Southern Baptist do gooders face chil...

Southern Baptist do gooders face child trafficking and kidnapping charges

There are 33 comments on the Bene Diction Blogs On story from Feb 1, 2010, titled Southern Baptist do gooders face child trafficking and kidnapping charges. In it, Bene Diction Blogs On reports that:

They aren't in Idaho anymore. 10 SBC church members from Idaho and Texas have been jammed into a small room at Haiti's judicial police headquarters after trying to take children out of the country.

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Dizzysmamma

Anniston, AL

#1 Feb 2, 2010
While I am no fan of the Southern Baptist Church, I do find the name calling in the title of the article offensive and childish. In my opinion, it shows a profound lack of maturity, respect, and intelligence. Shame on you.
BS Article

United States

#3 Feb 4, 2010
Yeah, that's right.
Attack some people trying to help.
See what that does for the relief effort.
How about a statement for those wonderful Hatians shooting at the rescue workers and throwing rocks.
Screw the bastards.
Me, I'm contacting my government officials to prevent any further aid until this is resolved.
Hugh Shlabotnik

Phoenix, AZ

#4 Feb 7, 2010
How self righteous. As it turns out some of these kids were not even orphans and were tricked into believing they were going to a camp.

These people should be punished. No more or no less than anyone else. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine there was a disaster here in the US, and foreigners started coming in a bussing off kids with no documents or papers. That'd be OK. Typical arrogance and typical self righteousness in the name of religion.
samson

Harrison, AR

#5 Feb 7, 2010
Hugh Shlabotnik wrote:
How self righteous. As it turns out some of these kids were not even orphans and were tricked into believing they were going to a camp.
These people should be punished. No more or no less than anyone else. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine there was a disaster here in the US, and foreigners started coming in a bussing off kids with no documents or papers. That'd be OK. Typical arrogance and typical self righteousness in the name of religion.
Get real! Those folks were uninformed and maybe even dumb,but they are not criminals and thought they were helping those kids. If they don't drop this thing they are going to lose a lot of help from people in America.
Hugh Shlabotnik

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Feb 11, 2010
Whatever. I'll say it again. If there was a terrible disaster here in the U.S., and people came here from out of the country and were found trying to cross 2 dozen children at the Mexican border with no paperwork or no right to do so, no proof their parents were not looking for them, you would say they were just trying to help, right? Sorry, just an honest mistake.

Or is it because these accused are Americans it's OK?
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#7 Feb 15, 2010
Hugh Shlabotnik wrote:
Whatever. I'll say it again. If there was a terrible disaster here in the U.S., and people came here from out of the country and were found trying to cross 2 dozen children at the Mexican border with no paperwork or no right to do so, no proof their parents were not looking for them, you would say they were just trying to help, right? Sorry, just an honest mistake.
Or is it because these accused are Americans it's OK?
You know Hugh, if your distain for Americans is that great, why not move back to where ever your from? We no more want you in our country than you want to be here.
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Side note: If your gonna take the above advice do keep in mind that you'll need several different shots just to survive in your native homeland and do try to remember that your government, well, if they get wind of you speaking out against them (like you have done here) they will probably send some people to pay a special visit to you, your wife and your children.

Send us a postcard if they don't lop off your limbs, PRICK!

Johnny Q. American
Enuff Said

Dallas, GA

#8 Feb 15, 2010
Dizzysmamma wrote:
While I am no fan of the Southern Baptist Church, I do find the name calling in the title of the article offensive and childish. In my opinion, it shows a profound lack of maturity, respect, and intelligence. Shame on you.
What is wrong with Southern Baptists? It is not Christ it is all the "Christians" I have never heard in any news casts that those folks are Southern Baptists so how do you know this?
JJJ

Wetumpka, AL

#9 Feb 17, 2010
Johnny Q American wrote:
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You know Hugh, if your distain for Americans is that great, why not move back to where ever your from? We no more want you in our country than you want to be here.
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Side note: If your gonna take the above advice do keep in mind that you'll need several different shots just to survive in your native homeland and do try to remember that your government, well, if they get wind of you speaking out against them (like you have done here) they will probably send some people to pay a special visit to you, your wife and your children.
Send us a postcard if they don't lop off your limbs, PRICK!
Johnny Q. American
Where do you get off suggesting his comments imply that he has disdain for Americans? One of the biggest problems with the political climate in this country is that any time someone is even slightly critical of something Americans do, conservatives are always quick to suggest if they don't like it they can go back where they came from. But your parents or grandparents or great-grandparents were undoubtedly immigrants too! Unless you are 100% Native American, you're so full of it to suggest that as a solution to any dissident opinions.
high weasle

