Police: City man had dozens of guns

A Mt. Carmel Street man who kept close to 40 guns, more than a dozen bayonets and a live grenade in his house is free on personal recognizance bail after his arraignment Tuesday. Full Story
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doug

Farmingdale, NJ

#22 Oct 29, 2007
How about the fact that he was undergoing mental problems? Oh shucks....let him keep 'em....then when he kills someone...."THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING"..........It is not the average law abiding person who brings these issues to the forefront. It is the whacko or criminal who makes the average citizen jump through hoops to get a license..........
HerrBGone

Lunenburg, MA

#23 Oct 29, 2007
Doug, anyone can call the police and say that anyone else needs to be checked for mental problems. For example: I could call up Dunstable PD and suggest that you have mental problems - never having even met you. Should that be enough for them to confiscate your property and destroy it without due process? No! Absolutely not! The Forth Amendment is very specific as to when the government (in this case the police) can confiscate a citizen’s property. Some random person’s un-sworn request that someone be checked for mental problems does not meet the constitutional test. Another part of the Bill of Rights states that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He hasn't been convicted of anything, at least not yet. The theft and destruction of a citizen’s property simply because someone, possibly for malicious reasons, makes a phone call is unconscionable! Not to mention unconstitutional.

Also, may I point out that it is the politicians who are afraid of the self reliant citizen who make us jump through hoops and beg for permission to exercise our Constitutional Rights?
Former Fitchburg Resident

Damariscotta, ME

#24 Oct 29, 2007
For starters...I am sorry Mr. B-Gone, but having lived 7 years in Fitchburg, and also being A FITCHBURG NATIVE, I don't need someone from New York State telling me what is right/wrong in Massachusetts, or for that matter Fitchburg either.
Also, if you had noticed the information about the hand grenade in the article you would have read the following quote
"Though the grenades were bored out at the bottom, Young knew they could still be dangerous, he wrote."
"I had knowledge from my military training that sometimes the grenade is bored out but the TNT charge in the top remained," Young wrote.
That from the arresting/investingating author.
As for the Bill of Rights, it did NOT however make it legal for VIGILANTE GROUPS. Your writings are smack full of that. Problem is that in places like IRAQ and IRAN, we have such problems with VIGILANTE groups. Sure they uphold the law, then they kill those who don't agree, or pray the way they do.
As for the Bill of Rights Note the following
Fifth Amendment – Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and other rights of the accused.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
Unfortunately folks like you who want to own 40 guns, bayonets, and handgrenades, usually try to keep those amendments from being followed and, usually forget that they are there...
Then you blame the liberal judges. Memory serves me right...if a majority brings them to power, then it's your problem. Seems funny though...since Bush has been president...crime has soared upward!!!
Also, it would seem from your writing, you are a member of the NRA. Simply put is this...the NRA and their willness to bend and contort the Bill of Rights to their ideas, it doesn't surprise anyone that someone would be found with such weaponry and ammunition, not to mention the hand grenade. There was a time (and I happen to remember when I was 11 or 12) when you went to a Sportman's club, and you took a NRA Safety Course, and learned about target shooting. While there was some people who learned about other weapons (I remember some guy who had a German Luger was there), but it wasn't bent on this idea that having ASSAULT RIFLES was a necessary need.
We didn't have those problems in Fitchburg in the 1970s, nor did we have to worry about people coming into this country illegally either selling drugs, and having such fire power......that they ILLEGALLY bought or STOLE from people who ILLEGALLY had such fire power.
Now I don't have to be hit from a .50 Caliber Weapon or have my hand blown off by a hand grenade to realize that such things ARE NOT NECESSARY to have in society. You people say that If we ban all guns they will end up in the wrong hands...why is it that we ALLOW the ownership of ASSAULT RIFLES and yet they wind up in the WRONG HANDS????
Just this weekend, we had a shooting in Saco, ME where two Vietnamese individuals decided to shoot it out with Assualt Rifles in front of a Sports Center full of High School Kids. Little wonder that only one got killed (by shooting himself after cops surrounded him with his AK-47!).
Also giving me the industry data that you have given, is just another NRA ploy. I remember the son of gunsmith from Fitchburg telling me how they could make Automatic Weapons real easy with a few tools from someone's garage. In short is this. It has nothing to do about law abiding Sportmen, it has to do with the idea that Assualt Rifles, and explosives are ACCEPTABLE in the neighborhood? As a person from New York, you'd think that after 9/11 you'd have more brains than that. That is why I am glad I don't live in New York!

