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Little emblems of American history are scattered throughout Daniel Keel's home. A black-and-white photo shows a baby-faced Keel decked out in his military uniform. Read more
Redogg

Deland, FL

#1 Jan 17, 2009
There are countless other heroic WWII veterans that did not receive an invite to this event because their skin color is not dark.
UNbelievable

Kissimmee, FL

#2 Jan 17, 2009
Redogg wrote:
There are countless other heroic WWII veterans that did not receive an invite to this event because their skin color is not dark.
Yes, it has to do with skin color, but in this case I think the honor is deserved. These heroes were separated from other airmen BECAUSE they were black, and greatly distinguished themselves throughout the war.

We're still a long, long way from making skin color a non-issue.
Redogg

Deland, FL

#3 Jan 17, 2009
UNbelievable wrote:
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Yes, it has to do with skin color, but in this case I think the honor is deserved. These heroes were separated from other airmen BECAUSE they were black, and greatly distinguished themselves throughout the war.
We're still a long, long way from making skin color a non-issue.
So now it's OK if the same thing is done, just the other way around?
UNbelievable

Kissimmee, FL

#4 Jan 17, 2009
Redogg wrote:
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So now it's OK if the same thing is done, just the other way around?
Not at all. I just think some topics should be off limits to skin color comments, and anything pertaining to these airmen are one of those topics. They deserve our respect.
Redogg

Deland, FL

#5 Jan 18, 2009
UNbelievable wrote:
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Not at all. I just think some topics should be off limits to skin color comments, and anything pertaining to these airmen are one of those topics. They deserve our respect.
Why shouldn't have every living heroic WWII veteran been invited to this event? The bottom line is that some got invited because they are black while those who are not black did not get invited.

There should be nothing "off-limits" about that kind of discrimination. If things like that are off-limits then what were those men, including those who were black, fighting for?
UNbelievable

Kissimmee, FL

#6 Jan 18, 2009
Redogg wrote:
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Why shouldn't have every living heroic WWII veteran been invited to this event? The bottom line is that some got invited because they are black while those who are not black did not get invited.
There should be nothing "off-limits" about that kind of discrimination. If things like that are off-limits then what were those men, including those who were black, fighting for?
OK, since it looks like it's just the two of us discussing this...

The Tuskeegee Airmen were grouped together because they are black. They were given the worst quarters, minimal training, no amenities, etc. Everything they got, compared to their white peers, was substandard. Yet they distinguished themselves greatly.

I think, in similar circumstances, I would have sat out the war and bitterly cursed those who were too ignorant to see my potential value.

Now they are getting to see their "dream come true" - one of "their own people" elected president of the US. It's got to mean much more to them than it does to you or me.

In other words, they did more than their fair share in the "fight for equality." And now they get to experience the ultimate reward for that fight.

I've been really disgusted by all the "African American" BS that is taking place over Obama's election. Jerk offs like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, etc., have no place in this parade. But in the case of these airmen, I'm kind of excited to have the few that are still living get to experience this bit of American history being made.
Redogg

Deland, FL

#8 Jan 18, 2009
UNbelievable wrote:
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OK, since it looks like it's just the two of us discussing this...
The Tuskeegee Airmen were grouped together because they are black. They were given the worst quarters, minimal training, no amenities, etc. Everything they got, compared to their white peers, was substandard. Yet they distinguished themselves greatly.
I think, in similar circumstances, I would have sat out the war and bitterly cursed those who were too ignorant to see my potential value.
Now they are getting to see their "dream come true" - one of "their own people" elected president of the US. It's got to mean much more to them than it does to you or me.
In other words, they did more than their fair share in the "fight for equality." And now they get to experience the ultimate reward for that fight.
I've been really disgusted by all the "African American" BS that is taking place over Obama's election. Jerk offs like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, etc., have no place in this parade. But in the case of these airmen, I'm kind of excited to have the few that are still living get to experience this bit of American history being made.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. What happened in the past is in the past. In today's world, one group should not be given precedence over another simply because of skin color, especially when it comes to government sanctioned events. If I were a white WWII veteran that stormed Normandy, I would be completely offended by not receiving an invite.

What do you mean by "one of their own"? Are you promoting racial divisions? Doesn't supporting such a statement imply that? And really, if we want to get technical about it, why could white WWII vets not claim Obama as "one of their own"? He is, after all, the product of a white woman as well and was raised by a white family.
UNbelievable

Kissimmee, FL

#9 Jan 19, 2009
Redogg wrote:
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We're going to have to agree to disagree here. What happened in the past is in the past. In today's world, one group should not be given precedence over another simply because of skin color, especially when it comes to government sanctioned events. If I were a white WWII veteran that stormed Normandy, I would be completely offended by not receiving an invite.
What do you mean by "one of their own"? Are you promoting racial divisions? Doesn't supporting such a statement imply that? And really, if we want to get technical about it, why could white WWII vets not claim Obama as "one of their own"? He is, after all, the product of a white woman as well and was raised by a white family.
"One of their own" was in quotes because that's how blacks have laid claim to Obama. That terminology won't change for a few more decades.

I'd be amazed to find a white person saying the same...

I think emphasizing his skin color is wrong on all accounts. But it is being "highlighted", and we can't do anything about it.

Therefore, in this context, if "someone of color" is going to be rewarded for something, I can't think of any group more deserving than these airmen.

So while I think the whole thing is disingenuous, I'm still happy that these old vets are getting honored.

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