Franklin County legislators debate sh...

Franklin County legislators debate sheriff's services

There are 41 comments on the Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal story from Sep 6, 2013, titled Franklin County legislators debate sheriff's services. In it, Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal reports that:

The arrest of Franklin County Legislator Guy 'Tim' Smith, D-Fort Covington, on Aug. 16 by a county sheriff's deputy left county legislators questioning what services the sheriff's department provides.

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Cleanupmalone

New York, NY

#1 Sep 8, 2013
Franklin county need a sheriff dept road patrol, state cant always be there and local pd has limited jurisdiction so there needs to be more law enforcement to cover the other areas and extra, obviously this county needs more coverage i mean look at this huge drug bust we just had
Yeah But

New York, NY

#2 Sep 11, 2013
That 'huge drug bust' we just had was a farce. It was political theater aimed at making people believe the District Attorney is doing his job when it's as obvious as anything that he will NEVER prosecute the suppliers. Not now, not EVER.

The act of a deputy arresting a county legislator for DUI makes the case for consolidation far more pervasively.

The county and various municipalities would gain and save by consolidating the various police agencies under a single administration. And people would be better served if police were not directly under the thumb of corrupt local governments. We might even see prosecution based on the 'what' and not the 'who', if police officers who patrol a given community were not from that area, and related to or friends with half of the people who should be in jail.

But the drug bust? NO. That was pure FARCE. As usual.
Just me

New York, NY

#3 Sep 11, 2013
Why do you call thirty eight people arrested a farce ? That's 38 people that won't be selling drugs to your children.
Yeah But

New York, NY

#4 Sep 11, 2013
Yes. I call arresting 38 chronically impaired individuals and calling it a 'drug bust' a FARCE.

It was POLITICAL THEATER aimed at making the DISTRICT ATTORNEY look like he's doing his job, when he apparently has no intention whatsoever of EVER prosecuting a SUPPLIER.

Oh, riiiight... and that he's sitting in an ELECTED OFFICE, to which he has apparently been appointed for LIFE, along with his counterbalance, the COUNTY TREASURER. Oh yeah... nothing to see here.

And if any of these people are selling to YOUR kid? Then your kid is awfully bad off. Apparently, the apple hasn't fallen very far from the tree, has it?

I'll tell you what... if police services ever WERE consolidated, under the central administration of the sheriff's office? We WOULD need a different sheriff. This one isn't NEARLY up to the task. You don't need to look any further than the Chic Fountain fiasco, or any of a number of creepy political games played with public safety, for proof of that.
Got a clue

New York, NY

#5 Sep 11, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
Yes. I call arresting 38 chronically impaired individuals and calling it a 'drug bust' a FARCE.
It was POLITICAL THEATER aimed at making the DISTRICT ATTORNEY look like he's doing his job, when he apparently has no intention whatsoever of EVER prosecuting a SUPPLIER.
Oh, riiiight... and that he's sitting in an ELECTED OFFICE, to which he has apparently been appointed for LIFE, along with his counterbalance, the COUNTY TREASURER. Oh yeah... nothing to see here.
And if any of these people are selling to YOUR kid? Then your kid is awfully bad off. Apparently, the apple hasn't fallen very far from the tree, has it?
I'll tell you what... if police services ever WERE consolidated, under the central administration of the sheriff's office? We WOULD need a different sheriff. This one isn't NEARLY up to the task. You don't need to look any further than the Chic Fountain fiasco, or any of a number of creepy political games played with public safety, for proof of that.
Your last paragraph shows exactly how misinformed and clueless you really are. Do yourself a favor and research the facts before posting such nonsense.
Yeah But

New York, NY

#6 Sep 11, 2013
Riiiight.

And there's NO self- promotion going on in THIS thread, either.

When PIGS FLY.
out of the blue

New York, NY

#7 Sep 11, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
And if any of these people are selling to YOUR kid? Then your kid is awfully bad off. Apparently, the apple hasn't fallen very far from the tree, has it?
Where does this come from? This is totally out of left field, although not an unusual debating for you.
Oh yeah, just an FYI, the DA can't prosecute until the police arrest. So--maybe the problem isn't the DA?
Finally, at what level would you manage a local police force-town, county, state, fed?
Got a clue

Cicero, NY

#8 Sep 11, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
Riiiight.
And there's NO self- promotion going on in THIS thread, either.
When PIGS FLY.
I have nothing to do with either office or any law enforcement agency for that matter, I'm just stating a very obvious fact.

