Proposed Orange electrical licensing ...

Proposed Orange electrical licensing law has little opposition

There are 40 comments on the Mid-Hudson News story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Proposed Orange electrical licensing law has little opposition. In it, Mid-Hudson News reports that:

Electricians, contractors and a trade association official Friday asked questions of a committee of the Orange County Legislature that is exploring the possibility of creating a countywide electrical licensing ...

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Bill Lemanski

Bronx, NY

#1 Jul 28, 2006
The proposed legislation is just another attempt for government to find another revenue stream and the local (electrical) business interests to elbow out competition for business advantage.

The real answer is to analyze the statistics and trend the number of fires and/or other electrical problems that are attributed to documented problems by non-licensed work - the answer is very little or none.

Then why write another law, create additional buracracy and cost except for financial gain?
Joe Cantel

Brooklyn, NY

#2 Jul 31, 2006
What will happen to the existing electrician's that do not have a license? How strick would the rules be to obtain one,after this law were to be in place.This proposed law could very well hurt alot electrician's of orange county as well as there famlies by placing unobtainable licensing standards,that would only benfits ones that are currently licensed.

Seattle, WA

#3 Aug 15, 2006
TOugh on those who can't meet the requirements. That's why the license is there! We want to weed out the incompetent hackers and make the profession accountable for itself. As for analyzing the statistics, that's brilliant. How can you do that when all the electricians in the county are unlicensed? We have no license! How could you ever track unlicensed electricians anyway? Ridiculous. Just some 3rd rate electricians trying to avoid being held responsible for their actions. Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too!
Jeff Glanstein


#4 Dec 11, 2006
I very much support the establishment of licensing and regulation of the skilled trades. Specifically electric and plumbing. The more accountable and higher standard are the licensees the better quality work that is tendered to the community. NYC has a tougher electrical code; they have less electrical fatalities. Nassau County has a tough fire code, they have far fewer fire related damages and casualties. When there is no regulation and anyone with a pliers and a screwdriver calls themself an electrician we have something to worry about. Ask any experienced electrician what is the wors type of job and he will tell you "fixing up someone's botched up job." Perhaps not exactly in those words but certainly to the point. I wanted to show up and testify at the Orange County Public Meeting but my timing didn't allow it.
I do have one complaint, and I wish that I could have expressed it. I think the fee for applying for, testing and licensing should not be $500.00. A more modest fee like $100.00, but for sure not more that $250.00. How can a little county likr Orange levy such a high fee? NYC is only $250.00. Sullivan County is $100.00. New Jersey State, the Entire State, is less than NYC. OK, so I'll make it up on the first job. That's right, for this rip-off the consumer will pay. Not such a big rip-off as compared to the cost of insurance we have to pay.
I am licensed in New Jersey and Sullivan County, NY.


#5 Dec 28, 2006
If the work is inspected by a bonded, insured, underwriter and is certified that it meets the National Electric Code what does it matter who did it? If the work is not inspected it is illegal no matter who did it. Do you think the license holder is the person performing the actual work? Who appoints this new electrical board? Good ol boy syndrome at its best. Give me a break.

United States

#6 Jan 20, 2007
why no more talk on this?

United States

#7 Jan 20, 2007
Joe Blow can wire your house but I'd rather have a qualified electrician do mine. It's not a good ol boys network and anyone qualified can obtain a licence.

If you need a switch fixed or a light changed nobody will arrest you for doing it but the law will keep the bumbo's at bay from screwing up the wiring in a house and causing a lot of damage and perhaps loss of life.

Now on to licencing the rest of the contractors who cheat consumers.

United States

#8 Jan 20, 2007
$500 for the test seems a little steep . in most cases if you dont pass the money isnt refunded. there are a lot of handyman outfits out there and who knows what kind of electrical knowledge they have. it is usually the senior citizens that get taken on things like this.some jobs around the house need to be done right.

