N.Y. legislators push gun safety measures

[pro choice]

Excuse me Mr. V.P., I don't need you to tell me what clothes t wear, what kind of car to drive, and I damn sure don't need you to tell me what kind of gun or magazine I can own!

[Right On Vermont]

A bill has been introduced into the Vermont State Legislature that would make non-gunowners register and pay a $500. fee. In accordance with the Constitution, "citizens should be at all times armed, and ready to defend the Constitution against all forms of tranny, both foreign and domestic". Vermont already has a high gun ownership population, and of course almost no violent crime...

[seen it before]

As expected, The gun haters have started circulating staged pictures of Oblama firing a shotgun. Every democratic candidate for prez since Johnson has stored these staged photos in their gun control files, to use as propaganda to try to divide gun owners..."Oh look, Oblama has a shotgun, he just wants to ban the other guy's gun" All the gun haters have tried this ploy, Schmuser, Fangstein, Byden... and yes you will soon see Chomo waving a shotgun around, saying "don't worry, trust me"... What they don't get is that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or trap shooting...

[Jumper50]

seen it before wrote:

As expected, The gun haters have started circulating staged pictures of Oblama firing a shotgun. Every democratic candidate for prez since Johnson has stored these staged photos in their gun control files, to use as propaganda to try to divide gun owners..."Oh look, Oblama has a shotgun, he just wants to ban the other guy's gun" All the gun haters have tried this ploy, Schmuser, Fangstein, Byden... and yes you will soon see Chomo waving a shotgun around, saying "don't worry, trust me"... What they don't get is that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or trap shooting...

Got that right those pics are just as real as the the President meeting the aliens hidden at area 51 ;)

[Wow]

Divide and conquer.

Feinstein and the Brady Campaign have made it public that their end game is NO civilian gun ownership. During the Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing last week, the San Diego Police Chief, one of her cronies, stated, "With the right laws, we can end gun ownership in a generation." California just introduced the first confiscation bill last week.

You are completely in denial if you think they will stop at the AR15 and AK47. No way in hell. Just like after the murder of JFK, there was a push to ban scoped bolt action 'Sniper rifles', there will be a push on everything else. Look at NY; Went from 10 rounds to 7 while the rest of the country is unrestricted. Why?

Because 7 is 3 closer to zero, which is what they intend.

You can hide from that unfortunate truth all you want, me, I'm reloading. Molon Labe.

De Opresssor Liber wrote:

I've owned pretty much every kind of gun that you can imagine...both handguns and rifles. I have a CCW, and I carry regularly. I think that it would be fair to state that I'm a gun enthusiast.
That said, I believe that there is no need for anyone - short of law-enforcement or military - to own tricked-out assault weapons..and yes, there is a difference between a 30.06 deer rifle and an AR, so don't try to bu11shit me.
There is a certain kind of shooter who tends to gravitate toward the AR's and AK's, especially the tricked-out guns. They're the idiots who need to prove their manhood to everyone on the range.
Then there is the hunting lobby. Let's face it; if you're a hunter who needs a high-cap clip or a tricked out trigger, you're not much of a hunter, right? I mean, one and done, that's the way a skilled shooters gets it done.
On to "personal protection". Now, I've fired these guns as often as anyone on this thread, and you and I both know that - even though they're not full-auto - these guns go WAY beyond what is needed for personal protection. A nice shotgun or 9mm is plenty for home protection.
These guns are nothing but overkill for guys who get off on owning them.

[Wow]

Other than being racist, what are you getting at here?

The color of the person doesn't matter. A law abiding citizen should always have the right to self defense and defense of nation and state.

Most of these 'minorities' you're talking about are in urban areas where there is no legal gun ownership. Ergo, only the criminals have guns.

Adding in the increased incidence of gang activity of minorities, the picture is pretty clear. Should we arm minorities? Yes. THe law abiding ones, just like everyone else. Would be good to have some legal guns in the hands of good people in ANY situation where only the bad guys have them.

GribsIsGreat wrote:

You know, I've been thinking... we need to get more legal firearms in the hands of minorities.
Based upon the information that the gun advocates have provided us, we know that in neighborhoods where there are more legal guns, there are fewer gun deaths, right? I mean, that's what the NRA says. So arming minorities makes sense.
Now, minorities are the victims of more police-brutality than any other group, right? And gun advocates are always spouting off that the government(in this case the police and FBI)should fear its citizens, right. So let's start getting more assault weapons into the hands of minorities.
Problem solved.

[Wow]

Women and minorities that support gun control is akin to chickens rallying for Colenol Sanders.

Madness.

[Sprockets]

Wow wrote:

Other than being racist, what are you getting at here?
The color of the person doesn't matter. A law abiding citizen should always have the right to self defense and defense of nation and state.
Most of these 'minorities' you're talking about are in urban areas where there is no legal gun ownership. Ergo, only the criminals have guns.
Adding in the increased incidence of gang activity of minorities, the picture is pretty clear. Should we arm minorities? Yes. THe law abiding ones, just like everyone else. Would be good to have some legal guns in the hands of good people in ANY situation where only the bad guys have them.
<quoted text>

My business just finished the grant for the "Protect Project". We're putting $500,000 into defensive weapons for minorities.

