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undecided

Wentzville, MO

#1 Dec 14, 2012
Need for gun control or nationwide mandatory metal detectors and police at every public school?
hmm

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Dec 14, 2012
undecided wrote:
Need for gun control or nationwide mandatory metal detectors and police at every public school?
So how does gun control solve this? What would you do to change our current gun laws?
Reality

Chesterfield, MO

#3 Dec 14, 2012
What kind of gun control? I hear gun control quite a bit when one of these incidents happens, but no specifics. Waiting periods? I don't hear where the shooters went out and bought a gun just for the rampage that morning, so waiting periods would not help. Banning certain types of guns? Might reduce the body count, but not likely, and not by much, and I don't think we are looking to just lower the numbers a bit. The attacks still would happen.

You can make some improvements at the schools, but a determined person will find the flaws in any system. Do we really want to turn our schools into armed fortresses? Because that is what you are talking about, or minor improvements would just be an illusion of security. Most schools already have an officer. They can't be everywhere at once.

I don't have a good answer, because there is none, except to change our culture where we treat each other with respect and dignity and a value for life, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Jack

Saint Peters, MO

#4 Dec 14, 2012
100 percent of every school shooting in the United States had one common denominator. Misuse of antidepressant/anti psychotic medications was involved. The drug industry is quick to throw up smokescreens about gun control. Anti depressants have 'acute psychotic episodes' as a side effect. Much of this goes hush hush. This is a tragedy.
METAL DETECTORS

Troy, MO

#5 Dec 14, 2012
Troy R-III needs metal detectors installed.
CALL your superintendant and DEMAND them at EVERY SCHOOL. We have the revenuse from the last tax increase. DEMAND THEM NOW!!!!!!!
hmm

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Dec 14, 2012
METAL DETECTORS wrote:
Troy R-III needs metal detectors installed.
CALL your superintendant and DEMAND them at EVERY SCHOOL. We have the revenuse from the last tax increase. DEMAND THEM NOW!!!!!!!
Not sure that is the ticket, very costly and not very effective at times, what if a kid passes the gun through a window ect??? Lets not turn it into a prison just yet.
Lets Be Clear

Wentzville, MO

#7 Dec 14, 2012
What is wrong is a breakdown of the fabric of the things that used to hold us together.
Family, Community, Faith, Morality, Decency, Empathy,and so on.

Abandoning these things have left some with no compass of conscience.
Conflict resolution has been reduced to one option, namely death. However macabre that means of death is, it most certainly includes the murdering and maiming of as many innocents you can manage to take with you on your journey out of existence.

Gun control is laughable in this sense.

Fixing the Human Spirit is the only hope, and that cannot be accomplished by any person.
Really

Shirley, AR

#8 Dec 15, 2012
hmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure that is the ticket, very costly and not very effective at times, what if a kid passes the gun through a window ect??? Lets not turn it into a prison just yet.
A prison? That's a little extreme. Passing a gun through a window? A prison you can not leave. A metal detector prevents the criminal from getting IN not OUT.
How many kindergartners would pass a gun through a window? But a metal detector would have stopped a 20 year old maniac from entering a school and killing innocent people. I agree we should spend some of the tax revenue on more security.
Not Sure

Foristell, MO

#9 Dec 15, 2012
Jack wrote:
100 percent of every school shooting in the United States had one common denominator. Misuse of antidepressant/anti psychotic medications was involved. The drug industry is quick to throw up smokescreens about gun control. Anti depressants have 'acute psychotic episodes' as a side effect. Much of this goes hush hush. This is a tragedy.
Would you please cite the reference that supports this claim? I would like to read the data myself. Thank You.
Lets Be Clear

Wentzville, MO

#10 Dec 15, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>A prison? That's a little extreme. Passing a gun through a window? A prison you can not leave. A metal detector prevents the criminal from getting IN not OUT.
How many kindergartners would pass a gun through a window? But a metal detector would have stopped a 20 year old maniac from entering a school and killing innocent people. I agree we should spend some of the tax revenue on more security.
So are you saying that a shooter with intent would walk up to the metal detector and go, "oh, a metal detector. damn, I guess I'm not getting in today."
A metal detector would stop NOONE with the intent of getting into a school. Don't fool yourself.