Boise, ID

#10 Feb 18, 2010
Hugh Shlabotnik wrote:
How self righteous. As it turns out some of these kids were not even orphans and were tricked into believing they were going to a camp.
These people should be punished. No more or no less than anyone else. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine there was a disaster here in the US, and foreigners started coming in a bussing off kids with no documents or papers. That'd be OK. Typical arrogance and typical self righteousness in the name of religion.
As it turns out most of those people were not guilty of anything other than believing what their leader told them. She claimed to HAVE the paper work. Last news I saw eight had been released and the other two probably would be soon. I am not so sure the one should be though... There was one unsubstantiated report of large cash offers to "purchase" those children. If true she deserves a very long prison term. There is more than plenty of evidence as to her financial trouble in Idaho to make that a real possibility.
high weasle

Boise, ID

#11 Feb 18, 2010
Enuff Said wrote:
<quoted text>What is wrong with Southern Baptists? It is not Christ it is all the "Christians" I have never heard in any news casts that those folks are Southern Baptists so how do you know this?
Southern Baptist do gooders face child trafficking and kidnapping charges

Perhaps the head line from the Idaho Statesman?

That is a direct copy of their headline above.
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#12 Feb 19, 2010
JJJ wrote:
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Where do you get off suggesting his comments imply that he has disdain for Americans? One of the biggest problems with the political climate in this country is that any time someone is even slightly critical of something Americans do, conservatives are always quick to suggest if they don't like it they can go back where they came from. But your parents or grandparents or great-grandparents were undoubtedly immigrants too! Unless you are 100% Native American, you're so full of it to suggest that as a solution to any dissident opinions.
I stand by what I said.

If your not part of the solution then your probably the problem in the first place.

If you don't love my country then get out.

People just like this above are the same ones crying when we don't fly to their rescue every time a natural disaster or some dictator tries to take over their third world country. And then when we do they pull an all out publicity stunt to shun the "evil Americans" just to gain some more air time on my local news channel.

Hey you may not like what I have to say but I'm just the one saying what everyone like me is already thinking.

JQA
JJJ

Wetumpka, AL

#13 Feb 20, 2010
It still doesn't change the fact that your ancestors are immigrants here too, JQA. It's not just your country, it's OURS. If you don't like the constitutional rights of our country being upheld, maybe you should be the one to get out.

Can you explain how am I, as an American citizen, am "the same ones crying..."?
JJJ

Wetumpka, AL

#14 Feb 20, 2010
So you think that Haitians holding Americans responsible for following their laws when visiting their country is a "publicity stunt?" The only publicity that spreads is the idea that Haiti is striving for some much needed law and order there, and I support that. You should too if you have any desire to see other countries rise above their so-called "Third World" status.

Why can't it be that they are making a statement akin to "Don't think you can come into our country and traffick our children?"
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#15 Feb 21, 2010
JJJ wrote:
So you think that Haitians holding Americans responsible for following their laws when visiting their country is a "publicity stunt?" The only publicity that spreads is the idea that Haiti is striving for some much needed law and order there, and I support that. You should too if you have any desire to see other countries rise above their so-called "Third World" status.
Why can't it be that they are making a statement akin to "Don't think you can come into our country and traffick our children?"
Our very differences of opinion are not going to be settled on this open forum.

You live and believe the way you do. Fine by me.

JQA
Hugh Shlabotnik

Wittmann, AZ

#16 Feb 21, 2010
Johnny Q American wrote:
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I stand by what I said.
If your not part of the solution then your probably the problem in the first place.
If you don't love my country then get out.
People just like this above are the same ones crying when we don't fly to their rescue every time a natural disaster or some dictator tries to take over their third world country. And then when we do they pull an all out publicity stunt to shun the "evil Americans" just to gain some more air time on my local news channel.
Hey you may not like what I have to say but I'm just the one saying what everyone like me is already thinking.
JQA
In saying "people like this above", you mean me like I'm not from here. I've got news for you pal, I was born here and just as much a citicen as you are, and like the other poster stated it does not make me un-American to criticize shady Americans breaking another nations laws.

I consider myself proud to be American, I served in the military, I've never taken a dime off the government in my life they didn't underpay me for. I also consider myself a citizen of the world first, I don't think being American gives you the right to stomp on other cultures, nations or people.

