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#1 Sep 13, 2011
It's election time for the City of Trenton. Three running for Mayor. Although I am NOT a resident of the City, I know who is the most qualified... Do YOU??????????
#2 Sep 13, 2011
#3 Sep 13, 2011
Reelect barton Harris.
#4 Sep 19, 2011
Mr Harris is the one who pushed to alcohol ordinance that passed. They cut the churches completely out when it comes to the distance you can sell alcohol so Brocks could put liquor in. Then Brock decided he wanted to put in a sports bar not just serve alchol and made them all look bad.
Vote for somebody else!!
#5 Sep 19, 2011
The city needs to grow and let mom and POP stop running the the show. Wal mart would have been hear if that type of back door deals would have stopped years ago. Vote Barton Harris .
#6 Sep 19, 2011
NEVER was about LIQUOR, just the same thing as you can purchase at your food store or any gas station you buy gas at. As far as Brocks, he just wanted to be in the spot lite and wound up making himself and Trenton look stupid which is pretty normal. But that's ok because Logans is opening up TODAY!!!!!!!!!! Hope to see ya there!!!!!!!!!!
#7 Sep 19, 2011
. ReElect Barton Harris mayor of trenton. We need him if our small city is ever going to grow... Cannon on the other hand has spent way to much on the civic center we didn't realy need and is never at the city meetings ? And I don't know why... RE-ELECT MAYOR HARRIS A GREAT LEADER AND A MAYOR.
#8 Sep 21, 2011
Barton Harris has made a mess out of city hall. They do not have a budget, and can't even give an accurate financial report. The city is broke! Barton is a good man, but is in deep over his head. He simply doesn't have the experience or knowledge of how to serve in the position that he is in. Either one on the other options would be a huge improvement!
#9 Sep 21, 2011
Are you saying that Logan's would build in Trenton if we allowed liquor sales? Surely you realize that Trenton does not have the population requirements and demographics for a chain restaurant like Logan's to build.
#10 Sep 21, 2011
Not at all... I am saying that you have to have things in place to be able to attract business. I have worked on demographics for Trenton-Dade County and have spoke to different chain resturants. But keep in mind that its not just Lookout Valley that is involved. If it were just Trenton demographics, we wouldn't even got the McDonalds that they had to lie about buying land to locate here. It (alcohol sales in resturants)could have been handled different I agree, but we must have vision or lose all chance of revenue for the City and County. And NO the answer isn't JUST Beer and Wine Sales in Resturants. But mark my words that Lookout Valley will add more Resturants......
#11 Sep 26, 2011
Both Harris and Cannon need to be gone!
#12 Sep 26, 2011
I am not clear on what you are saying here. When I say demographics, I am talking about the numbers within a 15 mile radius of Trenton. If there aren't a minimum of 100,000 people within 15 miles of a city, most major chain restaurants won't build. Trust me, I know what I am talking about. Trenton is not set up for a Logan's or any other such restaurant. Call me a pessimist if you want to, but I am a realist. It would be great, but it ain't going to happen. We did not "miss out" on Logan's. They would never have built here anyway. As much as I am opposed to several of our city leaders, that is not their fault. I am just thankful that I can drive a few miles and eat there.
The answer to more revenue in Trenton is less expenditures. We are spending more than we bring in. Trenton is a small town. There is nothing wrong with that. Many people live here because they like it that way. If someone wants to live in a thriving metropolis, then they can move to Chattanooga. What is wrong with just being a small town? It is one of the reasons that I moved my family here.
#13 Sep 26, 2011
Yes, I fully understand demographics, and Yes I understand that "Logan's" would not have the numbers as of now. But most folks thought Ft. Payne would never have them either and look at them. You have to have growth but you have to have a plan in place to be able to grow. If you look I NEVER said that Trenton would get a Logans but another Resturant like Canyon Grill where they draw from other places than Dade County would be nice. It's hard to draw any revenue from second hand clothing stores and flea markets. We tell folks to "Shop Local" but offer very little for them to shop for. Most business (Revenue) left years ago to shop in Chatt. so that is why we are left with run down, over-used, never maintained spaces to rent out. What I am saying is for ever Logan's built across that line will cost this county in revenue if we have nothing more to offer against it. Funny how that 15 mile radius will get you both Chatt. and Ft. Payne almost and that's where the revenue is....
As far as revenue, you have to be able to have growth in this area. It's a national debate right now for the whole country. Local, State and Federal, and cutting while it will help is not the answer. Cutting will get into services that taxpayers need.
#14 Sep 26, 2011
Most folks didn't think we had the numbers to attract other Fast Food Resturants but as you can tell we have enough numbers for them and how many grocery stores? THREE?
My point is not so much the name of the Resturant but what attracts folks to eat at one over another. Being able to offer Beer and Wine with a meal is not unheard of no matter what your demographic numbers are.
It would be nice to drive south to Trenton for a Steak but for now, it will be north to Lookout Valley and maybe someday you will be able to order a good Steak in Trenton... With a glass of beer or wine if that's what you want......
