Why doesn't the Pine Knot Saloon have...

Why doesn't the Pine Knot Saloon have a Truth or Consequences business license?

Created by durablebrad on Nov 23, 2011

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It's operated by City Commissioner Torres.

It's operated outside of the city limits.

It's always been that way here, and we like it.

That's how we operate in "our great city."

It's more evidence of discriminatory enforcement.

We need to keep violence quarantined.

Why do these questions need to be asked?

It's corruption: plain and simple.

Pine Knot Saloon should be fined and punished.

Because we need a place for alcoholic rednecks.

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“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

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#42 Dec 8, 2011
deb dunce wrote:
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You show it, Deb. Go ahead. The poster is right. YOU are the one with the extra time on your hands and YOU raised the issue. The burden of proof is on you.. Show it. Don't demand others to prove your premise. Next you'll be asking someone to prove they stopped beating their wife, won't you? That is your style.
I've already SHOWN it by listing the EXACT ordinance that states EACH BUSINESS shall pay a yearly registration fee. The other posters keep saying there's an exception, when there is not, and cannot show that exception BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST.

If someone states there is an exeption to EACH BUSINESS, then it is upon them to SHOW THE EXCEPTION.

Are you really this stupid? Never mind...you are.
Schizo2me

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#43 Dec 8, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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So now you're suggesting our City Clerk's enact an ordinance all by herself? I know it doesn't matter to you, our City employees or public servants that this is a violation, not only of our local ordinance, but the state statutes as well.
I'd give you the statutes, but your reading comprehension has shown to be null, so I won't bother.
Better tell all your grandmas to go get a business license since those blankets they crochet and give to friends and family are now a business according to the good ole boys and gals. I know they don't sell them...just as blackflashproductions doesn't sell the videos and stumblewire doesn't sell advertising or subscriptions...but the almighty "I was born here" crowd has deemed it so.
Are you suggesting that you have to be a caver to enforce a city ordinace? Do you have to be a caver to understand an ordinance? Do you have to be a caver to interpret it to the rest of the citizens?
As you are the ones trying to enforce all the laws in this town I was just making you aware that, by definition, Stumblewire and Backflash productions are business's. The Grandmas in town do not supply services to all the citizens of Sierra County, you idiots do. You have a non-profit business, I didn't say you had a good business idea or an ethical business just a business. You told me that there are no exceptions to having a business license, could a non-profit business be an exception? I don't know. You never responded to me about Audettes business either, A multi unit apartment complex on Van Patten. Business License?
deb dunce

Lincoln, NE

#44 Dec 8, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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As for "Kim's business," I am unaware of any business by Kim.
ah man. You're saying she lied during her run for office and you didn't say a word. Coward.
deb dunce

Lincoln, NE

#45 Dec 8, 2011
Deb used to seem like she had some intelligence mixed in with the stupidity. Too bad the stupidity has overtaken the intelligence. As she ages, it's likely to get even worse until all she has left to take into court are high heels, lipstick, and her famous smirk.

deb dunce

“Liberty and justice for all”

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#46 Dec 8, 2011
Schizo2me wrote:
<quoted text> Are you suggesting that you have to be a caver to enforce a city ordinace? Do you have to be a caver to understand an ordinance? Do you have to be a caver to interpret it to the rest of the citizens?
As you are the ones trying to enforce all the laws in this town I was just making you aware that, by definition, Stumblewire and Backflash productions are business's. The Grandmas in town do not supply services to all the citizens of Sierra County, you idiots do. You have a non-profit business, I didn't say you had a good business idea or an ethical business just a business. You told me that there are no exceptions to having a business license, could a non-profit business be an exception? I don't know. You never responded to me about Audettes business either, A multi unit apartment complex on Van Patten. Business License?
I have a business? Do tell, since I am completely unaware of it.

"Doing business" is a legal term, not only defined federally, but by most states. Each legal definition has one thing in common (ok they actually have many things in common) that do not apply to either of the personal hobbies of Stumblewire or backflashproductions. A business engages in monetary transactions; neither Stumblewire nor backflashproductions engage in monetary transactions. Non-profits DO ENGAGE in monetary transactions.

With your ridiculous suggestions that postings on websites without any monetary transactions is engaginge in business, you're stating that every person who posts on Facebook, MySpace or their own website has a business, too. Aren't you ridiculous.

I do not respond about Kim's businesses (or lack thereof if that is the case) because I do not have knowledge of them.

I am real interested to know what business you think I have.

You're just another person making up lies to obfuscate issues in our community.

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

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#47 Dec 8, 2011
deb dunce wrote:
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ah man. You're saying she lied during her run for office and you didn't say a word. Coward.
Your lack of reading comprehension rears its extremely ugly head once again. No, I did not. I said I was "unaware" which is a completely different statement than "she lied" or "she doesn't have a business."

