Road work ordinance in Stratford unit...

Road work ordinance in Stratford unites foes

There are 160 comments on the Connecticut Post story from Feb 14, 2009, titled Road work ordinance in Stratford unites foes. In it, Connecticut Post reports that:

Politics, it is often said, makes for strange bedfellows. In Stratford, the heated debate over a proposed ordinance -- one that would allow off-duty cops hired for road work assignments to be replaced with ...

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Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#2 Feb 14, 2009
"... We don't always need police officers standing out holding flags during construction jobs when they are being paid far more money than flagmen,' the mayor said.'It's just ludicrous.'"

I have seens cops directing traffic, or talking on a cell, at roadside construction sites, but I have never seen cops "holding flags duirng construction jobs".
TBLUM

Monroe, CT

#3 Feb 14, 2009
How will a flagman controlling an intersection without radio communications handle an ambulance, police or fire truck responding to a call.
Good luck if you think the savings will be passed on to taxpayers. The companies will just pocket the extra.
Proud of our Cops

United States

#4 Feb 14, 2009
I would be willing to pay for a Police Officer to direct traffic. Would you really want someone such as a security guard/flagman out there with no experience and unable to enforce any motor vehicle laws?

Thank goodness we still have Police Chiefs out there who support their own Officers. Kudos to Trumbull Police Chief Kiely for telling it like it is and not being "politically correct," bowing down to the politician wannabe's.

What is the price for a life?
Does one really want to put their life, or their family member's life, into the hands of an inexperienced flagman? No thank you!
yup

AOL

#5 Feb 14, 2009
Proud of our Cops wrote:
I would be willing to pay for a Police Officer to direct traffic. Would you really want someone such as a security guard/flagman out there with no experience and unable to enforce any motor vehicle laws?
Thank goodness we still have Police Chiefs out there who support their own Officers. Kudos to Trumbull Police Chief Kiely for telling it like it is and not being "politically correct," bowing down to the politician wannabe's.
What is the price for a life?
Does one really want to put their life, or their family member's life, into the hands of an inexperienced flagman? No thank you!
The issue is that motorists have no reguard for flag men, if they see a flagman they still speed throught the construction zone and often disobey thier signals. Motorists don't have to obey a flagman and their are no laws that say they have to. When there is a Police Officer present people are alot mire aware of heway they drive.
Support Your Police

Chelsea, MA

#6 Feb 14, 2009
I think Henrick is an idiot. Support your local police.
Blue Rules

United States

#9 Feb 14, 2009
The ordinance proposal is a joke and so is the Town Council!
Utility worker

Ansonia, CT

#10 Feb 14, 2009
I feel much safer with a REAL cop at my job site. Most of the "certified" flagmen we've gotten in other towns aren't terribly bright or motivated but what can you expect for minimum wage. The $27/hr figure is what the pimp agency gets, not the flagger.
Keep everyone safe. Keep the cops.
Reps Sux

Chelsea, MA

#11 Feb 14, 2009
This is why you need to vote out the republicans in the fall. I hope the police unite against these hacks on the council and vote in the Dems.
The Judge

United States

#12 Feb 14, 2009
Coming from New York, and having served in law enforcement there, NY has always had paid flagmen/women on roads while repairs take place. Personally, I don't understand the debate...when road work is going on, motor vehicles almost always slow down because the road is usually blocked by large utility vehicles. Doesn't matter if it's a uniformed cop or a flagperson standing there. Traffic slows down. And if a study on the subject was to be conducted, it would probably conclude that people are more likely to reduce speed upon seeing someone waving a big orange flag and wearing an orange vest. I don't think it really matters that they have a badge on or not.
Keep The Cops

Mahwah, NJ

#13 Feb 15, 2009
This is an easy one. If Moron and Henrick are united on something, forget about it! That makes it double trouble.
Look, I am as upset as anyone about police and firemen getting all that overtime for their pensions. But that is not the case here. It's off-duty work paid for by the contractors, not the town. Also, I think both the chief and union make very valid points about safety.
This is about common sense. Having cops on these jobs has to be much safer than these flagmen. This is one time I have to side with the chief and union. Also, if the mayor and council chairman are for it, you just know the right way to go is to be against it. This sounds like a cheap gimmick to save a few cents, if even that.
Keep the Cops on the roads!
Crazyness

Atkinson, NH

#14 Feb 15, 2009
This has nothing to do with COP vs. Flagman. This has nothing to do with the town saving money. For years and years the town wanted police officers at road construction, never changing their tune. This is REVENGE for Miron's brother not getting hired.
Union

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Feb 15, 2009
This is in response to the article by Richard Weizel on to pay earners in Stratford.
:

The headline read “Education paying off in Stratford”. So what does the Mayor say? It’s the police overtime that is the problem. His solution to the problem is to hire four new officers at a total cost of $400,000 of pay and benefits to save $500,000. Now you have to factor in the actuarial costs of four new officers on an unfunded pension. Mr. Mayor you increased our budget and ended up costing the taxpayer a lot more.

Officers work road jobs to supplement their income. In Stratford the Town makes $5.25 an hour for every road job. Last year the Town of Stratford took in over $100,000 from these jobs. Officers are not doubling their income from callback or overtime.

The real issue is the multiple Mayoral assistants,$1,000,000 Town attorney fees,$350,000 in Mayor Office renovations,$1,100,000 for unbudgeted nitrogen credits and $50,000 for the Mayor’s art festival.

Joseph McNeil

President

Stratford Police Union

Local 407
Clowncil

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Feb 15, 2009
while private contractors can hire flagmen instead of police for road work projects in his town, "it is my personal opinion that officers have a lot more experience and are ready to deal with any emergency ... while flagmen just stand there basically holding a flag. Sometimes they don't even do that."