How about if I thought like you do, since you don't agree with me and how I feel: Get out out of MY country.
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#17 Feb 21, 2010
Hugh Shlabotnik wrote:
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In saying "people like this above", you mean me like I'm not from here. I've got news for you pal, I was born here and just as much a citicen as you are, and like the other poster stated it does not make me un-American to criticize shady Americans breaking another nations laws.
I consider myself proud to be American, I served in the military, I've never taken a dime off the government in my life they didn't underpay me for. I also consider myself a citizen of the world first, I don't think being American gives you the right to stomp on other cultures, nations or people.
How about if I thought like you do, since you don't agree with me and how I feel: Get out out of MY country.
Southern Baptist do gooders face child trafficking and kidnapping charges

They aren't in Idaho anymore.

This is the title to this thread is it not?

A little harsh if you ask me. Yet you a "patriot" from Idaho couldn't resist getting onto an open forum and blasting away your lovely opinion of Americans and the people of your own home state.

Hey they made some mistakes, who doesn't?

A bit of advice for the unlearned potato picker from Idaho. In the future, if you think that there might be someone out there in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, say on an OPEN FORUM, that might disagree with your acute opinion of our country, it's citizens or well the TWENTY MILLION PLUS congregation of the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention). Take a minute to ask yourself "will everybody agree with me" and realize that the answer is certainly not.

I am one of those people. Just to make sure though that I have your position down, you are a proud American military man from the predominantly Christian state of Idaho who has no problem with blasting Americans in general, people from Idaho, Christians, and according to your last post, your government, because they "underpayed" you.

Right, I got it.

Johnny Q
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#18 Feb 21, 2010
Hugh Shlabotnik wrote:
<quoted text>
In saying "people like this above", you mean me like I'm not from here. I've got news for you pal, I was born here and just as much a citicen as you are, and like the other poster stated it does not make me un-American to criticize shady Americans breaking another nations laws.
I consider myself proud to be American, I served in the military, I've never taken a dime off the government in my life they didn't underpay me for. I also consider myself a citizen of the world first, I don't think being American gives you the right to stomp on other cultures, nations or people.
How about if I thought like you do, since you don't agree with me and how I feel: Get out out of MY country.
Shlabotnik, is that Russian? LOL

CB

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#19 Feb 21, 2010
Johnny Q American said "If you don't love my country then get out."

Do you have any proof of ownership other than that your ancestors killed off most of mine and ruined our land?
Johnny Q American

Hopkins, SC

#20 Feb 21, 2010
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Johnny Q American said "If you don't love my country then get out."
Do you have any proof of ownership other than that your ancestors killed off most of mine and ruined our land?
No, Didn't know I needed any. LOL

JQA
Hugh Shlabotnik

Wittmann, AZ

#21 Feb 21, 2010
Johnny Q American wrote:
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Southern Baptist do gooders face child trafficking and kidnapping charges
They aren't in Idaho anymore.
This is the title to this thread is it not?
A little harsh if you ask me. Yet you a "patriot" from Idaho couldn't resist getting onto an open forum and blasting away your lovely opinion of Americans and the people of your own home state.
Hey they made some mistakes, who doesn't?
A bit of advice for the unlearned potato picker from Idaho. In the future, if you think that there might be someone out there in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, say on an OPEN FORUM, that might disagree with your acute opinion of our country, it's citizens or well the TWENTY MILLION PLUS congregation of the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention). Take a minute to ask yourself "will everybody agree with me" and realize that the answer is certainly not.
I am one of those people. Just to make sure though that I have your position down, you are a proud American military man from the predominantly Christian state of Idaho who has no problem with blasting Americans in general, people from Idaho, Christians, and according to your last post, your government, because they "underpayed" you.
Right, I got it.
Johnny Q
First I never criticized our country, I criticized Americans who think they can force their will or religions on people who didn't ask for it. Second, find someone who says the Army overpayed them LOL, it was a joke. Third, isn't it ironic that I learned my attitude, thankfully, from none other than the United States Army.

One thing I learned from being in other nations was I thank my lucky stars I live here in the United States, and proud to say I do so. Another is that people from other countries are indeed people most just trying to eek out a living and take care of their families in places where the governments enslave, discard, and ignore them, as human beings they deserve respect and dignity.

The military has received some bad press at times, but from what I experienced, there was zero tolerance from at least my superiors for anything but treating the citizens of other countries, their laws, and their beliefs with the utmost respect and dignity, whether you agreed with them or not. Especially if you are in THEIR country, on their soil!

So basically you think people, no matter their intentions because that is debatable,(and I could care less what or how they worship), have to answer to nobody and can ignore the laws of another nation. And what my military superiors taught me on how to behave in another country was wrong.

I guess we just disagree.

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