You are bad mouthing the Sheriff for doing his job and blaming him for Chick Fountain when he really has nothing to do with that except having to work with him. Chick is an employee ( or contractor) to the county through the DA.

Like I said, you're clueless.
some facts

New York, NY

#9 Sep 11, 2013
Got a clue wrote:
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I have nothing to do with either office or any law enforcement agency for that matter, I'm just stating a very obvious fact.
You are bad mouthing the Sheriff for doing his job and blaming him for Chick Fountain when he really has nothing to do with that except having to work with him. Chick is an employee ( or contractor) to the county through the DA.
Like I said, you're clueless.
Nope...its through the sheriff's office and budget.
so what

Boston, MA

#10 Sep 12, 2013
some facts wrote:
<quoted text>Nope...its through the sheriff's office and budget.
Who gives a shit if it is or isn't? The program is saving me and the rest of the tax payers of this county money! I don't give two shits who's running it or monitoring the douche bags with the bracelets on. There hasn't been an issue yet, so obviously the guy is doing a good job.

Kinda funny this debate started after a drunk ( or impaired) legislator was arrested for dwai. Why is it people are so quick to forgive a legislator for drinking and driving but want to hang Joe Public for doing the same? The sheriff is out doing the job they are paid to do, protect and serve indiscriminately, which I for one appreciate and applaud. it's about time we have someone in an elected position who will do what we elected them to do and won't be persuaded by someone with " power".

Pretty sad that this county and its legislators are more concerned about pointing the finger at the Sheriff and not actually look at the piece of shit drunk sitting at the same table they are.
Laugher

New York, NY

#11 Sep 12, 2013
The problem is that MANY local citizens are concerned that the Legislator was targeted by the deputy, who is involved in a contract dispute with the Legislators. We are concerned about the actions of many local police forces. During the discussion about dissolving the Village there were accusations of harassment of pro dissolution activists by Village Police.

Police have huge power, and they aren't Saints. We need close and active supervision of police by ALL citizens. Also supervision of All municipal officials.
so what

Wellesley, MA

#12 Sep 12, 2013
Laugher wrote:
The problem is that MANY local citizens are concerned that the Legislator was targeted by the deputy, who is involved in a contract dispute with the Legislators. We are concerned about the actions of many local police forces. During the discussion about dissolving the Village there were accusations of harassment of pro dissolution activists by Village Police.
Police have huge power, and they aren't Saints. We need close and active supervision of police by ALL citizens. Also supervision of All municipal officials.
So you are questioning the integrity of the Deputy who did the job he took an oath to do? Did the Deputy drink the alcohol for the legislator? Did the Deputy drive for the legislator? Or is it possible the old dunk bastard finally ran into someone who didn't give a shit about his title? What would peoples feelings be if the Deputy let him go because of who he was?

There is no doubt that the legislator that was arrested started this rumor, hell what does he have to lose now?? The fact remains he drank the alcohol and he drove the car. Like I said it is pretty friggin sad that there are people in this community who would rather question the Deputy who did what we pay him to do rather than ask why a 71 year old legislator is out drinking and driving.
Yeah But

New York, NY

#13 Sep 12, 2013
Laugher wrote:
The problem is that MANY local citizens are concerned that the Legislator was targeted by the deputy, who is involved in a contract dispute with the Legislators. We are concerned about the actions of many local police forces. During the discussion about dissolving the Village there were accusations of harassment of pro dissolution activists by Village Police.
Police have huge power, and they aren't Saints. We need close and active supervision of police by ALL citizens. Also supervision of All municipal officials.
And that's the problem, isn't it? There certainly weren't MANY local citizens nearly as concerned last week, when the sampling of local chronically impaired KIDS were TARGETED, busted, and hauled off, their lives ruined. Where was the local hot shot attorney THEN, all over the freaking newspapers trying to confuse the issue and mislead the public, in an effort to demonstrate that his POLITICAL client is WAAAAY above the law?

