, everyone pays sales taxes, user fees, and other state and local taxes not subsumed under income taxes.
Peter

Houston, TX

#7 May 10, 2009
Darwinian wrote:
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No one pays "zero taxes"; payroll taxes kick in on the first dollar earned. In addition, everyone pays sales taxes, user fees, and other state and local taxes not subsumed under income taxes.
But payroll taxes are anything but typical taxes for many people because they're directly tied to benefits on the back-end. It's more like a forced savings than taxation. For higher income people, these really are taxes. Medicare taxes don't have a cap. Now, putting these "taxes" into proper perspective, you're left with a huge number of people that pay, true, not nothing, but very true, next to nothing.

Once you put payroll "taxes"

Since: Mar 08

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#8 May 10, 2009
Darwinian wrote:
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No one pays "zero taxes"; payroll taxes kick in on the first dollar earned. In addition, everyone pays sales taxes, user fees, and other state and local taxes not subsumed under income taxes.
With earned income credits and what not on the local level, it reduces ones's taxable income reportable to the state. While they might have withholding, they get it all back therefore the net tax is zero. You are correct about sales taxes but I don't think the writter was refering to that.
whatever

United States

#9 May 10, 2009
John, we already pay taxes for transporting our good on the highway. Every merchant who sells you an item includes these taxes in the markup.

Since: Mar 08

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#10 May 10, 2009
Mellers wrote:
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Heck, no, it's not! Do some research on European cars. One of the issues is that car companies are afraid to take the risk. "What if we build it and no one buys it? Oh, well, we better keep doing what we've always been doing, building cars with 25-30mpg; that seems good enough."
There are some European cars that get good miliage, around 50 mpg. Those are diesels that for some reason or other we don't or can't have them in this country. However I have yet to find any information on an 80 mpg car that the auto and oil companies can make but are holding back. Why would you hold back a vehicle that could save your company when it's going backrupt? Besides, no one can keep a secret.

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Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#11 May 10, 2009
Former Ranger wrote:
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There are some European cars that get good miliage, around 50 mpg. Those are diesels that for some reason or other we don't or can't have them in this country. However I have yet to find any information on an 80 mpg car that the auto and oil companies can make but are holding back. Why would you hold back a vehicle that could save your company when it's going backrupt? Besides, no one can keep a secret.
http://gas-cost.net/

Funny how the European Ford Focus gets 59 mpg-strange, huh?

Toyota smashes fuel economy record

October 20, 2002

by Ray Hutton



Tucked away on the Toyota stand you will find a cheeky little coupé that looks sporty but whose raison d’être is fuel economy, the lowest exhaust emissions and ease of recycling. The ES3 — the initials stand for Eco Spirit — achieves 104mpg in the official European fuel consumption tests, a record for a four-seat car.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/carmileage

I've posted this link in threads before:

"Overseas, primarily in Europe, there are 113 vehicles for sale that get a combined 40 mpg, up from 86 in 2005. Combined gas mileage is the average of a vehicle’s city and highway mpg numbers."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17344368/

(by the way, there are currently 2 vehicles sold in the US that get a combined 40 mpg or higher. TWO.)

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Since: Feb 08

St Paul, MN

#12 May 10, 2009
Former Ranger wrote:
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There are some European cars that get good miliage, around 50 mpg. Those are diesels that for some reason or other we don't or can't have them in this country. However I have yet to find any information on an 80 mpg car that the auto and oil companies can make but are holding back. Why would you hold back a vehicle that could save your company when it's going backrupt? Besides, no one can keep a secret.
Whoops. Called my mom to wish her happy mother's day and forgot to answer your question. GM made a 80mpg vehicle that was featured in 2001:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/ne...

Admittedly, cost isn't mentioned in the article, so I'll assume what you're thinking, that it's expensive. Yet the technology is there-what few companies have done is experiment with more than 2 types of technology (traditional + battery, traditional plus biofuels, traditional + plug-in).

This vehicle probably looks too "futuristic" to most but if we want to have fuel-efficient cars, they need to be aerodynamic.

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1033/69/

330mpg? I might be able to get over the look in exchange for the fuel efficiency!

My point is, the technology is there. The car companies have the means to be able to make anything they want. They're too scared to take a risk, but not taking a risk did NOT pay off.
freeperson

United States

#13 May 10, 2009
Isn't anyone going to comment on Faith's letter lamenting the dire fate of the poor poor illegals?

I dare not say a word, lest I say too much.
whatever

United States

#14 May 10, 2009
"Isn't anyone going to comment on Faith's letter lamenting the dire fate of the poor poor illegals?

I dare not say a word, lest I say too much." So, what's the deal? You just want someone else to get something started because you don't have the guts?
freeperson

United States

#15 May 11, 2009
whatever wrote:
" You just want someone else to get something started because you don't have the guts?
Not so much about guts, just what I feel about this issue (If I said it all) probably would not get printed. I just feel that others can say it with more class
whatever

United States

#16 May 12, 2009
I'm not sure what kind of immigration refore Ms. Fischer wants. Last I heard immigrants could still apply for green cards, as well as citizenship. Of course, with citizenship, they'd have to learn to speak and read English. Maybe that's considered a hardship. If the town of Postville really wants to be upset with someone, maybe it should be the owners of the packing plant who willingly, knowingly hired illegals.

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