Overland Officer Charged in Man's Death

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There are now charges against a 34-year-old Overland police officer. Prosecutors say he pushed a man down the stairs of his home.
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Bender314

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Residency requirements should be mandatory for all police depts.
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I hate to say it, but I've run into more bad cops ~ rude cops with bad attitudes ~ in Overland, than in any other jurisdiction in Metro St. Louis. You call the Police and try to do your civic duty ~ like turn in a wallet you find, which obviously belongs to someone since it has an ID ~ and Overland sends a you copper who wants to know where your trash can was when you found it. So you ask him, "Aren't you going to take it with you?" and his answer is so reassuring, "I don't have a choice; you called the Station." Such nice guys they've got down there.

Involuntary Manslaughter is a slap on the wrist for this cop. He just didn't happen to see the stairs behind the guy he was busy shoving around? Come on! He just didn't happen to notice when the guy fell down the stairs, bouncing his noggin the whole way down? Please!! He just happened to get so busy he forgot the guy was laying at the bottom of the stairs, dying? Give me a break!!

He knew exactly what he had done, and he ran and hid from it. He just didn't count on video surveillance from the house to tell on him. Bummer! Even cops hate it when they get ratted out. Too bad the Prosecutor doesn't have the guts to charge him how he should be charged: Voluntary Manslaughter, at the very least.
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Bender314 - what difference would that have made in this case? If the copper lived in Overland, would that have stopped him from shoving the guy around, pushing him down a flight of stairs so the guy could bang his head multiple times causing untold amounts of damage? And would living in Overland have stopped the copper from leaving the guy at the bottom of the stairs to die?

Unless I've missed something about residency requirements, none of that would have happened JUST BECAUSE someone made him live in Overland.

Nope, that stuff only happens when you're a Good Cop.
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Is it possible that the other two officers involved in this tragedy should be charged with conspiracy? An officer pushes a man down the stairs in his own home and the other two did nothing about it... not even call for paramedics? Just left him there and then the brother finds him?

To Overland PD... Where is the conduct on that?
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It would be too hard to prove conspiracy on something like this. Remember, the other cops are partnered to a gun; if they try to call for help for the man at the bottom of the stairs, they could easily kiss their brains goodbye. Although, that's not likely to happen these days.

Today, it's the Thin Blue Line that will get them. And it's MUCH thicker than you realize; you'll never get a copper to roll over on a brother officer ~ not if he ever wants his back covered again. Trust me ~ once you've been married to the badge, you really begin to appreciate that.

They don't have to be dirty themselves to be caught up in it. All they have to do is want to live ~ want to go home at night ~ want someone to have their backs when they go on duty. That's all it takes to make a fellow officer keep his mouth shut. Just the IMPLIED threat that no one will EVER back you up again when you need it the most. I'm telling you, it works every time.

They'd be better off charging them with "Conduct Unbecoming..."; at least that's something they'd be able to prove.

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Is it possible that the other two officers involved in this tragedy should be charged with conspiracy? An officer pushes a man down the stairs in his own home and the other two did nothing about it... not even call for paramedics? Just left him there and then the brother finds him?
To Overland PD... Where is the conduct on that?
CoppersEx1236

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As if a copper would ever wind up in Gen-Pop. Get real! Special treatment all the way, baby. You wouldn't want him to run into someone he put in there, now would you? Heavens no! That copper will be secluded the whole time he's in the slammer. IF he even serves time for this. Involuntary Manslaughter for a cop? Heck, the most they might do is take his badge and gun away; turn him back into a civilian, like the rest of us.

