Can we fix Laguna Niguel AYSO Region 41
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Be warry

Tarzana, CA

#182 Feb 12, 2009
I applaud LNYSA for building what appears to be a succesfull alternative to AYSO Region 41 in Laguna Niguel. However, the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.
The 5 AYSO philosophies (Everyone Plays, Balanced Teams, Open Registration, Positive Coaching, Good Sportsmanship) are what sets AYSO apart. I have personally seen other youth soccer organizations try and implement them, only to change one or more when it sees fit.
For example, LNYSA states on their website "Team balancing will be done in an improved manner to allow for greater competition across divisions. No one wants to see teams have all the wins! And especially all the losses!" While this is great, I urge the LNYSA board to remember this, and not allow coaching "player freezes" to dominate. I have seen organizations allow multiple players be frozen season after season, ostensibly to allow "kids to play with their friends". What it creates is a 2-tier system where the kids who have skill stay together and everybody else gets "balanced" between the other teams.

Newport Beach, CA

#183 Feb 18, 2009
Yes I agree and there are those coaches(I think the majority) agree with you also.

Another train wreck I see coming is multiple signature teams per division. This is pulling down the rec divisions while satisfying a few egos,

If the plan to carry 2 GU14 and 2 GU13 signature teams carries, there is the scenario of 4-5 rec teams and 4 signature teams in GU14 for fall.

It doesn't make sense to me....

San Clemente, CA

#184 Mar 26, 2009
The Beautiful Game wrote:
Ryan Patch has joined the board of AYSO, he was the coach for GU14 plus team. It will be interesting to see if he keeps his team together in the Rec league as most of them will be to old for PLUS. We will see if Jodi Miller is up to the task as she is the team balencer, of course that is if there enough players left in AYSO Reg 41. I predict that come Fall the majority of kids will be playing for Laguna Niguel Youth Soccer Association.
I checked facts dont lie Great job done in researching this, now the records striaght.
- ryan patch is an as...shole.
LN Parent

Laguna Niguel, CA

#185 May 26, 2010
Shin Guard wrote:
Part II
There are two other key points for discussion.
3. Due process for "fired" or "dismissed" board memmbers. At an emergency board meeting in Feb. and after several long term volunteers were fired the board asked that a new guideline be put in place that would ask that any removal of a board member should be presented to the board for approval or discussion. Again, the majority of the board voted to have this guideline put in place so that, board members could not be fired at the whim of a disgruntled board member. This again is being denied by the current RC. Each of the members of the board that are being fired have asked for a due process hearing in which they can ask why they were fired and have an inpartial representative to hear their case. On each of the fired board members their due process has been denied. The majority of board members feel threatened that their position on the board is threatened if they disagree with the current RC. This type of management style goes against the fundamentals of any board. A board is created to have a group of individuals vote on issues and have an open discussion on region issues. What type of management style is the RC creating.
4. Many of the board members have received an email from the RC stating, "thank you for your service to AYSO, please let me know what projects you are working on so that, I can transition them to the next (whatever board position). This email was sent out to about 10-15 board members after a meeting with the Area Director. The board members also have had their privledges removed from the National eAYSO database. This database allows the board members to do their board tasks...whether it is coaching admin, ref admin, Safe Haven volunteer back ground checks. The Area Director at the last meeting said he would not remove the current RC and that the board was ganging up on him and that we are a bunch of "terrorists".
What does this mean for you???? Currently, coach classes have been canceled because the Regional Coach Administrator has been fired. So no coach classes means that coaches can't get their certificates to coach at whatever level they need to coach at. Safe Haven classes have been canceled. No one is currently doing volunteer background checks on the volunteers. No one is monitoring Safe Haven practices. Are your kids safe? Who is minding the store???
The current scheduler for Region 41 has also been fired. What does that mean for you??? No one will be working on practice field schedules for the fall. Probably it will be done last minute by someone at the Area level. We saw this spring how badly Area scheduled fields. Do you remember having games during your childs spring break? You can thank Area management for that. Who will get priority of the fields in the fall? Will Area understand how to schedule coaches who have multiple teams? Currently our scheduler tries his best to make sure that the field usage works to the advantage of all teams and coaches and works with coaches and teams to work out conflicts before schedules get posted. I can assure you that Area will not be cooperative like that.
It's interesting to say the least that Shin Guard, Volunteer, etc. do not want others to see their names...typical of Laguna Niguel parents that try to sway things their way...this new league called LNYSA is a joke! Daddy controlled if you know what I mean. If you want your kids to be judged on merit DON'T allow them to play in this league!
Agree with LN Parent

United States

#186 Jul 6, 2010
LNYSA is AYSO version 2.0. Same politics just different clowns running the league.
The Real Deal

Laguna Niguel, CA

#187 Oct 2, 2010
AYSO is full of a bunch of ****ers that don't give a shit about the kids. LN Parent is just another sucker who is stuck with AYSO, how is AYSO going? As good as LNYSA right?
Trouble in youth sports

Anaheim, CA

#188 Oct 2, 2010
Don't know anything about AYSO. My kids have only played in LNYSA so can only speak about how awful LNYSA is. Had a difficult time getting information and it seems that there is politics behind the scenes on certain things. I have been disappointed and am moving my kids to a different sport. Would not encourage anyone to play for LNYSA unless you sit on the board or are a coach. Otherwise your children will be left behind. Although, I am sure most local sport organziations are run with the same politics.

