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On Sunday, in the early afternoon, I saw, as I was walking from the Torrance library toward the bus stop on Maple Avenue, a group of youths riding their bikes and skateboards in the Torrance City Hall parking lot and plaza area and on the sidewalk. Full Story

“cracker-barrel philosopher”

Since: Jan 08

Wilmington/Carson/San Pedro

#1 Mar 4, 2010
Well, Joyce, welcome to the world of public use government property. People are careless and have no respect for those areas. I think often they don't connect with the fact that their behavior is costly to the taxpayer. Of course, sometimes they are not one and the same. Worse, if you see these people make or leave these messes and try to call them on it, they get aggressive and abusive, I assume because they think that behavior will get them a free ride. I have nothing but anger for those kinds of people. On the other side, if the park staff responsible for maintaining the park were more aggressive in their work, as they should be, they might create a climate where such "trashy" behavior is less likely.
Doc

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#2 Mar 4, 2010
The problem with the trash being strewn about has nothing to do with people. I live near the park and have noticed it is over-run with squirrels these days. There are so many that if you put down a towel they would surround you. Point Fermin parks have a similar problem.

They go from Averill Park to backyards in the area crawling along telephone lines and eat the fruit or worse just knock it down. They knocked down at least 100 young avacados from my tree. Ask your neighbors about "squirrels" and you will get very different answer than you would have two years ago.

They dig through trash, destroy backyard fruit and make the park less pleasant to be in. They are just rats with a fluffy tail... and big teeth. They carry the same diseases.

I've said for a long time those populations need to be thinned down now we have one more reason. Thank you.
Ruth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#4 Mar 4, 2010
Doc wrote:
The problem with the trash being strewn about has nothing to do with people. I live near the park and have noticed it is over-run with squirrels these days. There are so many that if you put down a towel they would surround you. Point Fermin parks have a similar problem.
They go from Averill Park to backyards in the area crawling along telephone lines and eat the fruit or worse just knock it down. They knocked down at least 100 young avacados from my tree. Ask your neighbors about "squirrels" and you will get very different answer than you would have two years ago.
They dig through trash, destroy backyard fruit and make the park less pleasant to be in. They are just rats with a fluffy tail... and big teeth. They carry the same diseases.
I've said for a long time those populations need to be thinned down now we have one more reason. Thank you.
Love them little red squirrels, so cute! I say leave em alone. They brighten my day. Cover your avocados or pick em.
Sure

Wildomar, CA

#5 Mar 4, 2010
Ruth, Thanks for your comment on the squirrels. There are plenty in my neighborhood and I would like to share with you because i know you love and feed them. When can i drop off a couple hunderd?
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Mar 4, 2010
Doc wrote:
The problem with the trash being strewn about has nothing to do with people. I live near the park and have noticed it is over-run with squirrels these days. There are so many that if you put down a towel they would surround you. Point Fermin parks have a similar problem.
They go from Averill Park to backyards in the area crawling along telephone lines and eat the fruit or worse just knock it down. They knocked down at least 100 young avacados from my tree. Ask your neighbors about "squirrels" and you will get very different answer than you would have two years ago.
They dig through trash, destroy backyard fruit and make the park less pleasant to be in. They are just rats with a fluffy tail... and big teeth. They carry the same diseases.
I've said for a long time those populations need to be thinned down now we have one more reason. Thank you.
Yes, actually, it does have to do with people, Doc.

Squirrels don't bring trash to the parks and leave it on the ground.

Buy a cat.
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Mar 4, 2010
slug wrote:
On the other side, if the park staff responsible for maintaining the park were more aggressive in their work, as they should be, they might create a climate where such "trashy" behavior is less likely.
If I read the letter correctly, a trash can was right next to the litter. What do you want the park staff to do? Stand next to picnickers and force them to walk a couple yards to throw their trash away?

IMO, littering comes with the ghetto attitude some fools bring with them to the park. I didn't notice that type of thing when I was living in East Long Beach or in Seal Beach. And I don't notice it now in El Segundo. This is not because the neighborhoods I lived in employ more people to pick up trash, it is because the residents and users of the parks do not trash them.

