Teachers cannot do magic when kids

[NorCal Native]

Nina wrote:

<quoted text>Please bury the race card it is getting old.

I wasn't trying to play the "RACE" card, just asking for clarification as to what Andrew was getting at!!!

[NorCal Native]

satanic witch wrote:

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You need to understand that Native is not from Albany and she probbaly doesn't have to deal with a lot of the issues that we deal with.
It is more of a cultural problem than a racial problem. For some reason it is considered cool to speak nearly unintelligible English. I am only in my twenties and even I don't understand why that is supposed cool.

I'm a California Native and though I understand language issues, I bet if I came to New York, you'd think I spoke funny, and when you come here.....we think New Yorker's speak funny just because of your accent........lol!!!

You may have certain issues with Ebonics, but we have Ebonics and Spanglish......lol!!!

[satanic witch]

NorCal Native wrote:

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I'm not saying he didn't have a point, but it was the way it was stated.......I grew up for a time in Oakland, CA.......it was and still is predominately populated by Black people, they run from one end of the social ladder to the other......and at one time, the school district actually considered teaching Ebonics in the schools......and I remember how dumb I thought that was, but looking back, I can understand why.......they culturally do have a way that they speak.......and I think it has more to do with just who they are......but it in no way means they are not upstanding citizens!!!

They do and that's fine within their own cultures but in the work place they should speak regular English and/or Spanish of they're in an area where both languages are often spoken.Ebonics is not actually a language and so I wouldn't be for teaching in in school. I do believe that US schools should improve their foreign language classes.

[satanic witch]

NorCal Native wrote:

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I'm a California Native and though I understand language issues, I bet if I came to New York, you'd think I spoke funny, and when you come here.....we think New Yorker's speak funny just because of your accent........lol!!!
You may have certain issues with Ebonics, but we have Ebonics and Spanglish......lol!!!

Fair enough. I have an odd accent. Classic New Yorkers mixed with a slight Dutch accent because I was raised in Lisse for most of my teen yrs. Add to that,my voice is very soft,kind of like that girl on the Airplane movies or Prissy in Gone With The Wind.
My husband is part Hispanic so I'm used to Spanish accents from his mother's side of the family.

[NorCal Native]

vincent andrew wrote:

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No. I've seen a lot of WHITE trash also..
You know the ones that wear their pants down near the ankles, and speak like idiots also..

Okay....we have those folks here to.....we call them WANNABES......frankly, they look pathetic and they are begging for folks to stare at them and make some sort of comment......lol!!!

I love to sit in a park or a mall, even a theme park and watch people walk by.......some dress the way they do, just to be stared at and then get all indignant when you actually stare at them and laugh!!!

When I was in my Masters program, it always amazed me to watch the younger students get all bent outta shape when they saw something being turned in and had to ask what it was simply because they didn't read the class syllabus.

Thanks for clearing up your comment.....I truly do appreciate it!!!

[NorCal Native]

satanic witch wrote:

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They do and that's fine within their own cultures but in the work place they should speak regular English and/or Spanish of they're in an area where both languages are often spoken.Ebonics is not actually a language and so I wouldn't be for teaching in in school. I do believe that US schools should improve their foreign language classes.

Don't get me started on Foreign languages......I don't mind if a person wants to learn a particular language, but here in California, they basically focus on Spanish because we have a huge Mexican population......most are illegal and can't speak English, so they use their children as translators.....frankly, if one wants to be in this Country, one should be able to understand the language.....just my philosophy on that issue.

Now, I don't speak Spanish, I do know a few words, but I wouldn't attempt to carry on a conversation with anyone. I also have tried French and German.......but I have an issue giving certain items male or female pronouns like windows, floors and stuff like that however I can carry on basic conversation in ASL!!!

[NorCal Native]

satanic witch wrote:

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Fair enough. I have an odd accent. Classic New Yorkers mixed with a slight Dutch accent because I was raised in Lisse for most of my teen yrs. Add to that,my voice is very soft,kind of like that girl on the Airplane movies or Prissy in Gone With The Wind.
My husband is part Hispanic so I'm used to Spanish accents from his mother's side of the family.

I didn't realize I had an accent until I visited a friend in New Jersey about 30 years ago.......so, it can add to a language issue, but yes......everyone should have to master the English language if they are going to live and work in this Country!!!!

I see that there is a lil judging fairy idiot here to.......lol!!!