#15 Sep 27, 2011
But here are the numbers anyway....
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Our team searches the country for the best restaurant sites. We strive to select sites where Logan's Roadhouse will be valued by bringing to communities a place where guests will feel comfortable, enjoy high-quality steaks, and a kickin', upbeat atmosphere, all at a great price.
Logan's believes in selecting quality restaurant sites in metropolitan markets with attractive demographics. We also select sites in smaller markets where the appeal of the Logan's concept, together with fewer competing casual-dining restaurants, provides an attractive opportunity for Logan's. Currently Logan's owns and operates over 180 company-operated and 26 franchised restaurants in 23 states. Click here for our full list of locations.
Acreage: 1.3 ac to 1.5+ ac
Building: 6,500 sq. ft. to 7,200 sq. ft.
Parking: approx. 100 to 120
Signage: Exterior neon,
Traffic Counts: In excess of 30,000 VPD
Trade Area Attributes
Visible to or within one half mile of interstate or other major carrier of regional traffic. In or around regional life style center, power center, regional mall, hotels, offices, developed or newly developing center of activity.
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Big Box Users (Target, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Kohl's, JC Penney, etc.)
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Logan's strategy is to build sales volumes by appealing to a wide segment of the population, including both traditional casual-dining guests and the value-driven guest (because our menu includes many items at lower prices).
#16 Sep 27, 2011
My argument is that it is obvious that you can't put a square peg in a round hole. Rather than getting frustrated because a community (the people) reject a certain type of growth, find out what the round peg is that will be the right fit.
When I look at Trenton, I see a lot of possibilities for healthy growth. With the mountains, hangliding, Cloudland Canyon, Caves and etc., it seems to me that this area could be marketed as a hotspot for outdoor adventure.
If you want to see the best model for a place like Trenton, drive to Blue Ridge, GA, Bryson City, NC or Elijay, GA. All of these towns have created a unique mixture of arts, crafts, outdoor activities, rental cabins and etc. Those small town attract thousands of visitors who bring lots of money with them, while maintaining that small town feel that is actually in itself what draws the people to them.
I think we are obviously spinning our wheels in trying to turn Trenton into a Ft. Payne. Going back to demographics, Trenton is not in the same demographics as Ft. Payne. It is a waste of time to look at Ft. Payne, Scottsboro, Ft. Oglethorpe and etc as our models. We need to look at the type of towns that I mentioned above. It is my opinion that type of plan would work, and work well for Trenton and Dade County.
#17 Sep 27, 2011
Well there you have it GROVER, this conversation has went full circle.
Trenton had a Mayor who had the same vision as you and I. Yes, myself along with some hard working people worked on the Slogan of "Trenton, Your City For Family Living"... Some of us even went to classes (we paid for) just to get educated on ways to make that happen. But having been there and done that, there is a major problem with our vision. Too many folks with different adgenda's working against each other.
I have traveled and re-searched alot of towns that have made small towns attractive. But they had the demographics to support the same idea and work towards it. Here in this City and County we just can't make ourselves buy into that model. Hangliders were of the Devil (check past history) and them nasty cavers, and we really don't even appreciate our State Park. I'm just saying this because I have seen it with my own eyes. 3 yeas on Chamber and 4 with the DDA........
Let me say that I never wanted this County or City to be like Ft. "O" or Ft. "P" or any other City. But when we can't agree that a Resturant should have the same rights and any other business (we have closed our minds).
I have said all along that there are alot of fine people in this County, most are over-worked and under-appreciated. But there are far more who have closed their minds and don't want any change and we are left with run down (Some want to call them historic) buildings with no chance of bringing in any business to.
Like I said in my opening post. I am NOT a City Resident and no longer a Business Owner there, but would still like to see the City prosper with the finer growth it really needs.
Oh and by the way, I still have a few friends who would like someone to be able to help make "Our Vision" a reality... Do you have the time??????? lol...lol... That leads us to this back to the topic! If you want someone who can lead the City back to when it had a reserve and a vision... The Choice is very clear.....
#18 Nov 11, 2011
I guess that Mr. Barton Haris found out the power of the church vote on the alcohol issue.
They tried to pull a fast one on the residents and totally ignored the church people. At least some of the commission did.
There's another commissioner or two who also need to go come next election!
When will they learn?
#19 Nov 15, 2011
So you are Saying that the Church vote elected the new Mayor? Are you Saying that only the Church vote is what matters? Are you Saying that Small minded folks have to have only one issue to vote on to decide the leadership of Trenton?
309 voters out of over 1600 voters really didn't seem to send a message to me... Just Saying.....
#20 Nov 15, 2011
If that was the case Lowery would have taken all the votes. That was the platform he had. Ignorant or not, he said he would repeal the ordinance. Barton got more votes then him. Emanuel said the matter didn't need to be readdressed. So saying what does that say? Emanuel is not going to repeal it. I guess saying is saying their is at the most 309 Trenton voters that go to church and were sending a message. I guess the 89 that voted for Harris must be Methodist cause they will say hi to you at the liquor store in Tiftonia. Such ignorance I am out of here.
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