You really need to get some help for this extreme inability to comprehend. I suggest a doctor visit to have him/her recheck those meds.
Schizo2me

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#48 Dec 8, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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I have a business? Do tell, since I am completely unaware of it.
"Doing business" is a legal term, not only defined federally, but by most states. Each legal definition has one thing in common (ok they actually have many things in common) that do not apply to either of the personal hobbies of Stumblewire or backflashproductions. A business engages in monetary transactions; neither Stumblewire nor backflashproductions engage in monetary transactions. Non-profits DO ENGAGE in monetary transactions.
With your ridiculous suggestions that postings on websites without any monetary transactions is engaginge in business, you're stating that every person who posts on Facebook, MySpace or their own website has a business, too. Aren't you ridiculous.
I do not respond about Kim's businesses (or lack thereof if that is the case) because I do not have knowledge of them.
I am real interested to know what business you think I have.
You're just another person making up lies to obfuscate issues in our community.
You are the one that responded to my initial claim that Stumblewire and Backflashproductions were just hobbies! if you do not have anything to do with them then how would you know? You seem to be having a problem with comprehension. You have already read my explanation of why these are business's. But I will type it again for you slowly. Backflashproductions provides a service to the citizens of Sierra County recording and publishing the city counsel meetings. Stumblewire provides bad alternative news to the citizens of Sierra County, and no, not anyone can post on Stumblewire, the lies can only be posted by the site administrator. No discussion is allowed. So, both of the above provide a service to the citizens of Sierra county without compensation. That is called a non-profit business and a bad idea.
If you would use the backflashproduction service you will see yourself in a video when Audette claims her business is not abandoned, it is in a response she had to Mr. Roberts claims that it was. Not only are you experiencing problems with your comprehension but your memory seems to be failing you also.
AshamedtobeBrad

Espanola, NM

#49 Dec 8, 2011
Schizo2me wrote:
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Great point 2me! Those idiot Hotel owners should just buy a liquor license sell liquor out of the hotel rooms instead of renting them out. They could then avoid paying those annoying lodger tax fees.
Does she not know the difference between a lodgers "tax" and a liquor/business "license"?

“Liberty and justice for all”

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#50 Dec 8, 2011
Schizo2me wrote:
<quoted text>You are the one that responded to my initial claim that Stumblewire and Backflashproductions were just hobbies! if you do not have anything to do with them then how would you know? You seem to be having a problem with comprehension. You have already read my explanation of why these are business's. But I will type it again for you slowly. Backflashproductions provides a service to the citizens of Sierra County recording and publishing the city counsel meetings. Stumblewire provides bad alternative news to the citizens of Sierra County, and no, not anyone can post on Stumblewire, the lies can only be posted by the site administrator. No discussion is allowed. So, both of the above provide a service to the citizens of Sierra county without compensation. That is called a non-profit business and a bad idea.
If you would use the backflashproduction service you will see yourself in a video when Audette claims her business is not abandoned, it is in a response she had to Mr. Roberts claims that it was. Not only are you experiencing problems with your comprehension but your memory seems to be failing you also.
I'm still waiting for what business you claim I am running, which you conveniently ignored.

Do either Stumblewire or backflashproductions engage in monetary transactions? No. As such, they are not defined as "doing business" by both the federal government and the State of New Mexico. But I forgot for a moment. You are one of the "mighty born here"

Do non-profits engage in monetary transactions? Yes. For example, the TBA engages in monetary transactions as does SCC. They simply don't profit.

Because I am aware of some friend's hobbies does not mean I am involved in their hobbies. I have a friend whose hobby is motorcycle racing, and I am aware of his hobby. However, I am not involved.(He's also not doing business.)

Another friend's hobby is digital photography. She regularly gives these photographs to friends, and she, too, is not engaged in business.

You also didn't respond as to whether every person who posts on Facebook, MySpace, or their own personal blogs (with no monetary transactions) are also doing business, since that meets your definition.

What Audette claimed was that the Cherokee is NOT abandoned property. That still does not mean I am aware of that or any other business she may or may not be involved in.

I do know Audette has a hobby of playing and composing music. Also no monetary transactions and a hobby.

The only thing cleared up by your post is how far your stupidity reaches. To the moon and back.

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

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#51 Dec 8, 2011
I picked up some litter today when I was walking. I provided a service. That must be the business the idiot is referring to.
schizo2me