FLAGMEN BASICALLY SOUND LIKE HENRICK, MOSTLY DO NOTHINGS.
MIKE GOT HIS $2 MILLION FIELD AT BUNNELL AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS COVERING HIM IN THE CHRISTAIN MIRON CASE.OF COURSE HENRICK AND MIRON ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO DESTROY AN ORDINANCE THAT BENENFITS THE TOWN COFFERS, THE PUBLIC'S SAFETY AND OFFICERS ABILITY TO MAKE OVERTIME AT NO EXPENSE TO THE TOWN
Orange Peco

Mount Wolf, PA

#17 Feb 15, 2009
Union President McNeil is off point. The Mayor does not control the Board of Education, that is the Superintendent and Board of Education's role, according to state law.

Everyone appeciates the Police Officers but sorry Mr. McNeil, this overtime and constant money grab by your union is killing us taxpayers.

The Mayor and Mr. Henrick are correct and I applaud them for working together for Stratford's taxpayers.
Red Flag

Brooklyn, NY

#18 Feb 15, 2009
It is false that pensions are related to road work. This line of thinking has been pushed instead of looking at the breakdown of internal controls of overtime. Simple examples, a Captain cannot work overtime without approval. Who approved the overtime? Why was the Officer allowed to flex his schedule when he did not have flex hours and why were officers allowed to work more than 16 hours in a 24 hour period? These policy and contract violations created the pension problem not road work. Secondly, look at 2008; upper ranks received no overtime or callbacks in patrol. Why? Contract and policies followed.

http://stratfordpoliceunion.com/index_files/I ...
Orange Peco

Mount Wolf, PA

#19 Feb 15, 2009
The point is that police officers cost ALOT more than flagmen.

That cost is passed on to the consumers who happen to be the taxpayers.

Let's face it, we have all driven by these officers with their backs to traffic, their hands in thier pockets and talking on thier wireless headset.

We have also drive by the officers in the car playing video games on a laptop.

Give us a break. This is a monopolitic money grab by Stratford Police.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 Feb 15, 2009
Reps Sux wrote:
This is why you need to vote out the republicans in the fall. I hope the police unite against these hacks on the council and vote in the Dems.
Did you even bother to read the lead of this story?

"Town leaders ordinarily on opposite sides of issues have joined forces in support of the controversial measure ..."

For a change, both the Reps and Dems are basically in aggreement!
Jimbo

Brooklyn, NY

#21 Feb 15, 2009
We don't always need police officers standing out holding flags during construction jobs when they are being paid far more money than flagmen," the mayor said. "It's just ludicrous."

But I want them to sit in the hall when I have my open session talks with the public
Paul

Brooklyn, NY

#22 Feb 15, 2009
Keep The Cops wrote:
This is an easy one. If Moron and Henrick are united on something, forget about it! That makes it double trouble.
Look, I am as upset as anyone about police and firemen getting all that overtime for their pensions. But that is not the case here. It's off-duty work paid for by the contractors, not the town. Also, I think both the chief and union make very valid points about safety.
This is about common sense. Having cops on these jobs has to be much safer than these flagmen. This is one time I have to side with the chief and union. Also, if the mayor and council chairman are for it, you just know the right way to go is to be against it. This sounds like a cheap gimmick to save a few cents, if even that.
Keep the Cops on the roads!
In October 2, 2008 a CT Post article stated that Bob Sammis of the Financial Advisory Committee allegedly completed an

independent & unbiased study of the police and fire pension. I strongly disagree. He concluded that there was no wrong doing and that the pension was under funded. What he did not tell you was that at no time did he speak to the police union, police officers or research the fact that the police union complained about the pension not being funded per state law years ago. A grievance was file with the state that state law was being violated because the pension was not being funded. Mr. Sammis did not tell you that the town was borrowing money from the pension for operating cost as far back as 10 years ago($27 Million).(article 01/20/09)

Let me share some facts about your police officers and police union.



1.) The Stratford Police Union was the 1st union to take out weekly medical co-pay.
2.) The Stratford Police Union was the 1st union to have a doctor’s visit co-pay.
3.) The Stratford Police Union was the 1st union to have prescription co-pay.
4.) The Stratford Police Union was the 1st union to have lowered their disability from 66 2/3 to 50%.
5.) The Stratford Police Union was the only union to ever take no raises.
6.) The Stratford Police Union contributes the most out of their weekly check to the pension out of all the unions.
7.) The Stratford Police Union changed its pension plan to a Plan B (1997).
8.) The Stratford Police union hired a medical guru to research Medical Coverage to try to save tax payers money.(paid for by the union) The Stratford Police Union succeeded in doing so.



You simply can’t blame the police every time something goes wrong. It’s not fair; it’s insulting and a slap in the face to officers who put their lives on the line every day
go figures

Turners Falls, MA

#23 Feb 15, 2009
When a Stratford Police Officer is standing on the road working for AT&T, Southern CT Gas or the UI the money is not going into his or her pension. However every hour that an officer is standing on the road the town is making $5, so over a 8 hr work day the town makes $40. Now from about March until November there are usually at least 8 officers working road jobs daily which usually last 8 hrs. This adds up to $320 a day. Now I will give the esteemed 10th District Councilman and our Mayor the benefit of the doubt and use a five day work week, so continuing with our math $320 a day times five equals $1600. There are 39 weeks from the first full week in March until the last full week in November times a conservative figure of $1600 would equal $62400. This figure in a barebones amount which does not include many more hours that officers are working which again increases the amount that the town collects in fees. This is a fact. When we boil this issue down it comes down to attempting to look fiscally conservative rather than practically fiscally responsible and is a "I will show you" from the Mayor to the Police Union.

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