Crawl back under that rock you live under and STAY THERE! But you won't....So do Massachusetts a favor....STAY HOME......they have enough of you...and the cops need a break!!!!!!!
HerrBGone

Corning, NY

#25 Oct 30, 2007
With a four thousand word limit on our comments and more than ten thousand words to post, I am going to have to post this in sections.

Part 1:

“For starters...I am sorry Mr. B-Gone, but having lived 7 years in Fitchburg, and also being A FITCHBURG NATIVE, I don't need someone from New York State telling me what is right/wrong in Massachusetts, or for that matter Fitchburg either.”

Having lived in North Central Massachusetts for the past twenty-three (23) years I think I have a fair grasp of local conditions. How long have you been living in Nobleboro, Maine, redbaron? Oh man! That’s only a few towns over from Waldoboro! I’m looking at a piece of land there!

“Also, if you had noticed the information about the hand grenade in the article you would have read the following quote "Though the grenades were bored out at the bottom, Young knew they could still be dangerous, he wrote." "I had knowledge from my military training that sometimes the grenade is bored out but the TNT charge in the top remained," Young wrote. That from the arresting/investingating author.”

The primer charge – possibly an inert primer – is all that was left in the grenade. It was deactivated and not a danger, regardless of any claim to the contrary.

BTW:“Arresting author”?!?

“As for the Bill of Rights, it did NOT however make it legal for VIGILANTE GROUPS.“

‘scuse me? You’ve lost me here. Who mentioned vigilante groups?

“Your writings are smack full of that. Problem is that in places like IRAQ and IRAN, we have such problems with VIGILANTE groups.“

Um, redbaron, the problem in Iraq is with “insurgents” not vigilantes.

“Sure they uphold the law, then they kill those who don't agree, or pray the way they do.”

The insurgents of the vigilantes?
HerrBGone

Corning, NY

#26 Oct 30, 2007
Part 2: The Bill of Rights

“As for the Bill of Rights Note the following
Fifth Amendment – Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property.”

Let’s stay with this one for a moment. Here’s the full text:

“Amendment V

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.“

Not this part which is particularly germane to our discussion here:

“… nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

A. Where is the due process of law in the theft and destruction of Mr. Ingel’s private property?
B. Was or will he be compensated for his property, some of which has been deliberately destroyed by the government?

Continue…

“Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and other rights of the accused.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
Unfortunately folks like you who want to own 40 guns, bayonets, and handgrenades, usually try to keep those amendments from being followed and, usually forget that they are there...”

Gun grabbers frequently ignore the Fourth Amendment (which I note that you have omitted here…) which reads as follows:

“Amendment IV

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

A phone call to the police from a random person (the individual is not named in the newspaper story) alleging that someone in the house may have “mental problems” does not meet the Constitutional test for the seizure of personal property as set forth in the Forth Amendment.
HerrBGone

Corning, NY

#27 Oct 30, 2007
Part 3: Crime control

“Then you blame the liberal judges.”

The problem with liberal judges is their tendency to play catch and release with violent criminals! Being lenient with drug dealers, rapists and muggers begets more of the same.

“Memory serves me right...if a majority brings them to power, then it's your problem.”

This is a Constitutional Republic – not a Direct Democracy. In the Constitution there are provisions for the removal of bad judges, as well as bad politicians.
“Seems funny though...since Bush has been president...crime has soared upward!!!”

Everywhere that shall issue canceled carry has been implemented crime has gone down. In places like Washington DC where the population has been disarmed for decades you would expect us to believe there can’t be any crime. After all, handguns are outlawed and long guns can’t be in a usable condition. Yet crime has gone through the roof. Where would you rather live? Somewhere that the criminals have free reign or somewhere you are allowed to fight back? I know where I would chose!

“Also, it would seem from your writing, you are a member of the NRA.”

I joined five weeks ago after talking with a group of people who think (I use the term loosely) like you. I decided that with so many of them around it was time to step up to the plate and do my part to save the Republic.

“Simply put is this...the NRA and their willness to bend and contort the Bill of Rights to their ideas,”

You mean like this?