The shooter in this case, forcibly entered the school. Although they are not saying, he probably shot out a door or window to gain access. He was intent.

More security may be necessary, but it isn't going to fix the problem. See above.

And for all of the gun control advocates that want to ban semi automatic rifles; well, apparently this shooter left his Mom's in the car. He was armed with pistols, also lawfully owned by his Mom.
Gun control would have played no part in this case. Connecticut, with some of the strictest gun control laws in the Nation didn't deter a deranged individual with the intent of personifying evil.
Plato

Saint Charles, MO

#11 Dec 15, 2012
With respect to more gun control laws, lets remember what Plato said,

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."

It was true in his time, and it is true in ours. So pass more restrictions on the good people to make yourselves feel better, and be shocked when something like this happens again.
undecided

Foristell, MO

#12 Dec 15, 2012
Precisely why I started this post ... To get a decent debate started.

On another subject, regardless of how the shooter entered the building, with respect to obviously forthcoming lawsuits against the school district for damages, the school had a duty to provide a safe learning environment. But, did the school take enough precautions to provide a safe learning environment?
Lets Be Clear

Wentzville, MO

#13 Dec 15, 2012
undecided wrote:
Precisely why I started this post ... To get a decent debate started.
On another subject, regardless of how the shooter entered the building, with respect to obviously forthcoming lawsuits against the school district for damages, the school had a duty to provide a safe learning environment. But, did the school take enough precautions to provide a safe learning environment?
In the context of a civil suit?
The school district could provide a personal, armed guard for each and every student and it wouldn't be enough. If something happened, the school would be sued.
Sad commentary in my opinion.
gun owner

Fairfax, VA

#14 Dec 15, 2012
Plato wrote:
With respect to more gun control laws, lets remember what Plato said,
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."
It was true in his time, and it is true in ours. So pass more restrictions on the good people to make yourselves feel better, and be shocked when something like this happens again.
That's right there is plenty of gun control. There's a ban on guns in most public places already. I have to leave my gun in my car just to take a piss in the gas station. Besides if you take the guns away from all the good people the only ones left with them will be the bad ones. Those are odds I don't want to deal with. Bans and restrictions will not stop the ill intent!!!!!!!!!
undecided

Fairfax, VA

#15 Dec 15, 2012
Liberals blame the gun. I blame the criminal.
Jack

Saint Peters, MO

#17 Dec 15, 2012
What the heck is happening???? Topix used to allow links to youtube...all these are coming up as 'unavailable.' this is b.s. This site is going down the proverbial toilet. Just check out psycheforum and get the direct links there.
Jack

Saint Peters, MO

#18 Dec 15, 2012
Just google ' anti depressant drugs and school shootings' You'll get dozens of references, videos, books, and studies. This is the story of the mental trigger that is NOT being discussed.
Proccw

Foristell, MO

#19 Dec 16, 2012
Plato wrote:
With respect to more gun control laws, lets remember what Plato said,
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."
It was true in his time, and it is true in ours. So pass more restrictions on the good people to make yourselves feel better, and be shocked when something like this happens again.
May I add a quote from Albert Einstein "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again, expecting different results "
Cite the source please

O Fallon, MO

#20 Dec 16, 2012
Jack wrote:
Just google ' anti depressant drugs and school shootings' You'll get dozens of references, videos, books, and studies. This is the story of the mental trigger that is NOT being discussed.
I asked you to cite the source that definitively stated that 100% of these shootings are due to drug induced behavior. You have not.

I must conclude therefore that your statement is pure conjecture and not supported by fact....in otherwords, useless and false.
Jack

Saint Peters, MO

#21 Dec 16, 2012
You want me to do your homework...but it's so easy. Follow directions please...there are multiple sources if you look. Just google anti depressants and school shootings...that is JUST the start. From there ,look up specific drugs such as Ritalin and school shootings. Watch the youtube videos of news stations doing actual investigations of the links.(FOX is the first you'll notice)...then from there go to the 'Congressional hearings on the links between school shootings and anti depressant medications.( The VT shootings )

The first links when you google will take you to www.naturalnews.com/022930 and David Guitterrez's study...Anti depressant medications Linked to School shootings.

the second link is "Increase in School Shootings Linked to Anti depressant Medications" Healthimpactnews.com

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