[satanic witch]

NorCal Native wrote:

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Don't get me started on Foreign languages......I don't mind if a person wants to learn a particular language, but here in California, they basically focus on Spanish because we have a huge Mexican population......most are illegal and can't speak English, so they use their children as translators.....frankly, if one wants to be in this Country, one should be able to understand the language.....just my philosophy on that issue.
Now, I don't speak Spanish, I do know a few words, but I wouldn't attempt to carry on a conversation with anyone. I also have tried French and German.......but I have an issue giving certain items male or female pronouns like windows, floors and stuff like that however I can carry on basic conversation in ASL!!!

That's understandable given the high number of Spanish speaking people there. I agree they should also learn English because it makes it easier for them to function here.
In most of Europe they have to learn their native language plus English and often a few other languages. American students are getting by pretty easy in comparison.

[satanic witch]

NorCal Native wrote:

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I didn't realize I had an accent until I visited a friend in New Jersey about 30 years ago.......so, it can add to a language issue, but yes......everyone should have to master the English language if they are going to live and work in this Country!!!!
I see that there is a lil judging fairy idiot here to.......lol!!!

LOL I have a friend who took acting classes and some sort of speech classes to rid himself of his Jersey accent. He now speaks with what he calls,a transatlantic accent. He sounds just like the movie stars in those old 30s and 40s movies. I could listen to him talk all day.

[Anne Ominous]

Hooked on Ebonics

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[satanic witch]

Anne Ominous wrote:

Hooked on Ebonics
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

giggle

[NorCal Native]

satanic witch wrote:

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That's understandable given the high number of Spanish speaking people there. I agree they should also learn English because it makes it easier for them to function here.
In most of Europe they have to learn their native language plus English and often a few other languages. American students are getting by pretty easy in comparison.

I would agree and at least here in California ASL is considered a Foreign language!!!

[Cookie_Parker]

What wrote:

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You cannot teach morals in scool when the Lord and His Word are not allowed in school. And where children are taught they are nothing but animals evolved from monkeys!

The only chance our society HAS is if religion is taken out of our government and ethics are taught on our secular nation and individual rights.

[Southerners perspective]

NorCal Native wrote:

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I'm a California Native and though I understand language issues, I bet if I came to New York, you'd think I spoke funny, and when you come here.....we think New Yorker's speak funny just because of your accent........lol!!!
You may have certain issues with Ebonics, but we have Ebonics and Spanglish......lol!!!

If I may, I would like to add a Southerner's perspective to this. I grew up in the rural South where people speak distinct dialects. Southern whites speak with the classic Gone With the Wind accent. Southern blacks also have a distinct dialect. At least they did until a few years ago. In the last few years white teenage boys have picked up what 30 years ago was considered "black" slang and consider it redneck white. Southern blacks have drifted toward speech that sounds like Walter Crokite used to sound on the news only with a thicker accent.

[NorCal Native]

Southerners perspective wrote:

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If I may, I would like to add a Southerner's perspective to this. I grew up in the rural South where people speak distinct dialects. Southern whites speak with the classic Gone With the Wind accent. Southern blacks also have a distinct dialect. At least they did until a few years ago. In the last few years white teenage boys have picked up what 30 years ago was considered "black" slang and consider it redneck white. Southern blacks have drifted toward speech that sounds like Walter Crokite used to sound on the news only with a thicker accent.

Wow, things do change......here in certain areas, white boys tend to pick up slang word from Hispanics.......sometimes they are referred to Chicano Wannabe's......I hope I don't offend anyone.....yikes!!!

[Retired teacher]

NorCal Native wrote:

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Wow, things do change......here in certain areas, white boys tend to pick up slang word from Hispanics.......sometimes they are referred to Chicano Wannabe's......I hope I don't offend anyone.....yikes!!!

Down this way there aren't many Hispanic kids but white boys who picked up black slang used to be called "Wiggers". The generation that is coming on now talk that way and don't even know that it was once black. Black kids now have a different slang language from what their parents so they don't know it either.

[NorCal Native]

Retired teacher wrote:

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Down this way there aren't many Hispanic kids but white boys who picked up black slang used to be called "Wiggers". The generation that is coming on now talk that way and don't even know that it was once black. Black kids now have a different slang language from what their parents so they don't know it either.

Interesting that they have no idea that how they speak now, their parents would have made racial comments about in the past......It seems that the more things change the more they stay the same!!!

[NorCal Native]

To Retired Teacher in response to your post:
Interesting that they have no idea that how they speak now, their parents would have made racial comments about in the past......It seems that the more things change the more they stay the same!!!

[NorCal Native]

Sorry for the extra posts.......having issues with topix this morning!!!

[Nina]

NorCal Native wrote:

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I wasn't trying to play the "RACE" card, just asking for clarification as to what Andrew was getting at!!!

Oh, please accept my apology.