Authorities target drug trade in Quak...

Authorities target drug trade in Quakertown area; 4 charged -- ...

There are 35 comments on the The Morning Call story from Aug 4, 2007, titled Authorities target drug trade in Quakertown area; 4 charged -- .... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Quakertown police and state troopers charged four people with dealing crack cocaine on Friday in three separate investigations.

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Q-town resident

Philadelphia, PA

#23 Aug 6, 2007
Kooper wrote:
HMmm.....you know these names all read as though they are the names of white people. HMmmmm....a balanc may be coming after all. What is the latino population of Quakertown? Does anyone know?
Pictures of the accused ran in the paper edition. Three happen to be African-American and one was white. Two of the African-Americans were from Trumbauerville Borough with the other African-American and the white trashy-looking woman being from Quakertown.

This surprised me too. I expected all four to be white trash ... The last census showed Q-town to be 94% white with about 2% each African-American and Latino.
Pachacutec

Fort Collins, CO

#24 Aug 7, 2007
I can't see what in the world race has to do with this; there are trashy people in every race, nationality, etc., in this world. I don't care WHAT the background of the drug dealers, etc. are; if they're caught they should be punished as severely as possible.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#25 Aug 7, 2007
Kooper wrote:
HMmm.....you know these names all read as though they are the names of white people. HMmmmm....a balanc may be coming after all. What is the latino population of Quakertown? Does anyone know?
I saw a statistic out of Illinois recently that while 70% of the people using drugs in the state are white 67% of the people in prison for drugs there are not white. I would bet that pennsylvania is no different.
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SEE: Legalized Racial Discrimination in America
http://independentsofamerica.blogspot.com/200...
Drug Busts=Jim Crow
Ira Glasser

"According to federal statistics gathered by the Sentencing Project, only 13 percent of monthly drug users of all illegal drugs--defined as those who use a drug at least once a month on a regular basis--are black, about their proportion of the population. But 37 percent of drug-offense arrests are black; 53 percent of convictions are black; and 67 percent of all people imprisoned for drug offenses are black. Adding in Latinos, about 22 percent of all monthly drug users are black or Latino, but 80 percent of people in prison for drug offenses are black or Latino. Even in presumptively liberal New York State, 92 percent of all inmates who are there for drug offenses are black or Latino."
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So I guess its nice that the government is finally going after some white people for drugs.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#26 Aug 7, 2007
Drug use and abuse have no color lines. Addiction is a disease. A genetic disease that has nothing to do with race.

Only the relative circumstance that some drugs have historically been produced in certain places in the world and so the populations from those regions have a longer genetic exposure to those particular substances.

European based populations have produced alcohol based intoxicants for so long that white folks have a great affinity for alcohol addiction. Fifty or more generations of wine making or whiskey distilling in a small community will chemically influence the gene pool there.

Most places in the world have some intoxicant that is natural to that area. People from that area will, as they move around the world, spread their genetic predispositionn for that intoxicant. Over generations this genetic effect shows more in some and less in others accordingto the luck of the genetic draw.
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"Why would a talented and successful actor like Robert Downey Jr. repeatedly risk his career for the sake of a drug-induced high? For many addicts like Downey, the answer may lie not in their upbringing or the company they keep, but in their genetic makeup.

And for drug users whose DNA plays a role in their habit, clinicians need to turn their attention to new treatment options that address the genetics of addiction.

Downey's very public yet personal struggle is a familiar story to millions of Americans who struggle with addiction. A quarter of the U.S. adult population is hooked on alcohol, cocaine, nicotine, amphetamines or some other substance. " LA Times Nov. 2000
Ernest P. Noble Is a Professor of Psychiatry and Director of the
Alcohol Research Center at UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute and Hospital
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Police and prisons will never cure addiction. Police and prisons are not doctors and hosptials.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#27 Aug 7, 2007
Cheryl wrote:
Where on 6th? I live near there and have small children. Aggghhh, why can't these people get REAL honest jobs!?!?!
Quakertown has a retail drug market worth $ 4,261,248 according to U.N. estimates.

