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I stated before that my friend's son was harrassed last Friday night by a deputy and his parents were witnesses to it. A lieutenant called them last night and assured them that he would view the tape and get back to them. Well, there was no audio or video. I thought with the new system[implemented in 2006] there was always supposed to be a record of stops. The lieutenant said he counseled the deputy on how to behave professionally.
Also, I'm having trouble finding anyone who has heard of this Lincoln County Sheriff's Assoc. I'm also including people in law enforcement. If it's been around for over a year, why not a website so people can see for themselves or even see a list of board members, etc? This is why people don't trust the current administration.
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Re article in STL Post Dispatch“Badges may provide no shield from a new sheriff”???? So many questions.. Lincoln Co does not have a huge impact, bearing, nor importance to the City of St Louis nor St Louis County where the majority of readers reside, it seems very unrealistic that an experienced writer would be so desperate for an article to even address the Sheriff’s elections in Lincoln Co –being that no other issues on the ballot were addressed. I think it would be safe to say that Mr. Bartlett solicited his contact at the paper and due to his apparent long-standing history with the writer was able to “plead his case and worries” to print.
Alarming that a member of LCSD with such experience and history, is unable to “fight crime” due to an election he is not personally running in. Not only is it alarming that there is one less member of the department ensuring the safety of Lincoln Co, a person with his record, as reported –I am sure is being truly missed and the safety of all should be of great concern. I hope in light of the article, the current Administration of LCSD, is looking into this matter. I would anticipate that John Cottle being in the position of “Office of Professional Standards” would ensure that Mr. Bartlett receives the support he needs in his difficult time -oh and addressing the fact that a law enforcement personnel who is carrying a gun on a daily basis, is receiving the attention he needs so that he can fulfill his obligations to his co-workers, superiors, and most importantly the citizens of Lincoln Co. Wondering if under the current administration standards, in which John Cottle is “2nd in command”, there are policies to support members of their department in times of difficulty perhaps per the CALEA certification?
Multiple people I talk to within LCSD, the majority just want the election to be over…not fearing for their jobs, if Cottle doesn’t win. They are sick of the internal badgering over the whole situation. Reportedly, when Cottle announced he would be running, no election issues would be brought into daily functions within the department. Well, Krigbaum doesn’t work for LCSD yet…..so obviously he isn’t the one bringing it in daily and affecting the function of the department.
Regarding the issue that Krigbaum told Mr. Bartlett and others that “There is an arrogance in that department; there’s an attitude problem.” I think it is well known in the community that LCSD is run under “The Good ‘Ol Boys” system –or as mentioned previously –“The Cool Kids Club”. I’ve heard those who are fearing their job security are part of this “Cool Kids Club” going up to people saying “help me keep my job- elect John”
My thoughts, if you have done a good job, know you’ve done a good job, and your current superiors have reflected this in promotions –you shouldn’t be “scared”. Not saying it is not understandable some may be fearing their job security, as they are used to working under the administration of “The Good Ol Boys” system. But maybe not everyone holds that type of standard when in a highly elected position. I hope Mr. Bartlett looks at his record of service and experience as mentioned in the article and can find reassurance that he is qualified for his position, and not everyone has the same set of standards that he is used to working under.
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Does anyone know what happened at the Troy City Council meeting the other night? I heard it was bad.
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You should have been there, It was terrible. One girl even got so emotional she cried. The flood water from the other night got into her mothers home and she received 12 foot of water in her home. The board members felt so bad for her they are calling in FEMA to help.
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You act surprised that the Cottle campaign would resort to mud slinging to get the position he is trying to get. What you are really seeing is the Cottle record, there is nothing new to what he is doing. It is all about leadership and the type of leader a person is. From what I can tell there are two types of leaders, there are selfless leaders, and there are selfish leaders. A selfless leader approaches a position with the best interest of the workders and those he serves as his driving force. A selfish leader is one who has their own best interest as their driving force. The selfless leader constantly asks themselves what is best for the organization, while a selfish leader asks what is good for me. The Cottle campaign is trying to paint you a picture of him as a selfless leader, when his track record shows that he is clearly a selfish leader.
Cottle's tour with Lincoln County has been anything but selfless. He has clamied he accomplished things that others in the department actually accomplished, had an affair with a married woman who worked for him, while her husband was serving with the United States Army in Iraq, and then claimed to respect veterans, all the while telling those officers that fell under his command that this was unacceptable. He has lied to supervisors, subordinates, and you the public to try to make himself look like a loving family man and a man with integrity.
One look at the Cottle literature should be a clue that he lacks any real commitment to the citizen of Lincoln County. Some literature implies that he is the Under Sheriff, while other documents call him simply a Major at the department, and yet another document says that his office is the Office of Professional Standards. While I agree that the title of Major could work with either official position, I wonder why it keeps changing. I am confused at what he believes are professional standards. Perhaps it is the affair with the serviceman's wife while the serviceman was in Iraq defending his right to run for sheriff, or maybe it is the attack on Krigbaum with the malicious lies and half-truths, or maybe it's the fact that he is willing to take credit for what others do in the department, or I suppose it might be the lies he has told to his deputies. Whatever he believes, it is clear that the position of Sheriff for him is nothing more than his desire to have the power to run over people and destroy what Sheriff Torres built. I won't try to tell you who you should vote for, that is for you to decide on your own, but I will tell you to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, they are almost always trying to get something they don't deserve.
I wondered if any one was ever going to come out with the tuth about cottel. The one affair is not the worst of his deeds just the most recent. His first wife suffered at his ego cop behavior also.
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I feel very sorry for the voters in Lincoln County. The inforamtion on this site is not accurate for the most part. I hesitated to even make a comment because it seems pointless, given the content of most of the posts on this blog. But I'm tired of sitting by silently and hoping that there are enough intelligent people out there to make a difference. Additionally, I am posting this for all of those citizens who are reading information to try and make an informed decision. This does not seem to apply to the majority of people who are posting on this site.

