Toomey & Audette Not ‘Aggrieved

Toomey & Audette Not ‘Aggrieved

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“Springtime In New Mexico, YES!”

Since: Jun 09

Elephant Butte Sierra County

#1 Feb 24, 2010
http://heraldpub.com/news.pdf

CAVERS LOSE!
Justice served again!
just cuz

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#2 Feb 24, 2010
cloudynm wrote:
http://heraldpub.com/news.pdf
CAVERS LOSE!
Justice served again!
Old news. That was last week. I believe I saw a discussion on this story last Thursday or Friday.

Curious though, why do you keep pointing to the one publication that's always behind the curve by almost a full week? The Sentinel had the whole story, including quotes and all, last Friday. I'm sure a subscription (they even offer home delivery) would help keep you up on the latest goings on. That way you wouldn't be left out on current events. The 'other paper' does have some stuff, but mostly just what happens on the weekends.
vMonia

Lincoln, NE

#3 Feb 24, 2010
It's probably because the Sentinel doesn't post their paper online. It's really hard to point someone to a hard copy on the internet. BTW. Both papers serve their purpose in the community. Since they spread their publication dates apart, it is much more worthwhile to purchase both. I think its a win-win for both of them. Especially with the hard times of newspapers now days.
durablebrad

Espanola, NM

#4 Feb 24, 2010
The conclusion that the plaintiffs are not to be considered an "aggrieved party" is based upon a subjective interpretation of law by the T or C City Attorney, which was unanimously reflected in the P & Z vote.

Mr. Rubin's opinion, does not take into account a prior legal precedent which clearly established that any citizen seeking remedy in an attempt to compel their local government to enforce its own ordinances and resolutions is in fact, an "aggrieved party."

If you need the legal citation, just let me know and I will post it here.

Everyone loses when the a city government feels that enforcement of the law is optional and response becomes an arbitrary decision based upon the last name of the offending party. If appeals of such improper conduct are subsequently treated with contempt by city officials and staff, then further action rises to the level of civic necessity.

Those who would refuse to comply with established limits on domestic well-water usage, proper zoning restriction, and business registration on both a local and state level have established the very cause of the "aggrieved party." Proper compliance, or consequential enforcement, rather than obfuscation by local government supported by local media would have eliminated that cause of action.

PLEASE NOTE: Jay Rubin previously advised the T or C City Commissioners that they could violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and the New Mexico Open Meetings Act in an opinion offered in support of proposed Resolution #14-09/10 in October of 2009. This opinion was proven to be completely invalid, and the resolution, which was illegally signed into law by Mayor Lori Montgomery in November of 2009, was subsequently nullified and erased in an illegal revision of the meeting minutes.
durablebrad

Espanola, NM

#5 Feb 24, 2010
Yes, vMonia, I completely agree with you: "Both papers do serve their purposes in the community."

It's just somewhat unfortunate that objective journalism, with a clear commitment and intent to the suppression of violations of law committed by community business owners and local government, is not one of those "purposes."

Is it any wonder "it's a win-win for both of them," when both publications remain content to compete in a private contest of flattery, showering unmerited praise upon the questionable decisions of public officials, and the illegal actions of those business interests content to profit from our ignorance?

Where is I.F. Stone when you need him? Not working at The Herald or The Sentinel, I can guarantee you of that.

vMonia wrote:
It's probably because the Sentinel doesn't post their paper online. It's really hard to point someone to a hard copy on the internet. BTW. Both papers serve their purpose in the community. Since they spread their publication dates apart, it is much more worthwhile to purchase both. I think its a win-win for both of them. Especially with the hard times of newspapers now days.
law abider

United States

#6 Feb 24, 2010
Which days are we allowed to water the lawn?
Cavers Need Reality Check

Elk Grove, CA

#7 Feb 24, 2010
durablebrad wrote:
The conclusion that the plaintiffs are not to be considered an "aggrieved party" is based upon a subjective interpretation of law by the T or C City Attorney, which was unanimously reflected in the P & Z vote.
Mr. Rubin's opinion, does not take into account a prior legal precedent which clearly established that any citizen seeking remedy in an attempt to compel their local government to enforce its own ordinances and resolutions is in fact, an "aggrieved party."
If you need the legal citation, just let me know and I will post it here.
Everyone loses when the a city government feels that enforcement of the law is optional and response becomes an arbitrary decision based upon the last name of the offending party. If appeals of such improper conduct are subsequently treated with contempt by city officials and staff, then further action rises to the level of civic necessity.
Those who would refuse to comply with established limits on domestic well-water usage, proper zoning restriction, and business registration on both a local and state level have established the very cause of the "aggrieved party." Proper compliance, or consequential enforcement, rather than obfuscation by local government supported by local media would have eliminated that cause of action.
PLEASE NOTE: Jay Rubin previously advised the T or C City Commissioners that they could violate the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and the New Mexico Open Meetings Act in an opinion offered in support of proposed Resolution #14-09/10 in October of 2009. This opinion was proven to be completely invalid, and the resolution, which was illegally signed into law by Mayor Lori Montgomery in November of 2009, was subsequently nullified and erased in an illegal revision of the meeting minutes.
Hello!! There is no domestic well on that property! Office of State Engineer admitted he was WRONG! Get over it!

