Why doesn't the Pine Knot Saloon have a Truth or Consequences business license?

Created by durablebrad on Nov 23, 2011

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It's operated by City Commissioner Torres.

It's operated outside of the city limits.

It's always been that way here, and we like it.

That's how we operate in "our great city."

It's more evidence of discriminatory enforcement.

We need to keep violence quarantined.

Why do these questions need to be asked?

It's corruption: plain and simple.

Pine Knot Saloon should be fined and punished.

Because we need a place for alcoholic rednecks.

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Since: Mar 10

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#1 Nov 23, 2011
According to the records of The City of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, as of November 2011 the Pine Knot Saloon has been operating without a business license inside of the city limits of Truth or Consequences.

The fact that City Commissioner Freddie Torres operates this business establishment is a commonly known, as are the words of Mr. Torres' famous statement from a previous commission meeting: "If they can't afford $35 for a business license then they shouldn't be in business."

I AGREE.
super chongo

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#2 Dec 2, 2011
WOW.Your psychosis really has consumed you.

“Liberty and justice for all”

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#3 Dec 2, 2011
super chongo wrote:
WOW.Your psychosis really has consumed you.
Truth hurts, doesn't it.
Citizen X

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#4 Dec 2, 2011
durablebrad wrote:
According to the records of The City of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, as of November 2011 the Pine Knot Saloon has been operating without a business license inside of the city limits of Truth or Consequences.
The fact that City Commissioner Freddie Torres operates this business establishment is a commonly known, as are the words of Mr. Torres' famous statement from a previous commission meeting: "If they can't afford $35 for a business license then they shouldn't be in business."
I AGREE.
Again Brad is not stating the facts. A Liquor Establishment that does not sell food pays a city liquor license tax of $250 per year and this takes the place of a business license. The Business license is not required in this situation. Didn't you move Brad?
Please focus on the laws of your new community but don't let the facts get in your way.
AshamedtobeBrad

Espanola, NM

#5 Dec 2, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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Truth hurts, doesn't it.
Does this mean your hurting??

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#6 Dec 2, 2011
Citizen X wrote:
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Again Brad is not stating the facts. A Liquor Establishment that does not sell food pays a city liquor license tax of $250 per year and this takes the place of a business license. The Business license is not required in this situation. Didn't you move Brad?
Please focus on the laws of your new community but don't let the facts get in your way.
Really now? Where does it say that it "takes the place of" business registration? HINT: It doesn't.

A liquor establishment is still required to register as a business in the City of Truth or Consequences on January 1 and pay a $35.00 fee.

The license to sell liquor is completely separate from the business registration fee.

Those are the facts...but let's not let the facts or the laws get in the way of a good ole boy to manage a bar.
AshamedtobeBrad

Espanola, NM

#7 Dec 2, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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Really now? Where does it say that it "takes the place of" business registration? HINT: It doesn't.
A liquor establishment is still required to register as a business in the City of Truth or Consequences on January 1 and pay a $35.00 fee.
The license to sell liquor is completely separate from the business registration fee.
Those are the facts...but let's not let the facts or the laws get in the way of a good ole boy to manage a bar.
Once again proving your ignorance. For such an intelligent woman your not very smart..

“Liberty and justice for all”

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#8 Dec 2, 2011
AshamedtobeBrad wrote:
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Once again proving your ignorance. For such an intelligent woman your not very smart..
Then if you're so smart, please share the ordinance that states the liquor license fee is "in place of" the business registration fee.

You won't be able to, because it does not say so.

Show me the facts!!!
super chongo

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#9 Dec 2, 2011
brads antique prostitute strikes again
AshamedtobeBrad

Espanola, NM

#10 Dec 3, 2011
All this time I thought it was "Sleepless in Seattle" and in our community and this little group it is Clueless in Consequences. But on the plus side they are slowly leaving.
Goes on

Silver City, NM

#11 Dec 3, 2011
And it goes on and on in T or C.

The fronts of businesses continue to elude authorities. Wendy Sager Evanson is still using the front of a yoga studio (which brings in little income, but who would know since she gives no receipts) to hide her professional massage therapy practice (which likely brings in $20,000-$30,000 - and she also doesn't give receipts) by having her business license read Studio de La Luz (which she only got after doing business in T or C for over ten years after a public enlightenment brought it to her attention). When I got a massage from her at her home (where she works - not Studio de La Luz), and paid her $60 (and asked about gross receipts taxes required on services), she said, quote "I don't DO taxes".

And, now we have another person in town advertising acupuncture (but has no license to practice), let alone no business license.

And the T or C beat goes on, and on, and on, and on.

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#12 Dec 3, 2011
Goes on wrote:
And it goes on and on in T or C.
The fronts of businesses continue to elude authorities. Wendy Sager Evanson is still using the front of a yoga studio (which brings in little income, but who would know since she gives no receipts) to hide her professional massage therapy practice (which likely brings in $20,000-$30,000 - and she also doesn't give receipts) by having her business license read Studio de La Luz (which she only got after doing business in T or C for over ten years after a public enlightenment brought it to her attention). When I got a massage from her at her home (where she works - not Studio de La Luz), and paid her $60 (and asked about gross receipts taxes required on services), she said, quote "I don't DO taxes".
And, now we have another person in town advertising acupuncture (but has no license to practice), let alone no business license.
And the T or C beat goes on, and on, and on, and on.
Where is this advertisement, April?
Schizo2me

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#13 Dec 3, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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Then if you're so smart, please share the ordinance that states the liquor license fee is "in place of" the business registration fee.
You won't be able to, because it does not say so.
Show me the facts!!!
I also heard that a Liquor establishment that does not sell food does not need a business license in addition to their Liquor license. You Deb are the one with the most free time to devote to this garbage. Why dont you show us where it is stated that they need both.