Elections these days, whether on the local, state or national level, have become about fear. The candidate that can make the voters be afraid the most, seems to win. Mind you, it doesn't seem to take anything but a statement, whether true or not, relevant or not, to do this. The candidate, or his supporters, don't have to have any proof, they just say it. So the person, if "wrongfully accused" is left with proving a negative, which is nearly impossible to do.

I can only hope that there is intelligent life left out there and the voters realize that just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true. If you don't know something personally, then please go to that candidate and ask. If you have heard something that you can't verify as true or untrue, go to the candidate and ask. I would also suggest that many times you cannot count on other individuals to actually know the truth, as convinced as they are. Too many people have a hidden bias, or got the information from someone who had a bias. To continue to print empty statements on here does a disservice to the entire system.

This is to the voters who actually care about real issues: the information on this blog and the others surrounding the same topic is not completely accurate. If you care that much to got out a cast a vote, which you should, please take time to find out the actual truth. Please don't let those with personal issues against a candidate cloud your judgement.

Finally, since I'm on a roll, I realize that many of the "problems" cited so often with the Sheriff's department are over the shooting in October 2005. So why don't people just come out and say it. The problem I have is this: why are people holding the sheriff's department as a whole responsible? Everyone who has ever been critical of the handling of the situation has never once been able to state how it shouldn't have been handled differently. So I challenge all of those people to state exactly how the Sheriff's department should have handled the situation. I guarantee you that even if a person can state something diffent, it wouldn't be plausible. As an attorney, I know that the department handled the situation the only way it could, under the current law. The deputy was placed on administratige leave, he was fired when he was charged, he was not re-hired after he was found not-guilty. That is all the department could do.
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You should go back to your work, NOT keep wasting tax payer's money!
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I feel very sorry for the voters in Lincoln County. The inforamtion on this site is not accurate for the most part. I hesitated to even make a comment because it seems pointless, given the content of most of the posts on this blog. But I'm tired of sitting by silently and hoping that there are enough intelligent people out there to make a difference. Additionally, I am posting this for all of those citizens who are reading information to try and make an informed decision. This does not seem to apply to the majority of people who are posting on this site.
Elections these days, whether on the local, state or national level, have become about fear. The candidate that can make the voters be afraid the most, seems to win. Mind you, it doesn't seem to take anything but a statement, whether true or not, relevant or not, to do this. The candidate, or his supporters, don't have to have any proof, they just say it. So the person, if "wrongfully accused" is left with proving a negative, which is nearly impossible to do.
I can only hope that there is intelligent life left out there and the voters realize that just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true. If you don't know something personally, then please go to that candidate and ask. If you have heard something that you can't verify as true or untrue, go to the candidate and ask. I would also suggest that many times you cannot count on other individuals to actually know the truth, as convinced as they are. Too many people have a hidden bias, or got the information from someone who had a bias. To continue to print empty statements on here does a disservice to the entire system.
This is to the voters who actually care about real issues: the information on this blog and the others surrounding the same topic is not completely accurate. If you care that much to got out a cast a vote, which you should, please take time to find out the actual truth. Please don't let those with personal issues against a candidate cloud your judgement.