“To summarize, we conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right existed prior to the formation of the new government under the Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the depredations of a tyrannical government (or a threat from abroad). In addition, the right to keep and bear arms had the important and salutary civic purpose of helping to preserve the citizen militia. The civic purpose was also a political expedient for the Federalists in the First Congress as it served, in part, to placate their Antifederalist opponents. The individual right facilitated militia service by ensuring that citizens would not be barred from keeping the arms they would need when called forth for militia duty. Despite the importance of the Second Amendment's civic purpose, however, the activities it protects are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual's enjoyment of the right contingent upon his or her continued or intermittent enrollment in the militia.”

The preceding paragraph is taken verbatim from page 46 of the summary of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling on the case Parker vs. The District of Columbia. The Federal Appeals Court Judge who wrote this is not, to my knowledge, a member of the NRA.

What I’m hearing in your words is a lot of Brady Bunch propaganda.

“it doesn't surprise anyone that someone would be found with such weaponry and ammunition, not to mention the hand grenade.”

“… such weaponry …” Are you privy to the inventory of weapons stolen by the police? Do tell! I’d like to see the list.
HerrBGone

Corning, NY

#28 Oct 30, 2007
Part 4: Gun control (cont.)

“There was a time (and I happen to remember when I was 11 or 12) when you went to a Sportman's club, and you took a NRA Safety Course,”

A who safety course? Go on…

“and learned about target shooting.”

I love target shooting! In fact, I was down at the range just the other day.

“While there was some people who learned about other weapons (I remember some guy who had a German Luger was there), but it wasn't bent on this idea that having ASSAULT RIFLES was a necessary need.”

The Second Amendment does not protect sporting goods. It guarantees We the People the right to keep and bear arms. More to the point: military weapons such as could be used if called to service in the citizen’s militia. Take another look at the paragraph quoted above from the Parker ruling.

“We didn't have those problems in Fitchburg in the 1970s, nor did we have to worry about people coming into this country illegally either selling drugs, and having such fire power......that they ILLEGALLY bought or STOLE from people who ILLEGALLY had such fire power.”

I’m open to suggestions for how to solve this problem as well. Disarming those of us who are both law abiding and citizens, however, is not the answer!

“Now I don't have to be hit from a .50 Caliber Weapon or have my hand blown off by a hand grenade to realize that such things ARE NOT NECESSARY to have in society.”

Again, see the Parker ruling cited above.
“You people say that If we ban all guns they will end up in the wrong hands...”

Since criminals don’t obey the law anyway, what makes you think they would obey a law outlawing guns? Convicted felons are already prohibited from owning guns! Using a gun in the commission of a crime is already against the law. Just how illegal does it need to be? Get real!

“why is it that we ALLOW the ownership of ASSAULT RIFLES and yet they wind up in the WRONG HANDS????”

That’s why even the NRA supports background checks.

“Just this weekend, we had a shooting in Saco, ME where two Vietnamese individuals decided to shoot it out with Assualt Rifles in front of a Sports Center full of High School Kids. Little wonder that only one got killed (by shooting himself after cops surrounded him with his AK-47!).”

If it really was a full-auto AK-47 and he didn’t have a class III permit and the $200- tax stamp then he was breaking the law simply by possessing the weapon. What would you suggest? That we make it even more illegaler?

“Also giving me the industry data that you have given, is just another NRA ploy. I remember the son of gunsmith from Fitchburg telling me how they could make Automatic Weapons real easy with a few tools from someone's garage.“

The son of the gunsmith? Not the gunsmith himself? Would you accept medical advice from the son of a doctor? Maybe you might want to check with someone who is a gunsmith himself. Just a suggestion…

“In short is this. It has nothing to do about law abiding Sportmen, it has to do with the idea that Assualt Rifles, and explosives are ACCEPTABLE in the neighborhood? As a person from New York, you'd think that after 9/11 you'd have more brains than that.”

As I’ve already made clear: I’m not from New York.

“That is why I am glad I don't live in New York!”

Me too!

“Crawl back under that rock you live under and STAY THERE! But you won't....So do Massachusetts a favor....STAY HOME......they have enough of you...and the cops need a break!!!!!!!”

I’m looking to move out of this Socialist Workers Paradise and immigrate to a free state in the United States. Maybe just up the road from you! Since you are so afraid of people who are actually able to exercise their Constitutional Right to among other things poses proper tools with which to defend themselves, perhaps you should consider moving back to Massachusetts. Trust me! You’ll love it here! Most of your unconstitutional gun-grabbing laws are already in place!
Former Fitchburg Resident

Damariscotta, ME

#29 Oct 30, 2007
For starters HerrBGone, your hiding behind the Bill of Rights to own guns gave me reason to push the other amendments. People who tend to own 40 guns, dozens of bayonets, and hand grenades, have a tendancy to try to uphold the law. Thus the vigilante claim.