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#14 Dec 4, 2011
Schizo2me wrote:
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I also heard that a Liquor establishment that does not sell food does not need a business license in addition to their Liquor license. You Deb are the one with the most free time to devote to this garbage. Why dont you show us where it is stated that they need both.
You're hearing garbage. Unless you can show me where it says the LIQUOR LICENSE TAX replaces the BUSINESS REGISTRATION FEE, you're simply repeating lies.

Once again, I repeat it is a TAX. The City is given authority to require this tax through state statute, and state statute refers to it as a TAX.

Our local ordinances say EACH BUSINESS is imposed a $35.00 per annum BUSINESS REGISTRATION fee. 7-31.

If the Pine Knot remained open and instead of selling liquor sold soda pop and coffee, they would still be a business requiring BUSINESS REGISTRATION. They just wouldn't need to pay the LIQUOR TAX.

But, hey...you clearly state the law is garbage. You must be one of the good ole boys and gals, because the law is garbage to them.
resident

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#15 Dec 4, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
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You're hearing garbage. Unless you can show me where it says the LIQUOR LICENSE TAX replaces the BUSINESS REGISTRATION FEE, you're simply repeating lies.
Once again, I repeat it is a TAX. The City is given authority to require this tax through state statute, and state statute refers to it as a TAX.
Our local ordinances say EACH BUSINESS is imposed a $35.00 per annum BUSINESS REGISTRATION fee. 7-31.
If the Pine Knot remained open and instead of selling liquor sold soda pop and coffee, they would still be a business requiring BUSINESS REGISTRATION. They just wouldn't need to pay the LIQUOR TAX.
But, hey...you clearly state the law is garbage. You must be one of the good ole boys and gals, because the law is garbage to them.
Interesting. I think I'll go check this out tomorrow and get the straight skinny at city hall. Unless the place is actually outside of the city limits it should still have a business registration.
Schmidcrapp

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#16 Dec 4, 2011
Spoken like a true failure. Trying to take others down will never lift you up. Get a life!...a real one.
Goes on wrote:
And it goes on and on in T or C.
The fronts of businesses continue to elude authorities. Wendy Sager Evanson is still using the front of a yoga studio (which brings in little income, but who would know since she gives no receipts) to hide her professional massage therapy practice (which likely brings in $20,000-$30,000 - and she also doesn't give receipts) by having her business license read Studio de La Luz (which she only got after doing business in T or C for over ten years after a public enlightenment brought it to her attention). When I got a massage from her at her home (where she works - not Studio de La Luz), and paid her $60 (and asked about gross receipts taxes required on services), she said, quote "I don't DO taxes".
And, now we have another person in town advertising acupuncture (but has no license to practice), let alone no business license.
And the T or C beat goes on, and on, and on, and on.
AshamedtobeBrad

Espanola, NM

#17 Dec 4, 2011
Deb2me wrote:
<quoted text>
You're hearing garbage. Unless you can show me where it says the LIQUOR LICENSE TAX replaces the BUSINESS REGISTRATION FEE, you're simply repeating lies.
Once again, I repeat it is a TAX. The City is given authority to require this tax through state statute, and state statute refers to it as a TAX.
Our local ordinances say EACH BUSINESS is imposed a $35.00 per annum BUSINESS REGISTRATION fee. 7-31.
If the Pine Knot remained open and instead of selling liquor sold soda pop and coffee, they would still be a business requiring BUSINESS REGISTRATION. They just wouldn't need to pay the LIQUOR TAX.
But, hey...you clearly state the law is garbage. You must be one of the good ole boys and gals, because the law is garbage to them.
And you spread nothing but "garbage". But I must admit your good at it.
chihuahuan

Truth Or Consequences, NM

#18 Dec 4, 2011
ignoring the law is considered by most to be "garbage" behavior. To point to this garbage behavior being engaged in is considered by some to be nosy,gossipy and even bitchy.

I stand with the bitchez on this one. They often have real information that helps me to make a more fully informed decision about those with whom I do business and/or for whom I vote. The other side seem, at best, defensive either themselves,their parents,their boss or their friends. They seldom present a source that I can check for out myself such as city codes and records.

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#19 Dec 4, 2011
resident wrote:
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Interesting. I think I'll go check this out tomorrow and get the straight skinny at city hall. Unless the place is actually outside of the city limits it should still have a business registration.
You can also simply download the PDF of our Code of Ordinances and peruse at your leisure. It is at the City's website www.torcnm.org and look under City A-Z, Ordinances.

Information is power!!!

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#20 Dec 4, 2011
AshamedtobeBrad wrote:
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And you spread nothing but "garbage". But I must admit your good at it.
The laws and the truth are garbage to you by your own admission. I believe most people would say the true garbage is someone who disobeys our laws (aka our social contract) and derides the truth.

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