Fight over gay marriage flares in N.J.

Fight over gay marriage flares in N.J.

There are 36 comments on the The Star Press story from Jun 27, 2013, titled Fight over gay marriage flares in N.J.. In it, The Star Press reports that:

Advocates for gay marriage in New Jersey gather outside the Statehouse in Trenton on June 27, saying they'll press their case in the Legislature and the courts after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that invalidates parts of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

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Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#22 Jul 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
Anybody know what the Lt Governor's position is ?
I mean, it IS New Joisey, after all.
ahem.......
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#23 Jul 5, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No one represents the people better than the people themselves.
Cristy wants it on the ballot. With polls showing greater than 60% support for gay marriage in NJ you have little to worry about with a ballot vote. Ballot votes don't always go the way of a poll though.
How about if we vote on YOUR civil rights?
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#24 Jul 5, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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There is always a vote, that can't be avoided. Whether it's the people the legislators, the supreme court, there is always a vote.
In Massachusetts the legislators took the vote away from the people and voted gay marriage legal. Is this elected officials representing the people? No, it's a handful of people dictating to the people.
Look up "representative republic." You should have learned it in high school.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#25 Jul 5, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
<quoted text>How about if we vote on YOUR civil rights?
You can put traditional marriage on the ballot anytime you want to if you can gather the signatures. I'm 100% for it if it will make you happy. Make it known that you started the initiative so people will know who to laugh at.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#26 Jul 5, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
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Look up "representative republic." You should have learned it in high school.
I think it's you that should look it up.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#27 Jul 5, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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You can put traditional marriage on the ballot anytime you want to if you can gather the signatures. I'm 100% for it if it will make you happy. Make it known that you started the initiative so people will know who to laugh at.
Which is exactly why minority rights shouldn't be voted on by an uneducated bigoted majority.

It's why all citizens have certain basic rights which are not subject to popular vote.

Do you really think blacks would have the right to vote in the south if that right had been put to a popular vote in each state?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#28 Jul 5, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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There is always a vote, that can't be avoided. Whether it's the people the legislators, the supreme court, there is always a vote.
In Massachusetts the legislators took the vote away from the people and voted gay marriage legal. Is this elected officials representing the people? No, it's a handful of people dictating to the people.
Section 1. No man shall marry his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, stepmother, grandfather’s wife, grandson’s wife, wife’s mother, wife’s grandmother, wife’s daughter, wife’s granddaughter, brother’s daughter, sister’s daughter, father’s sister or mother’s sister.
How did stepmother get in there? No blood there. Some stepmothers are as young as the children.
You could have had a vote of the electorate in Massachusetts in 2006. But you and your ilk decided that a constitutional amendment allowing civil unions was not good enough, you all insisted on banning all recognition of relationships between same-sex couples. So the 2004 amendment was discarded in2005--at the insistence of the anti-gay crowd.then the 2006 amendment was discarded by 75% of the legislature in 2007. Want someone to blame? Look to the homophobes.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#29 Jul 7, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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You can put traditional marriage on the ballot anytime you want to if you can gather the signatures. I'm 100% for it if it will make you happy. Make it known that you started the initiative so people will know who to laugh at.
Not every State has voter initiatives, dumbass. People in YOUR State are laughing at YOU....squawking endlessly for TEN YEARS!!!!! When does learning occur with you?
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#30 Jul 7, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I think it's you that should look it up.
The USA is a representative republic, NOT a direct democracy. You should have learned this stuff in high school.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#31 Jul 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Christie is looking at the GOP primary in 2016. He has no choice but to oppose marriage equality if he wants a shot at winning the nomination.
He also knows the legislature will likely override his veto either this year or next, so then he can say he did everything he could and lay the blame (?) on the legislature.
He's a very smart politician.
While Christy tries to project his image as a tough, outspoken, foul-mouthed, New Jersey tough guy, he undermines that image bending over (yes, pun intended) to accommodate the homophobic GOP extremist fringe. elides, those people are too crazy to nominate anyone with an IQ that exceeds their age.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#32 Jul 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
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We are SUPPOSED to elect the cream of the crop to exercise wisdom and be the voices of our better ideals. That is a Republican form of government.
It seems that the cream of the crop don't make themselves available.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-publ...
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#33 Jul 7, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
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The USA is a representative republic, NOT a direct democracy. You should have learned this stuff in high school.
So when can we expect our representatives to represent us?
I repeat, no one represents the American people better than the people themselves. No high school required to understand this fact.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#34 Jul 7, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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So when can we expect our representatives to represent us?
I repeat, no one represents the American people better than the people themselves. No high school required to understand this fact.
Which is why the people vote every 2 years to elect their state & federal legislators.

If you don't like how your elected member is representing you, then you vote for someone else next time.

It is simply unrealistic to think the people would have to draw up an vote on the thousand of bill required to keep our states and the federal govt running every year.

Take the mess that is the California initiative process and multiply that by a bazillion, and that's what you'd have with direct democracy. Which is why NO country on the planet has such a system of government- it's unworkable.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#35 Jul 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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It seems that the cream of the crop don't make themselves available.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-publ...
Too true.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#36 Jul 9, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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So when can we expect our representatives to represent us?
I repeat, no one represents the American people better than the people themselves. No high school required to understand this fact.
I think you mean "When can I expect our representatives to represent ME?".

The first thing you need to accept is that your fellow citizens voted for those representatives. No matter how poor you find those choices, they won the vote. And no one has suggested systematic rigging of elections in Massachusetts, nor the rest of the northeast.

Apparently, you are unable to accept that you are out of synch with the majority. I made peace with that long ago.

And the fact is that the people themselves do a rather poor job of representing themselves. The state that comes closest may well be California with its several constitution changes EVERY year, plus dozens of other voter-sponsored initiatives. Perhaps you would feel more at home in California with its incessant people's initiativecampaigns? At least the winters are milder.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#37 Jul 9, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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So when can we expect our representatives to represent us?
I repeat, no one represents the American people better than the people themselves. No high school required to understand this fact.
Your opinion changes NOTHING. You should have figured that out by now. Education would have saved you the trouble of learning the hard way. America is NOT a direct democracy. DEAL WITH IT. You get your chance to affect change on election day.

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