The problem is that there is a significant double standard here, and if you think for an instant that any of this insanity is going down unchallenged, you might just want to think about that one again.
Yeah But

New York, NY

#14 Sep 12, 2013
so what wrote:
<quoted text>
Who gives a shit if it is or isn't? The program is saving me and the rest of the tax payers of this county money! I don't give two shits who's running it or monitoring the douche bags with the bracelets on. There hasn't been an issue yet, so obviously the guy is doing a good job.
Kinda funny this debate started after a drunk ( or impaired) legislator was arrested for dwai. Why is it people are so quick to forgive a legislator for drinking and driving but want to hang Joe Public for doing the same? The sheriff is out doing the job they are paid to do, protect and serve indiscriminately, which I for one appreciate and applaud. it's about time we have someone in an elected position who will do what we elected them to do and won't be persuaded by someone with " power".
Pretty sad that this county and its legislators are more concerned about pointing the finger at the Sheriff and not actually look at the piece of shit drunk sitting at the same table they are.
There have been many issues, including significant lapses in supervision. Just because you don't hear about it in this wasteland does not make it not a problem.
Laugher

New York, NY

#15 Sep 12, 2013
To respond to the two above shots at my comment:
1 - Yeah. Deputies aren't Saints. So they should be questioned regularly. That's one of the things about a democracy, the cops don't run the show.
2 - I do not support the War on Drugs, or as it should be known, the War on Citizens. There is a double standard, and it needs to be loosened for everyone but particularly those who are most vulnerable. No one questioned the statement that the Village Police were accused of harassment of people favoring Village dissolution.

Cops aren't Saints. Not even the good ones. But they do have a ton of power and need strict oversight.
so what

Waldorf, MD

#16 Sep 12, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been many issues, including significant lapses in supervision. Just because you don't hear about it in this wasteland does not make it not a problem.
You just exposed yourself.
Huh

New York, NY

#17 Sep 12, 2013
Laugher wrote:
To respond to the two above shots at my comment:
1 - Yeah. Deputies aren't Saints. So they should be questioned regularly. That's one of the things about a democracy, the cops don't run the show.
2 - I do not support the War on Drugs, or as it should be known, the War on Citizens. There is a double standard, and it needs to be loosened for everyone but particularly those who are most vulnerable. No one questioned the statement that the Village Police were accused of harassment of people favoring Village dissolution.
Cops aren't Saints. Not even the good ones. But they do have a ton of power and need strict oversight.
That was exactly my point. I really don't give a damn about arresting people for drugs, or not arresting people for drugs. My point was that all these characters are rounded up, and people cheer. A county legislator is arrested for DUI, and you say there's a popular outrage. That's an overstatement, but I agree with the gist of it, and your sentiment.

This is a problem. I realize there's substantial brain drain going on here, and that people are being whipped up in both instances. At the base of it all is that double standard, and it seems to apply to law enforcement and criminal prosecution, along with everything else.

It seems as though so many local people are immersed in it that they don't even see it.

No problem there. I see it.

A double standard in the legal system is intolerable. And it cannot continue.
how

New York, NY

#18 Sep 12, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
<quoted text>
There have been many issues, including significant lapses in supervision. Just because you don't hear about it in this wasteland does not make it not a problem.
How do you hear of them?
how

New York, NY

#19 Sep 12, 2013
Yeah But wrote:
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the sampling of local chronically impaired KIDS were TARGETED, busted, and hauled off, their lives ruined.
They ruined their own lives and they are criminals. I WILL NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.
what

New York, NY

#22 Sep 13, 2013
so what wrote:
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My guess " Yeah but" is our union guy who is up the legislators ass. I work along side this rat and on more than one occasion have told this douche that it isn't the Sheriff or Undersheriff that is the enemy, it is the bastards who just a couple weeks before we were supposed to get our raises, yanked it out from under us, yet this dip shit is so far up the legislators asses he is too blind to see that.
Wake up people!! I hate to agree with a drug pusher sympathizer, but why is it people cheer when a drug dealer gets arrested and people applaud the police, but when a drunk legislator gets arrested its a conspiracy?? Give me a break!!
Damn hypocrites.
The people aren't claiming conspiracy-they're cheering the arrest and hoping the legislator gets the same treatment they would. the other legislators are claiming conspiracy and the people are p/o'd at them for that. don't now where you're getting your news, but its wrong. you're creating a controversy where there is none.

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