“Springtime In New Mexico, YES!”

Since: Jun 09

Elephant Butte Sierra County

#8 Feb 24, 2010
durablebrad wrote:
Yes, vMonia, I completely agree with you: "Both papers do serve their purposes in the community."
It's just somewhat unfortunate that objective journalism, with a clear commitment and intent to the suppression of violations of law committed by community business owners and local government, is not one of those "purposes."
Is it any wonder "it's a win-win for both of them," when both publications remain content to compete in a private contest of flattery, showering unmerited praise upon the questionable decisions of public officials, and the illegal actions of those business interests content to profit from our ignorance?
Where is I.F. Stone when you need him? Not working at The Herald or The Sentinel, I can guarantee you of that.
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caveman, you are clueless, go over to debs and smell the coffee.

“Springtime In New Mexico, YES!”

Since: Jun 09

Elephant Butte Sierra County

#9 Feb 24, 2010
just cuz wrote:
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Old news. That was last week. I believe I saw a discussion on this story last Thursday or Friday.
Curious though, why do you keep pointing to the one publication that's always behind the curve by almost a full week? The Sentinel had the whole story, including quotes and all, last Friday. I'm sure a subscription (they even offer home delivery) would help keep you up on the latest goings on. That way you wouldn't be left out on current events. The 'other paper' does have some stuff, but mostly just what happens on the weekends.
From my powerful PC, I can see you're masquerading as someone else.
Sentinel doesn't post online, if you have a problem with what I post, take it up with the moderators.
just cuz

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#10 Feb 24, 2010
No problem, cloudy. Just curious. Some people prefer their news online, that's their preference I suppose. I just like to get my news more up to date is all. For those who are homebound or disabled in some form or fashion, getting the news via their computer is probably the best you can do.

As for masquerading, are willing to let everyone here know who you are? I thought that was the purpose of these things, so we could chime in without worrying about physical harassment.
durablebrad

Espanola, NM

#11 Feb 24, 2010
The domestic well was videotaped. The wellhead was subsequently destroyed and buried. Any interested parties can see the video link at www.desertjournalonline.com/underground_truth

Can you really ever trust the government in New Mexico?

Cavers Need Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>Hello!! There is no domestic well on that property! Office of State Engineer admitted he was WRONG! Get over it!
durablebrad

Espanola, NM

#12 Feb 24, 2010
SIMPLY AMUSED

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#13 Feb 24, 2010
durablebrad wrote:
The domestic well was videotaped. The wellhead was subsequently destroyed and buried. Any interested parties can see the video link at www.desertjournalonline.com/underground_truth
Can you really ever trust the government in New Mexico?
<quoted text>
Hey, can I borrow your imaginary illegal domestic well to water my imaginary domestic lawn?

Maybe I could be as good as 2me and get rid of my water bill.

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#14 Feb 24, 2010
SIMPLY AMUSED wrote:
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Hey, can I borrow your imaginary illegal domestic well to water my imaginary domestic lawn?
Maybe I could be as good as 2me and get rid of my water bill.
So, cloudynm, I hear you're moving back to Tijeras. By any chance are you sure it's because of family and not because of contact by an agency with three letters?

And you are right. I did not have a water bill. I hooked up a hose to my neighbors everyday to do my dishes and flush the toilet.
SIMPLY AMUSED

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#15 Feb 24, 2010
Deb2me wrote:
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So, cloudynm, I hear you're moving back to Tijeras. By any chance are you sure it's because of family and not because of contact by an agency with three letters?
And you are right. I did not have a water bill. I hooked up a hose to my neighbors everyday to do my dishes and flush the toilet.
Sounds like a Typical Leech if you ask me, but how you be a leech with all that education!!
Truth not Lies

Canal Winchester, OH

#16 Feb 25, 2010
The cavers are getting to boring, same old thing everyday from them. Cry me a river. I have never in my life seen or heard so many complainers.

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17 Feb 25, 2010
SIMPLY AMUSED wrote:
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Sounds like a Typical Leech if you ask me, but how you be a leech with all that education!!
LMAO...you really believed I had a hose for water to do my dishes and flush the toilet. Just as true as I lived in my last home for 18 months and didn't pay rent. LMAO.
Truth not Lies

Canal Winchester, OH

#18 Feb 25, 2010
SIMPLY AMUSED wrote:
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Hey, can I borrow your imaginary illegal domestic well to water my imaginary domestic lawn?
Maybe I could be as good as 2me and get rid of my water bill.
That's funny! I have an imaginary domestic well too.
SIMPLY AMUSED

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#19 Feb 25, 2010
Truth not Lies wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny! I have an imaginary domestic well too.
Damn water well keeps getting around!!!! And I could almost bet that Deb and company thought they had a patent on it

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#20 Feb 25, 2010
SIMPLY AMUSED wrote:
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Damn water well keeps getting around!!!! And I could almost bet that Deb and company thought they had a patent on it
I have two domestic wells. ;-)

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