However what is more warped, is that you have been asked several times about the fact that the guy has had reports of Mental Health problems. Obviously what happened at Virginia Tech didn't get through to you...so what's next??

Also what is the man holding all the explosives for?

Sorry Mr. B-Gone...you lose again. So, So, sorry you didn't get enough characters in your message...

Again.....S.I.N.Y (Stay In New York). If you want to collect explosives and and machetes, and bayonets, may you do so...Big Brother is watching you!
HerrBGone wrote:
With a four thousand word limit on our comments and more than ten thousand words to post, I am going to have to post this in sections.
Part 1:
“For starters...I am sorry Mr. B-Gone, but having lived 7 years in Fitchburg, and also being A FITCHBURG NATIVE, I don't need someone from New York State telling me what is right/wrong in Massachusetts, or for that matter Fitchburg either.”
Having lived in North Central Massachusetts for the past twenty-three (23) years I think I have a fair grasp of local conditions. How long have you been living in Nobleboro, Maine, redbaron? Oh man! That’s only a few towns over from Waldoboro! I’m looking at a piece of land there!
“Also, if you had noticed the information about the hand grenade in the article you would have read the following quote "Though the grenades were bored out at the bottom, Young knew they could still be dangerous, he wrote." "I had knowledge from my military training that sometimes the grenade is bored out but the TNT charge in the top remained," Young wrote. That from the arresting/investingating author.”
The primer charge – possibly an inert primer – is all that was left in the grenade. It was deactivated and not a danger, regardless of any claim to the contrary.
BTW:“Arresting author”?!?
“As for the Bill of Rights, it did NOT however make it legal for VIGILANTE GROUPS.“
‘scuse me? You’ve lost me here. Who mentioned vigilante groups?
“Your writings are smack full of that. Problem is that in places like IRAQ and IRAN, we have such problems with VIGILANTE groups.“
Um, redbaron, the problem in Iraq is with “insurgents” not vigilantes.
“Sure they uphold the law, then they kill those who don't agree, or pray the way they do.”
The insurgents of the vigilantes?
HerrBGone

Lunenburg, MA

#30 Oct 30, 2007
What part of “I’m not in New York” are you not getting? From your posts it would appear that you lived in Fitchburg until you were seven.“Being a Fitchburg native” plus “lived there for seven years” equals you were still wet behind the ears when your parents moved and dragged you along with them. How old are you now and how long have you lived in Maine? I live one town over from Fitchburg and I’m in Massachusetts right now. The company I work for has assets in New York, hence the IP address tracking back there when I post from work. Even if I was from Montana the points I am making would still be as valid throughout this nation.

Why do you have a problem with people “upholding the law”? Enforcing the law on others might be a problem and could in some circumstances be called vigilantism. But upholding the law is actually something most gun owners do as a matter of course. Perhaps you should take this as you homework assignment: look up and learn the difference between upholding and enforcing the law. You can find several very good dictionaries on-line. Google is your friend.

Since we have not quoted it yet, here is the full text of the Second Amendment:

“Amendment II

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

As stated by the Federal Appeals Court Judge writing in the Parker decision, as I quoted in my previous post:“To summarize, we conclude that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms.”

So tell me, redbaron, what part of “shall not be infringed” do you not get. Or don’t you actually read the posts you are commenting on as it would seem from your inability to grasp that I am not from New York? Not that I care where you think I’m from…

I am not hiding behind the Constitution. I am celebrating the Constitution. I do not see any limit to the number or type of guns, or other arms for that matter, that I am allowed to own contained therein. Do you? If you do please explain it to the rest of the class.

Mr. Ingel did not have explosives. He had a deactivated grenade as a souvenir and some reloading supplies. None of those things are illegal to poses given that he had an FID card.

As to his – or anyone else in the house’s mental state, there is far too little information presented in the newspaper story to form a valid opinion. The story does not state the outcome of that investigation. All the story does say on the matter is that someone not identified in the story called the police to have them go to the house for a mental evaluation. The report doesn’t even say who was to be evaluated! You assume that it must have been the man who was arrested. But if you will go back and reread the story it does not specifically state the target of the original investigation. What happened is that once the police were let in they looked around and arrested this gentleman for things that would not have been on the search warrant had there been one. Thus they would be inadmissible as evidence in court. Had there been a warrant.