Bucks county's retail black market for drugs is worth $ 302,877,630 a year.

Pennsylvania's untaxed black market for intoxicant drugs is worth more than $ 5,968,592,244.

These people were definitely working. Working in one of the larger industries in Pennsylvania.

By comparison the Pennsylvania dairy industry generated an estimated $1.48 billion in economic activity in 2002 according to the USDA-NASS, Pennsylvania Statistical Office

You know where the bars and state stores are and you can keep your children away from them. Because the drugs are illegal you can never know where the addicts and dealers are and so there is no way to protect your children until its too late.

Nothing is put in between the addict dealers, gangsters and social predators who all thrive in the "illegal" market until the creeeps create enough of a mess to catch the eye of the police.

With lacohol and tobacco there are licensed and regulated responsible members of the community with a finacial and professional self-interest in keeping their product away from your children. Not so with drugs.

The police busted these four. But they have no idea hao many morethere are being supported by the millions of untaxed black market dollars.

Best of luck to you in raising your kids because this society and government are not helping you any with this drug policy. In fact. If this situation is typical there will be twice as many dealers looking to take control of the market vacuum created by this bust. They may be more desperate and more violent in taking control. Most likely there will end up being two new dealers for each one busted. They will each be looking to make as much money as the dealers they replace. the market will grow.

And it will become more violent. Here in Allentown in 2005 we had a record homicide rate. Police admitted that this was a success of their "successful" breaking up of two drug gangs. Three or four more violent gangs moved in to replace thetwo busted gangs. The black market wars killed a lot of people. Including innocent by-standers.

Good luck to you.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#28 Aug 7, 2007
Now that these four have been busted the addict population they supplied and that is still there in the community, will have to spend more to find another supply. If those addicts use crime to support their habit they will simply pass on this price increase to their Quakertown area crime victims. The successful result of this police action may well be more street crime in that area. At least in the near term.

The addicts who support themselves with prostitution will sell themselves even more.

Addicts who resell drugs they bought from these four will find other, probably more expensive, sources. This will force them to do two things. 1. They will pass their price increase on the the addicts who use crime and prostitition to support themselves. 2. The addict dealers will look for more and new customers to make up the price increase they face thanks to the successful police action.

So the successful outcome of this police interdiction will be more crime, prostitution and addiction in the Quakertown area.

This is the economics of prohibition.
brian

San Jose, CA

#29 Aug 7, 2007
aahpat wrote:
Now that these four have been busted the addict population they supplied and that is still there in the community, will have to spend more to find another supply. If those addicts use crime to support their habit they will simply pass on this price increase to their Quakertown area crime victims. The successful result of this police action may well be more street crime in that area. At least in the near term.
The addicts who support themselves with prostitution will sell themselves even more.
Addicts who resell drugs they bought from these four will find other, probably more expensive, sources. This will force them to do two things. 1. They will pass their price increase on the the addicts who use crime and prostitition to support themselves. 2. The addict dealers will look for more and new customers to make up the price increase they face thanks to the successful police action.
So the successful outcome of this police interdiction will be more crime, prostitution and addiction in the Quakertown area.
This is the economics of prohibition.
do you work?! jesus get a life man. I dont care what they do as long as its not near where i live. Since it was it had an impact on me. They can do whatever they want. If they want to kill themselve with drug use and stupidity...go ahead but i dont want it to impact my life. To get to the point, we didnt want it near us so now they are gone and we are happy.

hey....all i can say is im happy. maybe they will learn how to be a contributing member of society like the rest of us who work LEGALLY

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#30 Aug 7, 2007
brian wrote:
<quoted text>
do you work?! jesus get a life man. I dont care what they do as long as its not near where i live. Since it was it had an impact on me. They can do whatever they want. If they want to kill themselve with drug use and stupidity...go ahead but i dont want it to impact my life. To get to the point, we didnt want it near us so now they are gone and we are happy.
hey....all i can say is im happy. maybe they will learn how to be a contributing member of society like the rest of us who work LEGALLY
I appreciate you points. I wish the ideal could happen and throwing these particular poeple away would magically solve the problem. Thirty-six years of watching this problem escalate more and more with every police success has taught me to look for alternatives and try to get otehrs to apreciate the potential that alternatives to the current laws can offer.