Seriously, this helped us, a lot, because the request came at the end of the tax season.

Don't worry, we'll make sure that it's a well-funded program into the next five years.

[Sprockets]

I should update the rest of you on Project Protect.

It actually started on one of these threads, according to the person who brought the RFP to our attention.

Project Protect will promote gun-ownership by minorities who live in high-crime areas.

I have to thank the NRA and it's supporters for helping get the word out about how important it is for people to be able to defend themselves.

With my company's help, we're going to negotiate with Ruger to get thousands of defensive weapons into urban households, and to train them to use those weapons responsibly.

[Sprockets]

I should clarify something. The $500,000 is for a two-year grant, not one years' funding.

[Sprockets]

Now, some of you have expressed concern that arming a large population when you might have to reduce their government benefits is highly dangerous, and we looked into this, but determined that it probably would not be an issue.

We hired a think tank in Houston to compile a report, and they seemed to feel that there would only be a20% of armed civil unrest and a n 8% change of a coordinated,armed uprising.

[Sprockets]

Sprockets wrote:

Now, some of you have expressed concern that arming a large population when you might have to reduce their government benefits is highly dangerous, and we looked into this, but determined that it probably would not be an issue.
We hired a think tank in Houston to compile a report, and they seemed to feel that there would only be a20% of armed civil unrest and a n 8% change of a coordinated,armed uprising.

Mike -

Its actually only a 19% chance. They adjusted the data in the final version of the report. Remember, they needed to add a smoothing-factor to account for those updated population stats?

[Sprockets]

I was wrong.. I copied and pasted an email from our project manager in my previous post.

Not a big difference, but you have to be accurate, right?

[sheepleloveroyal ty]

One of the reasons New York State and the likes of Bloomberg & Cuomo are able to ram through their anti-gun legislation is that the NYC doesn't produce the most educated person in the world. Over half their graduates need remedial reading and writing to attend college.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/345148

People who can't read have to rely on what they hear. If they HEAR someone on tv stating their opinion on something like gun control that is their information on gun control/the issue. That
includes the emotion and/or inferences the speaker puts in their message. People who can't read are less likely to research the topic or simply read other opinions in the paper. That's why invoking emotional/reactionary responses works so well for the Democrats.

Cuomo rammed home state legislation in a state where almost half the population is in or from NYC. If his constituents have poorer educations they will rely on their emotions and not logic when it comes to the issues. Throw in a heavy immigrant population who are ignorant to the constitution or it's meaning it's easy to bamboozle them.

If a nanny state can't even teach someone to read dr suess how can they actually protect those same people.

[Proud Patriot]

Boycott New York and the Safe Act, DO NOT buy a hunting or fishing license until this illegal law is overturned. King Cuomo has set up a tip hotline for reporting illegal guns. Guns that were legal only weeks ago. A $500.00 reward is paid to the caller.
No search warrant needed, just police looking for guns, your guns. Avoid anything else the state could profit from, remember it is your money they are paying the reward with.
It has already begun my Friends. Good Luck

[NRA Member]

"there is a difference between a 30.06 deer rifle and an AR"

There are numerous differences, but none of them have anything to do with making the AR more "lethal" which in fact it is not. For the most part the differences are nothing but appearance.

Traditonally deer rifles have had beautiful walnut stocks and blued barrels and receivers, however many now use synthetic materials. ARs are mostly black metal and synthetic.

Deer rifles look benign since we are used to looking at them. Black rifles which are usually almost all made of metal look threatening to the uninformed.

Most ARs are chambered for a much smaller round than the typical deer rifle. Put a 30-06 or a 308 into somebody and they're going to be dead. Put a 223 into them and chances are they'll drive themselves to the doctors.

The magazines in the typical deer rifle are not as visible as the magazine in the typical AR therefore making the deer rifle look comparably less dangerous than it is.

Now the postives.

The best feature of the AR is, similar to the PC computer, that is infinitely configurable.

When you buy a Remington deer rifle for example you'll probably, with the exception of a scope and a sling, never alter it from factory stock. Your initial choices are limited to what the factory offers in terms of caliber, barrel length, stocks, etc.

The AR can be bought as individual parts and assembled any way the owner would like. Barrel length, caliber, material, style, options, grips, triggers, bolts, stocks, sights, and more are available in a bewildering multitude of choices. Like the PC computer, ARs are built to a standard which is referred to as "milspec". Thus parts are universal fit which encourages manufacturers to produce them as opposed to parts which may fit only one specific make and model of traditional rifle which are less economically feasible to market.

The AR is actually the "thinking mans gun" because, in order to make an informed purchase, you must first have a plan on what you are going to be doing with the firearm. Whether it be game, varmints, organized match competitions, home defense, or just plinking at targets will determine the features and options that you will want in your firearm.

By the nature of their construction ARs are very easy to break down for service. A properly functioning clean firearm is a safer firearm.

All in all the AR type of modern sporting rifle is the way of the future. Wooden guns will eventually disappear just like all those fly by night computers of the early 80's have fallen by the wayside in favor of the mighty PC. What we need is for this mass hysteria propagated by the media and the gun grabbers to be replace with reason. The AR is no different than any other sem-automatic sporting rifle, plain and simple.