What we can all learn from this is this:

Don’t trust the police and never let them in your home or automobile without first obtaining a warrant. Ever. For any reason.

Keep this thought in mind:

“Hi. We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.”

And remember how much they helped Mr. Ingel.
Former Fitchburg Resident

Damariscotta, ME

#31 Oct 31, 2007
THE END OF THE STORY (However HerrBGone will write another book...)

First, while you gave another dissertation of the Bill of Rights, it yet again comes out to a bunch of gobblydgook. In short, if you have use some MUCH space to rationalize someone owning over 20 rifles, about 10 handguns, dozen of bayonets, a machete and a few handgrenades, then there is really no hope for you, or for that much society (but considering the level of dissenting decision on this, at least they had more of an intelligent, yet brief view what the problems were with Mr. Ingel.)

Secondly, with situations like Columbine and Virginia Tech well ingrained in the minds of people, not to mention the situation of a parent in Pennsylvania who bought her son just as many weapons (a teenager..), there IS an extreme problem with your ideas of what is right and what is wrong.

Thirdly, yes there are Police Officers that are LESS than ethical about doing their job. Fitchburg is NO more better than anywhere else, after all their rank and file officers voted the Chief out. However, they are sworn to law enforcement whether you like it or not. Your last post (#29) ended with the "And remember how much the helped Mr. Ingel." Considering that there was report of Mental Issues, is ENOUGH for anyone. If you can't understand that..then there is no hope for you. If we have to wait for Mr. Ingel to kill someone, then you'd be writing that "those cops did nothing.."

Don’t trust the police and never let them in your home or automobile without first obtaining a warrant. Ever. For any reason. Gee HerrBGone...are we showing our Anti-Government Colors???

Oh yes, NO DUH, Don't let cops do searches without warrants. If they press the matter, that is why there is an Attorney General/D.A.'s office.
Regardless of party affiliation...they are there for all.

In short HerrBGone, enough with the diatribe. It is folks like you who gripe and complain about government intervention, gripe about taxes and want to overthrow government. One nation, under your rules...hardly freedom and liberty for all.

END OF STORY.......END OF STATEMENT!
HerrBGone

United States

#32 Oct 31, 2007
Funny, I don’t see any specifics in your last post, redbaron, that detail just where in the Constitution you find this limit to the number of guns a citizen is allowed to own. I did ask for details. Instead you give us another post full of feelings and fear mongering.

Whatever.

OK, you’ve brought up Virginia Tech a couple of times now as well as Columbine. Let’s take a brief look at those, shall we?

Both Columbine High School and Virginia Tech were proclaimed “Gun Free Zones” by those in charge. Did having a sign stating that they were Gun Free Zones prevent Harris, Klebold or Cho bringing a gun on campus?

I can just imagine the scene:

Any of the above get to the edge of the campus where they are planning to commit their murderous rampage and are confronted by the sign.

THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE.

They think to themselves “Self, this is a Gun Free Zone. I could get in trouble if I bring my gun there. Maybe I should reconsider and not commit my murderous rampage after all. They might realize I used a gun and prosecute me for it.”

You betcha! I can see that happening! Sure…

Here’s a better idea:

If we allow school staff and collage students who have gone through the background checks and had the training and have qualified for and proved themselves responsible enough to have been issued a concealed carry permit that allows them to carry anywhere else they may be, to have their defensive arms with them at school, just maybe they would be able to stop someone like Cho or Harris or Klebold before they can kill in Cho’s case thirty-two (32) people AFTER THE POLICE WERE ALREADY ON CAMPUS!. In Israel today all of the staff at all of the schools are REQUIRED to be armed at all times while on campus.

Do you know how many Columbine style school shootings there have been since this policy went into effect?

Zero.

How many people have been injured by the staff’s firearms being mishandled?

Zero.

GUN FREE ZONE = DEFENSELESS VICTIM ZONE

My apologies, redbaron, if my refusal to be defenseless interferes with your chosen lifestyle of victimhood. I do not see choosing to be prey as a noble thing.

Did you happen to notice in my last post where I pointed out that the news story that launched this conversation entirely fails to state just who was suspected of having the mental problems? You know what happens when you assume…

Here’s the link incase you want to go back and review: http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/local/ci...

I am not anti-government. I am anti-government abuse of my fellow citizens. There is a big difference. Even you admit that there are bad cops. Fortunately for society they aren’t all bad, but enough are that we dare not lower our guard.