Finally, since I'm on a roll, I realize that many of the "problems" cited so often with the Sheriff's department are over the shooting in October 2005. So why don't people just come out and say it. The problem I have is this: why are people holding the sheriff's department as a whole responsible? Everyone who has ever been critical of the handling of the situation has never once been able to state how it shouldn't have been handled differently. So I challenge all of those people to state exactly how the Sheriff's department should have handled the situation. I guarantee you that even if a person can state something diffent, it wouldn't be plausible. As an attorney, I know that the department handled the situation the only way it could, under the current law. The deputy was placed on administratige leave, he was fired when he was charged, he was not re-hired after he was found not-guilty. That is all the department could do.
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You should go back to your work, NOT keep wasting tax payer's money!
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Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about. I'm on vacation, but thank you for you concern, the tax payers can rest easy.
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If you don't have a problem with the shooting of those two young men, then you are one cold fish. The fact that the sheriff's department showed deputies rallying for Forler is enough to give anyone a bad taste in their mouth. I feel about as sorry for anyone in that department as Torres felt when he came in and fired employees who had been there for years.
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The Sheriff's Department didn't show deputies rallying for Forler. Get your facts straight or stop deliberately misleading people.
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If you don't have a problem with the shooting of those two young men, then you are one cold fish. The fact that the sheriff's department showed deputies rallying for Forler is enough to give anyone a bad taste in their mouth. I feel about as sorry for anyone in that department as Torres felt when he came in and fired employees who had been there for years.
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karen wrote:
I stated before that my friend's son was harrassed last Friday night by a deputy and his parents were witnesses to it. A lieutenant called them last night and assured them that he would view the tape and get back to them. Well, there was no audio or video. I thought with the new system[implemented in 2006] there was always supposed to be a record of stops. The lieutenant said he counseled the deputy on how to behave professionally.
Also, I'm having trouble finding anyone who has heard of this Lincoln County Sheriff's Assoc. I'm also including people in law enforcement. If it's been around for over a year, why not a website so people can see for themselves or even see a list of board members, etc? This is why people don't trust the current administration.
Imagine that, no audio and no video! Did you expect to really get a fair true response. Do you really think they would provide that kind of damming evidence against themselves? Especially before the election. I bet if you spit on the deputy, they would come up with that video and audio of you getting your ass whooped.

As far as counseled the deputy on how to behave professionally, if he violated your rights would they counsel him about that too? If he doesn't know how to behave professionally, why is he employeed there in the first place?

Personally, I don't think you will find the Assoc. anywhere except in house. I believe it is an in-house orginazation. Or maybe just so new (i.e. a political stunt suggested by Cottle for extra points) and just hasn't been authenticated just yet. When they say it has been around for a year, they mean, they have been talking about having it for a year and just formed it recently.
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Imagine that, no audio and no video! Did you expect to really get a fair true response. Do you really think they would provide that kind of damming evidence against themselves? Especially before the election. I bet if you spit on the deputy, they would come up with that video and audio of you getting your ass whooped.
As far as counseled the deputy on how to behave professionally, if he violated your rights would they counsel him about that too? If he doesn't know how to behave professionally, why is he employeed there in the first place?
Personally, I don't think you will find the Assoc. anywhere except in house. I believe it is an in-house organizations. Or maybe just so new (i.e. a political stunt suggested by Cottle for extra points) and just hasn't been authenticated just yet. When they say it has been around for a year, they mean, they have been talking about having it for a year and just formed it recently.
OK, your correct about they have been talking about it for a year and only in the last 5 months has anything really been done to get it going, why the last 5 months, because they had to hurry up to endorse Cottle just before the primary.