For coppers, that's almost WORSE than going to jail. No more being able to whip out the old badge and get "PC" - "Professional Courtesy" - extended by other departments, every business you walk into, everyone you see. That means no more free coffee just for stopping by; no more free meals just for being seen in a certain restaurant. You might as well slit a coppers throat if you take away his "PC". They can't live without it.
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It's pretty sad when the cops are called for assistance and they end up being the one that killed you..unfortunately this isn't a new situation - even movies have been made from stuff like this. The guy asked for it and now he can mingle with the rest of the general population behind a wall IF the courts do their jobs...
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What I want to know is why the sgt. That hid the video tape & denied knowing anything about the call even tho he was on duty at the time isn't suspended w/the rest? Could it be because his father in law & wife work there too? Favortism anyone?
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why does the graphic say "Officer Arrested" when he hasn't been arrested yet?
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When you push someone down a flight of stairs you obviously intend to hurt them and/or cause serious physical injury. What would the charges be if Hamilton had pushed Ringeisen down the stairs? I say this with all respect, in St Louis they just charged a man with 2nd degree murder for fleeing from police resulting in an officer killed in an auto accident. The suspect didn't intend to hurt any police officers, he wasn't even involved in the actual accident, yet he is charged with 2nd degree murder. He didn't lay a hand on the officer. Why is this handled differently?
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alvin wrote:
When you push someone down a flight of stairs you obviously intend to hurt them and/or cause serious physical injury. What would the charges be if Hamilton had pushed Ringeisen down the stairs? I say this with all respect, in St Louis they just charged a man with 2nd degree murder for fleeing from police resulting in an officer killed in an auto accident. The suspect didn't intend to hurt any police officers, he wasn't even involved in the actual accident, yet he is charged with 2nd degree murder. He didn't lay a hand on the officer. Why is this handled differently?
that's exactly what i thought, this isn't looney tunes, when someone gets pushed down stairs it usually ends badly.
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I was wondering who all was at the scene where this poor man was pushed and fell down the stairs? I wasn't there, were you? How do you know what happened? Perhaps the victim did that macho male thing of pushing the Officer's shoulder in the middle of a very heated argument and then just out of instinct, the Officer pushed back. Maybe, maybe not.*I* don't know. That's for our peers in a jury to decide.

It all sounds like MANY poor decisions were made all the way through, including by the victim. HOWEVER, once the "accident" occurred, help should have been given. That's the real disappointing aspect of this situation. But again, we don't know what really happened and why all these decisions were made. I can only pray that both the victim's and Officer's families are guided and comforted through this tragedy.
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Another web site is reporting that the accused officer is suing a driver and claiming permenant injuies to his shoulder arm elbow and back ...How could he be working in the first place
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bad spelling..sorry
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I agree with "alvin", it's all in who and what you are. This officer should be charged with a more serious offense. And, the other officers involved in this situation should be charged according to whatever they are guilty of doing, and/or not doing, in fulfilling the requirements of their job. Conspiracy to cover up, and failing to render aid comes to mind when thinking of other officers involoved.
They should be treated as normal citizens would be treated in this situation - Lock them away with all the other criminals!
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A lot of people are judging the situation by what the press says. The press IS NOT accurate most of the time. Details are twisted and in a liberal way to make cops look bad. I'm not saying that what happened was right because it wasn't, but these are great officers and if you don't know the whole truth, don't judge them. I hate to see how this one situation is going to take away from all the good Ringo has done the past seven years.
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If there was no intent to kill or cause serious physical injury, serious physical injury(NOT TO MENTION DEATH), would NOT have occurred. I am SICK AND TIRED of police departments across the Midwest trying to cover their own behinds(because many of them knowingly hire persons with records) and brush off many incidents such as this one here. The officer(s) involved SHOULD be charged with murder because they obviously were physical enough to cause serious harm to another individual, and if this was another civilian and not an officer, they would have been charged with murder. An officer, in my eyes, should know BETTER how to control themselves and know how to act in certain situations which makes the involuntary manslaughter charge sickening to me.
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Grayghost, you worry me. You're the kind of person that coppers and their families worry about in the wee hours of the morning ~ when someone is late coming home from his shift.

What do you mean when you say you've got "access on every floor"? It sounds like you're armed to the teeth. Is that what you meant? Is that the case? If so, I hope none of the coppers I know ever run across your path.

The MOST IMPORTANT THING to remember when it comes to dealing with the cops: don't give them a reason to come confront you, and chances are they won't. Don't challenge them, and they won't challenge you. Don't provoke them, and they won't provoke you. Don't break the law, and they won't come for you.

It's really pretty simple if you think about it. Stay on the right side of the line, and you got no problems. Cross that line ~ even just a little ~ and you got trouble. The farther across that line you go, the bigger your trouble gets, the greater the risk you're taking, the better the odds that things won't end in your favor.

I'm not saying that anyone deserves to be shoved down a flight of stairs ~ far from it. But at some point in time that man crossed the line and invited the Police into his life, and into his home. He ASKED them to interact with him. Like it or not, there's a price to pay for that. Unfortunately, he paid the ultimate price; now the copper will have to pay a price for HIS actions, as well.