Glen Allen, VA

#9 Jan 21, 2007
Looks like those that issue the licences are gouging a bit.
Jeff Glanstein


#10 Jan 31, 2007
There are always ways to fool an inspector. Even though you have open wall and closed wall inspection, no inspector ever really sees everything. So, you have insurance and the inspection agency has insurance. Now go and try to collect on that insurance after you have had a fire, loos of property, or health, or life. The best guarantee of quality work is to demand hgih standards and qualifications of the people doing the work. Some states, e.g., California, require those working as apprentices to have some certification and training prior to actually wiring anybody's premises.
Red Fox

United States

#11 Jan 31, 2007
As if you need to show some kind of proof of training and your license when giving a quote to a customer.It seems the general public needs to be sure they are getting a qualified person.
1 Builder

Port Jervis, NY

#12 Feb 2, 2007
There should be a license for all gereral contractors in orange county. The main reason is that all contractors will carry the necessary insurance, and if something goes wrong someone will be acountable.


#13 Feb 4, 2007
The best proof the customer has to insure quality work is ask for enough references to satisfy them. No references = no job. The licence holder can send anyone they want to do the work under their license. I believe that anyuone who has read the law will agree teh "qualifications" which are to the "satisfaction of the licensing board" are overly restrictive to all but long established OC electricians. If you have decades of part time experience in OC, or you are a journeyman from out of county and worked under someone elses license and want to start a business you do not qualify. IF the homeowner checked references and the completed work passes inspection why shoud it matter who performed it? Let the OC govt worry about requiring insurance and protecting the consumer and let electricians worry about electricity. If they want to do it right license the mechanics that touch tools and not the company president.

New York, NY

#16 Feb 6, 2007
In regards to this issue I would like to say that number 1-Even if a contracter gets a licence it does not mean much as to what goes on on the job,
Because bosses usually dont work and have little knowlegde of what accualy goes on on the job. Example PREMIER ELECTRICAL SERVICES.2 It doesnt matter if all contracters have licences because none of the REAL workers do right? So it is just a big scam to rape people of their hard earned money.3 I had enough of this crap already.

Newburgh, NY

#17 Feb 12, 2007
In today's paper Ed Diana puts G-d and his electrical licensing law in the same mouthful. The Dutchess Co. exec. has said it's bureaucracy disguised as consumer protection and he will never allow it in Dutchess. How do we get this guy to move to Orange?

New York, NY

#18 Apr 15, 2007
If electrical wiring is continued to be done by people that don't know the difference between a neutral and ground or whats the difference between a single pole switch and a three way. These are the questions that are asked of me all day long by the Electricians who are doing the wiring of people who do not know who they are hiring because a licence is not required .Study and get a licence or get out of the field. The firemen have enough work.

United States

#19 Jul 2, 2007
I'm a 22 year old who has been doing this scence I have been 12 helping my dad and grandfather both electricians. I went to school and everything for it and have had my own business scence I was 17 in my name paying taxes every year. All my work has been inspected and passed. I have a hard enough time getting work because of my age and cause of ediots out their doing crappy work. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO TAKE THE LISCENING TEST AND WHO TO CONTACT? This is my trade and Im not going out of business cause of a liscense!
Jeff Glanstein


#20 Jul 9, 2007
For Kyle: You might have some experience. Beautiful. You also need an education. Proferring to you a license as a Master Electrician has many responsibilities and many opportunities. Could you wire up the Empire State Building? The Yankee Stadium? A 92 apartment luxury apartment building with multiple services and sub-meters? Could you design and install a fully addressable fire alarm with over 300 devices? Do you have a High School Diploma? To wire a residential building is child's play compared to the technical possibilities of a Master Electrician. To protect yourself, your customers, and the community at large we require everyone who wants to hold him/herself as qualified to proove substantially that they have the knowledge to meet the challenge. Why should this be difficult to accept? Would you expect to get a High School diploma simply because you attended High school for 5 years? Certification comes by prooving the level of competency that is required by those working under the certificate. good luck.

Walden, NY

#21 Jul 23, 2007
Don't confuse Electrician with Electrical Engineer. I know a "Master Electrician" and he's an idiot, but he passed a test. A license does not guarantee competence.
Alex chester ny

Brooklyn, NY

#22 Dec 11, 2007
As a master electrician and electrical inspector in nyc I can tell you that any person performing electrical work should be licensed or work for a licensed person simply because there are many many so called electricians out there that can make a circuit work but could never in a million years tell you why. It would be like joe blow acting as a surgeon and removing your kidney. He may be able to remove it but would'nt be able to handle anything that went wrong. I could not believe it when I was told that anyone was allowed to do electrical work without a license in orange county.Qualifed tradesmen benefits everyone.

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