No, not my rules. One Nation governed in accordance with the Constitution. Citizens and patriots alike do not take violations of the Constitution – by anyone – lightly. That is why the Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights: To remind future generations of politicians that they serve at the sufferance and in the service of The People. Not the other way round.
tele_mark

Sterling, MA

#33 Nov 5, 2007
Well, it's been nearly a week sine "Former Fitchburg Resident" posted the last time, and he's failed to respond to HerrBGone's well thought out argument. I think it's safe to say that this debate goes to HerrBGone, and the anti's arguments have once again been shot down by logic and the power of reason.
2 Centsworth

Maynard, MA

#34 Nov 5, 2007
Mr. Nobleboro Maine...take two doses of the "Second Amendment" and call me in the morning.
tele_mark

Sterling, MA

#35 Nov 7, 2007
Don't waste your breath -- he ran away with his tail between his legs!
Fitchburg guy

Cape Coral, FL

#36 Nov 14, 2007
You two obviously have allot of time on your hands.
Herb be gone - please be gone!
Former Fitchburg resident (aka red baron)- Your truck stop happy ending gig is over for a while so face it and find a more constructive way to move on please! Like, get a real job!
Alan Dulles

Fitchburg, MA

#37 Jun 26, 2012
Former Fitchburg Resident wrote:
THE END OF THE STORY (However HerrBGone will write another book...)
First, while you gave another dissertation of the Bill of Rights, it yet again comes out to a bunch of gobblydgook. In short, if you have use some MUCH space to rationalize someone owning over 20 rifles, about 10 handguns, dozen of bayonets, a machete and a few handgrenades, then there is really no hope for you, or for that much society (but considering the level of dissenting decision on this, at least they had more of an intelligent, yet brief view what the problems were with Mr. Ingel.)
Secondly, with situations like Columbine and Virginia Tech well ingrained in the minds of people, not to mention the situation of a parent in Pennsylvania who bought her son just as many weapons (a teenager..), there IS an extreme problem with your ideas of what is right and what is wrong.
Thirdly, yes there are Police Officers that are LESS than ethical about doing their job. Fitchburg is NO more better than anywhere else, after all their rank and file officers voted the Chief out. However, they are sworn to law enforcement whether you like it or not. Your last post (#29) ended with the "And remember how much the helped Mr. Ingel." Considering that there was report of Mental Issues, is ENOUGH for anyone. If you can't understand that..then there is no hope for you. If we have to wait for Mr. Ingel to kill someone, then you'd be writing that "those cops did nothing.."
Don’t trust the police and never let them in your home or automobile without first obtaining a warrant. Ever. For any reason. Gee HerrBGone...are we showing our Anti-Government Colors???
Oh yes, NO DUH, Don't let cops do searches without warrants. If they press the matter, that is why there is an Attorney General/D.A.'s office.
Regardless of party affiliation...they are there for all.
In short HerrBGone, enough with the diatribe. It is folks like you who gripe and complain about government intervention, gripe about taxes and want to overthrow government. One nation, under your rules...hardly freedom and liberty for all.
END OF STORY.......END OF STATEMENT!
unethical behavior of fitchburg police officers? Fitchburg Ma.??
A Merican

Iowa City, IA

#38 Jan 31, 2013
Former Fitchburg Resident wrote:
For starters HerrBGone, your hiding behind the Bill of Rights to own guns gave me reason to push the other amendments. People who tend to own 40 guns, dozens of bayonets, and hand grenades, have a tendancy to try to uphold the law. Thus the vigilante claim.
However what is more warped, is that you have been asked several times about the fact that the guy has had reports of Mental Health problems. Obviously what happened at Virginia Tech didn't get through to you...so what's next??
Also what is the man holding all the explosives for?
Sorry Mr. B-Gone...you lose again. So, So, sorry you didn't get enough characters in your message...
Again.....S.I.N.Y (Stay In New York). If you want to collect explosives and and machetes, and bayonets, may you do so...Big Brother is watching you!
<quoted text>
Even years later, the Fitchburg tool is a valuable example of a nutjob abusing the First Amendment.
BONG BDLOCK

Leominster, MA

#39 Feb 1, 2013
I didn't read the article but I know people collect guns as a hobby. Some of them are worth alot of money. Ever watch that pawn shop show?

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Should Jtn run for Governor of Massachusetts? Wed Jtn 3
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