As to the Deputy, I think the administration handled it exactly right. Come on, who comes into your job and judges your every move, then puts it out in public for everyone to second guess. The deputy is afraid that if Cottle is not elected he will lose his job, and he made a bad choice. He should be told to stop. But, knowing nothing of his character and past history it seems arrogant to look at an isolated incident and say the deputy should be disciplined far more. Remember their whole life is hinging on this election, its a bigger deal to the people who have to work for the new Sheriff than anyone else, so they care. This just wasn't the right way to support their candidate. Lighten up and quite trying to form a lynch mob to come after the deputies. Remember that if your in a bad situation who is going to be their to help you. These guys will, and they will bend over backwards to help victims in this county. Don't forget the good, just because of a few errors along the way.
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ok, I'll give you that on the deputies. I'm not saying they are all bad, it just has to a few in the click who seem to make the whole bunch look bad right now. There are a LOT of EXCELLENT deputies working for the Sheriffs Department. With the whole "support Cottle on the traffic stop thing", and the harassment issue with no video or audio. Where can we begin to support the current admin. With this type of behavior going on and not a way to protect ourselves? What are we to do? CHANGE THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION? That might be a good way to start. OR, JUST TAKE THE CHEATER OUT OF THE GAME!
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The Sheriff's Department didn't show deputies rallying for Forler. Get your facts straight or stop deliberately misleading people.
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I guess you don't watch televison. It was on the news how the deputies and there family's were on the lot of the Justis center in support of officer forler. When the families of the boys that were shot and the public was on the street in front of the sheriff's department at the candle light vigils, there was officers inside of the justus center watching. I was there and witnessed it for myself.
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Feel sorry for voters wrote:
The Sheriff's Department didn't show deputies rallying for Forler. Get your facts straight or stop deliberately misleading people.

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I stand corrected. I should have said the television news crews showed the deputies rallying in support of Forler.
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Feel sorry for voters wrote:
I feel very sorry for the voters in Lincoln County. The inforamtion on this site is not accurate for the most part. I hesitated to even make a comment because it seems pointless, given the content of most of the posts on this blog. But I'm tired of sitting by silently and hoping that there are enough intelligent people out there to make a difference. Additionally, I am posting this for all of those citizens who are reading information to try and make an informed decision. This does not seem to apply to the majority of people who are posting on this site.
Elections these days, whether on the local, state or national level, have become about fear. The candidate that can make the voters be afraid the most, seems to win. Mind you, it doesn't seem to take anything but a statement, whether true or not, relevant or not, to do this. The candidate, or his supporters, don't have to have any proof, they just say it. So the person, if "wrongfully accused" is left with proving a negative, which is nearly impossible to do.
I can only hope that there is intelligent life left out there and the voters realize that just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true. If you don't know something personally, then please go to that candidate and ask. If you have heard something that you can't verify as true or untrue, go to the candidate and ask. I would also suggest that many times you cannot count on other individuals to actually know the truth, as convinced as they are. Too many people have a hidden bias, or got the information from someone who had a bias. To continue to print empty statements on here does a disservice to the entire system.
This is to the voters who actually care about real issues: the information on this blog and the others surrounding the same topic is not completely accurate. If you care that much to got out a cast a vote, which you should, please take time to find out the actual truth. Please don't let those with personal issues against a candidate cloud your judgement.
Finally, since I'm on a roll, I realize that many of the "problems" cited so often with the Sheriff's department are over the shooting in October 2005. So why don't people just come out and say it. The problem I have is this: why are people holding the sheriff's department as a whole responsible? Everyone who has ever been critical of the handling of the situation has never once been able to state how it shouldn't have been handled differently. So I challenge all of those people to state exactly how the Sheriff's department should have handled the situation. I guarantee you that even if a person can state something diffent, it wouldn't be plausible. As an attorney, I know that the department handled the situation the only way it could, under the current law. The deputy was placed on administratige leave, he was fired when he was charged, he was not re-hired after he was found not-guilty. That is all the department could do.
You have such a bleeding heart for the accused. You must be a defense attorney. In fact I bet you sleep in the day, because I bet you can't sleep at night........
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I stand corrected. I should have said the television news crews showed the deputies rallying in support of Forler.
Lets be clear, some deputies (not even close to all) and whole lot of other people who were not affiliated with the department marched on their own time. In a look back, they should have taken the high road throughout instead of that hick-up. But, in their defense, they were watching every monday night a group of people marching in front of the sheriff's department calling them names, screaming profanities and being hositle. After several weeks of this they calmed down a little and started marching in a civil responsible way. at first though, most were drunk, several were bussed in from a bar and drinking a keg on the bus, before protesting holding up signs that went to far in their attacks. Those deputies were walking into taco bell and being stared at whith looks of hate, yet they personally had done nothing wrong. Targets were on the back of vehicles and words like don't shoot. It was a lot to deal with and I think we can all admit, they took it in stride and took the high road throughout minus the one march in which a few showed their support. Note: They had nothing on identifiying them as deputies and most of those marching were not deputies.