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#53 Dec 8, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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I'm still waiting for what business you claim I am running, which you conveniently ignored.
Do either Stumblewire or backflashproductions engage in monetary transactions? No. As such, they are not defined as "doing business" by both the federal government and the State of New Mexico. But I forgot for a moment. You are one of the "mighty born here"
Do non-profits engage in monetary transactions? Yes. For example, the TBA engages in monetary transactions as does SCC. They simply don't profit.
Because I am aware of some friend's hobbies does not mean I am involved in their hobbies. I have a friend whose hobby is motorcycle racing, and I am aware of his hobby. However, I am not involved.(He's also not doing business.)
Another friend's hobby is digital photography. She regularly gives these photographs to friends, and she, too, is not engaged in business.
You also didn't respond as to whether every person who posts on Facebook, MySpace, or their own personal blogs (with no monetary transactions) are also doing business, since that meets your definition.
What Audette claimed was that the Cherokee is NOT abandoned property. That still does not mean I am aware of that or any other business she may or may not be involved in.
I do know Audette has a hobby of playing and composing music. Also no monetary transactions and a hobby.
The only thing cleared up by your post is how far your stupidity reaches. To the moon and back.
i did respond to your facebook comment, please re-read my previous post, all of them! you cannot post on stumbleliar it is not the same as facebook, my opinion and my version of the news on stumbleliar is left to me and me alone! Both stumbeliar and backflashproductions provide a service to the community they provide news and public meeting information and make it available to all! that is the definition of a business! with or without compensation!
If you are not involved with Stumbleliar then do not come to their defense and answer for them. You ask "what business do i have?" your business is getting involved in everyone else's business! you cannot see that? You are stupid, ignorant, arrogant, aggressive, blind, abusive, and violent! dammit! I know I missed something. oh yea, you are ugly too!

“Liberty and justice for all”

Since: Jan 10

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#54 Dec 8, 2011
schizo2me wrote:
<quoted text> i did respond to your facebook comment, please re-read my previous post, all of them! you cannot post on stumbleliar it is not the same as facebook, my opinion and my version of the news on stumbleliar is left to me and me alone! Both stumbeliar and backflashproductions provide a service to the community they provide news and public meeting information and make it available to all! that is the definition of a business! with or without compensation!
If you are not involved with Stumbleliar then do not come to their defense and answer for them. You ask "what business do i have?" your business is getting involved in everyone else's business! you cannot see that? You are stupid, ignorant, arrogant, aggressive, blind, abusive, and violent! dammit! I know I missed something. oh yea, you are ugly too!
My goodness. Your stupidity is overwhelming. The legal definition of doing business requires "monetary transactions." Monetary transactions have nothing to do with profit or compensation. There are many types of monetary transactions besides payment for services (or nonpayment).

LMFAO. That's your definition of the business I am engaged in? Wow....even more stupid than any of your previous posts. That you did not graduate from high school definitely shows.

Whether I am involved in their hobbies or not does not mean I do not know whether they are hobbies or do not meet the legal definition of doing business.

You really are quite stupid.
Schizo2me

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#57 Dec 9, 2011
StumblewireUSA wrote:
<quoted text> Stumblewire.com is a free public service paid for - hosting & web address - by Sophia Peron. Reporting/editorial contributions are noted on the website. The new 28th edition will offer a peak into 2012 in TrC & Sierra County - look for it soon.
You supply a service to the citizens of Sierra County. This service is PAID FOR by Sophia Peron. "PAID FOR" That sounds like a "monetary transaction" Look 2me, she provides a service and made a monetary transaction. That was your definition of a business, not mine. Now it is really looking more and more like Stumbleliar is a business! Business license?
nuttin hunny

Kenosha, WI

#58 May 2, 2012
Probably because only CAVE people think they are immune to obtaining a license to operate a biz.

Take this defunkt illegal radio station for instance.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/truth-or-cons...

They were spewing hatred of city officials while operating without any kind of a license, not even a FCC License!

I wonder if deb2mor had a license for selling rocks she found in the desert, when they found out she was trying to turn the business into her own private residence?

what's good for the goose ain't good for the gander??
Tiny Tim

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#59 May 2, 2012
What about Audettes tax service (cough) or public transit service (cough-cough)

“The eviler twin”

Since: Mar 12

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#60 May 2, 2012
Deb2me wrote:
I picked up some litter today when I was walking. I provided a service. That must be the business the idiot is referring to.
I'll be contacting the International Professional Rodeo Association (IPRA) to see if they can help me find a copy of your business license.
Tiny Tim

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#61 May 2, 2012
Ron Fenn got a business license. All I could think of was , damn! that musta cost about 3% of your wife's monthly check. He must really CARE!
In Consideration

Lexington, KY

#62 May 2, 2012
The REAL determining factor is ENFORCEMENT- period.

T or C has a history of selective enforcement, and lack of enforcement. Specifically, they seek to enforce if a bona fide complaint has been received about somebody doing business. However, if the person complained about is affiliated with a politically correct (meaning, favored) group, then no enforcement is generally the response. Of course, that depends on who's fulfilling the Inspector position, and who's telling him what to do, e.g., City Manager.

For the record, the State of New Mexico views business as somebody or entity engaging in commerce. The transaction of the commerce is the determinant, not whether somebody receives monetary remuneration. "In consideration" is the description of what a person engaged in commerce receives whether it's money determined from a set fee or price, donations whether through money, gifts, or things, or "other consideration".

T or C has a long history with massage therapists (and other similar types) saying they work for donations, and therefore don't need a business license. The "cankle" LMT was told she needed both a T or C city business license and a NM State CRS Tax ID#. She did neither. Instead, she just went "underground" and kept/keeps "doing business" in T or C by word-of-mouth advertising. A common practice by many.

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