In 1997, when I bought my house in Allentown, the police said there were two organized drug gangs in the city. In 2005 the police admitted to seven gangs including gangs with national and even international cartel connections. This never ending escalation has now expanded into your community too. Last winter there was a story in the Morning Call about gangsters buying homes in the gated communities up in the Poconos. They are spreading out from the cities in a never ending expansion because that is how the economics work.

Unregulated markets are profitable markets that grow exponentially. The black market for drugs is almost completely unregulated and as such it is growing as far as the dollars will take it. Even into bucolic Quakertown.

It will continue to get worse until we decide to put some real walls between the demand and the addict dealers, gangsters and social predators who's values are the only values reflected in the market today.
MotherLindy

AOL

#31 Aug 7, 2007
Concerned in Qtown wrote:
There's also odd comings and goings in a row house on 6th St, between Juniper and Broad.
Also on Tierney Court, close to Hickory, people coming and going at all hours of the night.
Hope the Qtown cops watch these places.
I have seen the'population' that lives there. There are children there also. The foot traffic in and out via the back door is non-stop. But I think it's being watched by the police, I saw photos being taken while I was waiting at the stop sign by an unmarked car.
Audrey

AOL

#32 Aug 7, 2007
aahpat wrote:
Now that these four have been busted the addict population they supplied and that is still there in the community, will have to spend more to find another supply. If those addicts use crime to support their habit they will simply pass on this price increase to their Quakertown area crime victims. The successful result of this police action may well be more street crime in that area. At least in the near term.
The addicts who support themselves with prostitution will sell themselves even more.
Addicts who resell drugs they bought from these four will find other, probably more expensive, sources. This will force them to do two things. 1. They will pass their price increase on the the addicts who use crime and prostitition to support themselves. 2. The addict dealers will look for more and new customers to make up the price increase they face thanks to the successful police action.
So the successful outcome of this police interdiction will be more crime, prostitution and addiction in the Quakertown area.
This is the economics of prohibition.
Let's face it all you have to do is look in the paper at the police blotter 75% are white crimes the rest is mixed. These are people that are stealing, shoplifting to get a buck, they are going through parked cars and stealing stuff. BUT, lately there is a more criminal intent to hurt people, home invasions, settling drug debts and being held hostage and rapes. Most people are still stupid enough to be under the influence while fighting, driving, walking and falling asleep in the street. Make them do the time, I don't care how crowded the prisons are it will be like home, 17 to a room.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#33 Aug 8, 2007
Audrey wrote:
<quoted text> Let's face it all you have to do is look in the paper at the police blotter 75% are white crimes the rest is mixed. These are people that are stealing, shoplifting to get a buck, they are going through parked cars and stealing stuff. BUT, lately there is a more criminal intent to hurt people, home invasions, settling drug debts and being held hostage and rapes. Most people are still stupid enough to be under the influence while fighting, driving, walking and falling asleep in the street. Make them do the time, I don't care how crowded the prisons are it will be like home, 17 to a room.
The difference between you and I is that you are settling for the crime happening and our continued victimization by street drug crime. You accept the crime. I do not accept it. I want it reduced. I have tried hard to find the actual reasons for and responsible alternatives to the crime.

Simply locking people up does not reduce crime. It makes that person a permanent criminal in our society sso that their only economic opportunity for the rest oftheir life is to commit more crime. We have more than 16 million Americans classified as permanent criminals. Many have no economic opportunity but to sell drugs to our children, rob us, murder us. Your solution only guarantees that this will continue.