Again, I am just trying to be honest and fair about this.
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deputies are good wrote:
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Lets be clear, some deputies (not even close to all) and whole lot of other people who were not affiliated with the department marched on their own time. In a look back, they should have taken the high road throughout instead of that hick-up. But, in their defense, they were watching every monday night a group of people marching in front of the sheriff's department calling them names, screaming profanities and being hositle. After several weeks of this they calmed down a little and started marching in a civil responsible way. at first though, most were drunk, several were bussed in from a bar and drinking a keg on the bus, before protesting holding up signs that went to far in their attacks. Those deputies were walking into taco bell and being stared at whith looks of hate, yet they personally had done nothing wrong. Targets were on the back of vehicles and words like don't shoot. It was a lot to deal with and I think we can all admit, they took it in stride and took the high road throughout minus the one march in which a few showed their support. Note: They had nothing on identifiying them as deputies and most of those marching were not deputies.
Again, I am just trying to be honest and fair about this.
I wasn't at the vigils so I can't say how people were acting but I had friends who were there and I know they would not have been a party to yelling and screaming at anyone. They attended almost all of the vigils. I didn't say all the deputies were behind Forler, but some of them were because I saw them on TV. Some even attended Forler's trial. I know that there were deputies and others who were not involved and chose not to be affiliated with any of that. We have friends in law enforcement who didn't want to be a part of that nightmare and we also disagree with a couple of them about the whole issue in general. I don't blame any other deputies for Forler's behavior other than Forler but I can tell you as I explained to our friends, there is no other line of work where you claim to be a "brotherhood" and there are alot more of people like me than there are people like you. The sheriff, if he had handled it properly, should have told the deputies who were rallying behind Forler, NOT to draw any more negative attention to that department or they were going to be fired.
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The word "brotherhood"----It' s a well known fact that those who serve the public such as law enforcement and firefighters, who both have dangerous jobs, use that term, and you use it as a suggestion of dishonesty and cover-up. Also it seems in your mind you have every right to voice your opinion on events, with no real proof to support your way of thinking, but someone else is not because of their profession? Talk about double standard when it comes to constitutional rights. And since you admit you weren't at the vigils, you have no idea how people, including friends you think you know, acted, seeing that most of the time in socialogical behavior a group acts as one, hence the term "mob rule". People caught up in mass movements tend to do things they normally would never do if acting alone. Also you said they attended most, not all, of the protests, which once again supports the fact that you don't know much about the events. I find it surprising that you have "friends" in law enforcement simply because of the way you portray their profession. You are right with your statement about there being more people like you than the above poster, if you mean people stating "information" who have absolutely no facts whatsoever to back up anything you say. You should also have someone explain the U.S. constitution to you.
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You above have probably not read the topic of this post. If you want to discuss your opinion about how you supported the Forler shooting incident, make a new post. This was supposed to be about the Lincoln County Sheriff, not what happened with the shooting. Let me guess who you are voting for???????

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