That's not the way either man planned it when they started their day. How quickly lives change when they intersect like that. I hope you're not planning a similar meeting with the Police. We really can't afford to lose any more citizens, or Police officers.
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Well, CoppersExt1236, one could only hope! I have my equalizers because of crap like this - cops are as bad if not worse then the criminals. I was thinking about that the other day and now I have access on every floor, attic, 1st, 2nd. basement - it's pretty sad when you have to protect yourself against the ones that are supposed to protect you. The whole world had gone to h... in a hurry - barbarianism, cruelty, corrupt politicians, corrupt police departments, when will it ever end or get straightened up? We must fight for everything now!!!
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Questions: You're not going to get a Murder charge in this case, but you COULD get a Voluntary Manslaughter charge, if the Prosecutor had a pair. And in this case, he doesn't. But I've known that for a long time now.

I'm a Forty-something-year-old disabled female who was attacked in her own home by a contractor ~ someone I hired to perform a job in my home. It took me 45-minutes to an hour to fight this *man* off and ~ somehow ~ avoid being raped. In the process, I sprained all the muscles in my chest wall, as documented by my personal doctor the following day.

I went to the Police Station and filed a report; the man was WELL KNOWN to the Police and wanted on other charges. They hauled him in the next morning and interrogated him. A Detective called me later in the week and said he'd admitted to everything ~ he just claimed it was all consensual.

The Detective said there wasn't a doubt in his mind that I was telling the truth about the attack. You don't get a sprained chest wall from consensual acts, my friend.

Would the St. Louis Prosecuting Attorney press charges against my attacker? Against this person with a criminal record that included past violence? Against this person who targeted me ~ a disabled woman living alone? Mind you, I've never even been finger-printed, much less arrested for anything.

Of course ~ NOT. The St. Louis Co. Prosecuting Attorney said they didn't want to get involved in a case of "He Said - She Said". They never even talked to me to see if I was a credible witness. They just dismissed the case, AND ME, in the process without a second thought. And they turned the guy loose on the rest of Metro St. Louis, no doubt to attack again. After all, they gave him a free pass on it once.

NOPE. The St. Louis Co. Prosecuting Attorney doesn't have a pair ~ or, if he does, they're just too small to be of any use to anyone.
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If there was no intent to kill or cause serious physical injury, serious physical injury(NOT TO MENTION DEATH), would NOT have occurred. I am SICK AND TIRED of police departments across the Midwest trying to cover their own behinds(because many of them knowingly hire persons with records) and brush off many incidents such as this one here. The officer(s) involved SHOULD be charged with murder because they obviously were physical enough to cause serious harm to another individual, and if this was another civilian and not an officer, they would have been charged with murder. An officer, in my eyes, should know BETTER how to control themselves and know how to act in certain situations which makes the involuntary manslaughter charge sickening to me.
IT IS ABOUT TIME

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OVERLAND HARRASSES PEOPLE THEY TELL YOU TO LOSE THEIR NUMBER AND NEVER CALL THEM AGAIN--NOW YOU TOOK AN OATH TO SERVE AND PROTECT
SOME POLICE OFFICER LET IT GET TO THEIR HEAD THAT THEY HAVE POWER OVER US--YOU DON'T HAVE POWER OVER US--WE ARE THE CITIZEN THAT PAY YOUR SALARY--WE DESERVE RESPECT BACK--YOU HAVE SET UP MANY PEOPLE IN OVERLAND AND YOUR CAPTAIN TURNS HIS HEAD ON IT. YOU ARREST WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS OF MEN YOU ARE TRYING TO CATCH FOR NO REASON, AND KEEP THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY, YOU SEND HARRESSING LETTERS TO MAKE PEOPLE MOVE--HOW DO YOU SEND SOMEONE A TICKET FOR DRIVING WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER CAUGHT THEM DRIVING--YOU NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED--ALL OF YOU--THIS IS TOTALLY OUT OF HAND
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I knew Kenny. Troubled life, troubled death. But I hope the family wins in court because difficult as Kenny could be, the police in this situation were worse. I hope the officer is charged and convicted with involuntary manslaughter.(If he wasn't a cop, he'd be charged with murder - so he's getting off easy. But I believe the fact that he was doing his job and dealing with a difficult person is a mitigating circumstance. I also believe Kenny bears responsibility for having created the situation.) However, proof of police guilt/liability in this case is that they LEFT THE SCENE with him lying there. So wrong. I'm sure they didn't intend to kill him - but their actions resulted in his injury and they didn't call for help. Unforgivable and very revealing. They probably did erase the tape, though I have no way of knowing this for sure. Too bad Joe didn't look at it (or make a copy) before he innocently handed it over to the police.(By the way, it was only three steps, not a "flight of stairs" - but his injury was devastating and resulted in his death none the less.) Sincere condolences to Kenny's family, who loved their imperfect brother/uncle.

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