Most crime is committed by a small group of hard core addicts. We could fix this. Other countries have started to fix this with success. America's lock them up mentality 'just says no' to actually fixing anything.

I am not satisfied with the crime. You are.

'Just say no' ignores the problem and does nothing until after the children are addicted. I think this is socially reprehensible. Morally unconscionable.

Here is a program the Swiss have that has reduced crime and addiction there.

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/detail/Swi...
Swiss heroin model reporting benefits

"In Switzerland, the medicalisation of heroin use has helped change the image of users: from rebels to losers," Nordt said. "In the eyes of the young, they're mostly just sick people, forced to get medical help."

The real outcome of this is fewer addicts:

"Nordt and Stohler's research shows that in the canton of Zurich, home to more than a fifth of Switzerland's addicts, there were 850 new heroin users in 1990 but just 150 in 2002."

"And there is more good news concerning the fight against crime and prostitution.

"Compared with countries like Britain, where crime is very often linked to substance abuse, this trend has almost disappeared in Switzerland over the last few years," said Nordt."

Reduced crime. Reduced addiction. Americans 'just say no'.

Instead of treating these people who have the unpopular disease of addiction as patients we treat them as criminals. Hitler did the same thing with his unpopular sick and socially different people, lock them up.

Most drug use is not addictive use or even problematic use. But it subsidizes the dealers who also sell to the addicts and to children. Regulation of a responsible adult intoxicant drug use market would get most of the profit out of the black market. This significantly raises the risk level for the addict dealers and gangsters so fewer of them are willing to do the business. Fewer dealers means fewer opportunities for children to come into contact with drugs in the first place.

You want to leave the drugs on the streets until its too late. I want to get them off the streets before the problems even start to happen.
jessica donahue

Philadelphia, PA

#34 Jul 12, 2010
i would like to say to all of u wit ur comments bout philthy trash.... u have no clue what ur talkin bout... i was one of the people arrested in this investigation.... people make mistakes, i was homeless and goin thru a rough patch.... i have never been addicted to any drugs so those of u who are entitled to ur opinion have the wrong one of me... my family saved me in this... got me a great lawyer... but before i was arrested i was on my own.. and do u know goin thru this was the toughest point of my life but it was the best thing that ever happened to me.. i have family on dewsbury people i loved young cousins right down the road... i know i put them in jepardy of a crack head harmin them, but since my arrest i have held the same job goin on three yrs. have my own place that i pay for have almost finished my probation that followed my sentence and am gettin off it early for good behavior. i go to school... and each time i spend my money knowin i worked hard for it and its the best feeling. i realize those of u whom are upset this was in ur community and i apologize but dont be so quick to judge and say im a crack head or low life trash!! i come from a good and wealthy family.... but choosin to have a child wit a man that was not approved by them i had to make a choice to turn my back on my own family that i started or have my other family... in a way maybe i made the wrong choice and i will now live wit it cause of my record i can not enroll into nursing school. you may not agree wit what everyone does around you, but know that people hit hard times... they struggle and need to survive some how and thats all i was doin was trying to survive mayber not your way.. cause i had a sever panick disorder which made me unable to work.. but i have now over come that and am doing great!! so please stop posting judgemental things about me.. i am one of the few that can stand before u and say...I MADE IT.. and i regret not one thing cause it made me the better person i am today.. if u read this post.. thanks!
jessica donahue

Philadelphia, PA

#35 Jul 12, 2010
and yes i am white... i was a drug dealer but every other around me who delt was black..so its not a white thing... most the smokers i seen were also black. some white but not all so ur racist posts can stop as well!!
jessica donahue

Philadelphia, PA

#36 Jul 12, 2010
and i am not the one who's picture was on the paper i know all of them... but i was not there at the raid a warrant was issued and i turned myself in. i only jus turned 25.
q-towns beat

Sellersville, PA

#37 Jul 17, 2010
whats the deal with Dewsbury lane and that area? seems like a whole neighborhood of riff-raff?

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