Irvine, CA

#189 Jan 7, 2011
"Old AYSO Volunteer" Is just that. Old and uninformed. Paul Levey did not "fire" any board members.
The AYSO National Organization came in and "disbanded" the board members that did not want to abide by AYSO's National Guidelines. Laguna NIguel's chapter of AYSO is one of 10 cities in the AYSO Area structure. These 10 cities comprise 22,000 players, in about 1000 teams that play each other.
One of AYSO's hallmarks is to provide balanced teams. National AYSO Rules forbid "coaches selecting teams". The board that was dismissed had been secretly doing this until Mr. Levey's tenure. When Mr. Levey reintroduced team balancing, the defection began. Because starting a new League is so difficult, the previous Regional Commissioner, Tim Guesman and defectors pilfered the AYSO database, started a smear campaign (this article is testament) and directly recruited all existing AYSO players, coaches and parents in Laguna Niguel to NOT join AYSO but join the new league.
Their successful recruiting method was to contact every AYSO coach and offer them the opportunity to select their own players! I've never know a coach that didn't want to win and I've never known a coach that didn't secretly WANT to select his/her own players.
This was how and why the new league, LNYSA, was started.
But the new league didn't have anyone to play, except themselves. So they had to join a professional (club) league to get "gaming". So, technically, LNYSA is a Club League, gaming in a group of Orange County Club Associations. They have enough teams to play each other in the younger divisions, but they have no National Association of Referee or Coach Affiliations for training.
When gaming in the circuit, professional referees are paid.(Coaches are, too.) To coach upper division teams (U12 and higher) SoCal Gaming Circuit requires USSF Coaching licenses. Therefore LNYSA doesn't have any National Association with qualified coach or referee training. Trained and certified USSF Referees and Coaches are required to game in the circuit.
LNYSA was started by the former AYSO Coach Administrator, John Wallwork, and funded by a wealthy Assistant Coach Commissioner, Mark Thacker.( ) Visit their board. Aside from the Registrar and Referee Administrator, everyone is a coach... and guess what... they all pick their own players!
LNYSA is a good league. The coaches for the most part are qualified, likable and good representatives of Laguna NIguel. But unlike AYSO, no one is required to volunteer. Requiring AYSO parents to volunteer is the pool from which all coaches, referees, and more importantly, board members, are recruited. AYSO board members usually serve for two or three years. By then their players have aged out and their interests are moving away from youth soccer. AYSO Coaches and Referees that want to continue in soccer, normally become USSF Certified or CIF/NCAA certified coaches and referees and continue in a "professional" manner.
LNYSA is entering their fourth year now and the same board members are listed. Personally knowing many of these folks, I know their players are aging out, too. So what keeps these board members "volunteering"? Profit?

United States

#190 May 9, 2011
Passionate Coach-Player

Laguna Beach, CA

#191 Jun 30, 2012
So my son is going on his third year in LNYSA and this will be my third year coaching. I really see nothing wrong with the program at the 3-6 year old range. As far as kids being able to play with their friends I feel that is important. Playing soccer my whole life from age 5 it really means a lot to have your friends on your team at any age. I know it is very important factor for my son. With our U6 teams, we had 10 players split into two different teams that would play another team who split their team up into two teams of five. We would do our best as coaches to balance those two teams so they were of equal strength. Perhaps it is easier at this age since the kids do not really care that much about the final score once they get their snacks. My son is ready for the next activity that he usually requests to be with one of his soccer buddies.
Perhaps my experience with this league has been better that others since I love soccer so much and I have gotten to know a lot of the coaches and board members by playing with most of them on a weekly and sometimes two or three times a week basis. I believe that by having such a structure where those who give more have a greater say how things are run lead to a much more passionate environment about the sport and lend to creating a culture where our kids are given the foundation to be able to attain the highest levels of this sport if they so desire. AYSO has its place but it is like most organizations that are created to broadly serve the masses in that it lacks room for innovation. It is one thing to get "exposed" to a sport and just have some fun running around kicking a ball. I feel here in at the LNYSA we are building something special for those soccer players and their families that want to become part of a community dedicated to sharing their passion for this sport. This organization is AYSO taken to the next level and with anything new it will have its growing pains. However I firmly believe that what we create here will begin to spread and take over AYSO as it should as u.s. soccer culture grows and integrates with the ever evolving world sport.

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