Blaming the problem on the maintenance staff is passing the responsibility from the individual on to the city. Ultimately, the lazy schmuck who leaves his trash on the ground is responsible, not the city workers (who probably showed up later that day to pick up after the feebleminded slobs).

“cracker-barrel philosopher”

Since: Jan 08

Wilmington/Carson/San Pedro

#9 Mar 4, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
If I read the letter correctly, a trash can was right next to the litter. What do you want the park staff to do? Stand next to picnickers and force them to walk a couple yards to throw their trash away?
IMO, littering comes with the ghetto attitude some fools bring with them to the park. I didn't notice that type of thing when I was living in East Long Beach or in Seal Beach. And I don't notice it now in El Segundo. This is not because the neighborhoods I lived in employ more people to pick up trash, it is because the residents and users of the parks do not trash them.
Blaming the problem on the maintenance staff is passing the responsibility from the individual on to the city. Ultimately, the lazy schmuck who leaves his trash on the ground is responsible, not the city workers (who probably showed up later that day to pick up after the feebleminded slobs).
You're right. The real culprit is the lazy person tossing the trash on the ground. But, as noted in another post on Knoll Hill, group behavior has some effect on the problem. If the park employees can be more aggressive with the problem and change the climate of behavior, then that should be acknowledged. The down side to pointing to that issue is some might take that as a reflection for their own concern for the problem, e.g., "if they don't care, I don't care either" kind of thing. That kind of lazy thinking is just plain dumb, but it's out there.
Doc

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#10 Mar 4, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, actually, it does have to do with people, Doc.
Squirrels don't bring trash to the parks and leave it on the ground.
Buy a cat.
Squirrels don't bring trash into the parks and leave it on the ground but they do take it out of trash cans and throw it about looking for food. That was the whole point of my post, the squirrels did that not people. There are no lids on those trash cans.

It's sad we have so much hate for people and so much love for rodents.
the Duke of Fort Monroe

Norfolk, VA

#11 Mar 4, 2010
How about more of us writing letters to the Editor on the idea of transforming Army Base Fort Monroe into a national historic park!?
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Mar 4, 2010
slug wrote:
<quoted text>You're right. The real culprit is the lazy person tossing the trash on the ground. But, as noted in another post on Knoll Hill, group behavior has some effect on the problem. If the park employees can be more aggressive with the problem and change the climate of behavior, then that should be acknowledged. The down side to pointing to that issue is some might take that as a reflection for their own concern for the problem, e.g., "if they don't care, I don't care either" kind of thing. That kind of lazy thinking is just plain dumb, but it's out there.
The letter writer was walking on a Sunday evening and again on Monday morning.

Presumably, there aren't too many (any?) park staff working Sunday evening and they probably hadn't a chance to get to it yet that morning.

Her observations on this one ~12 hour span at the end of a weekend and begining of the work week do not necessarially indicate any problem with the park maintence staff. It indicates a problem with the park's visitors.

Of course, we all could pay more taxes for an extra workers working swing shift or graveyard to chase down litterbugs and clean up after them right away.

And who wants to do that?

Besides, littering is a crime thus making this a law enforcement issue. How "agressive" do you want a custodian to get with members of the public who may or may not be dangerous individuals? After all upstanding citizens don't litter.

Here's an idea, though, how about have police ticket more litterbugs? Granted, that crime is not as serious as most of the others you read about, but it is a quality of life issue and could warrant an extra few minutes of a cop's time.
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#13 Mar 4, 2010
Doc wrote:
<quoted text>
Squirrels don't bring trash into the parks and leave it on the ground but they do take it out of trash cans and throw it about looking for food. That was the whole point of my post, the squirrels did that not people. There are no lids on those trash cans.
It's sad we have so much hate for people and so much love for rodents.
You must have some hard-core gangs of squirrels running around in RPV and Pedro. To think, there must have been dozens working as teams to pull the trash out of the can and not only drag many many pieces of it all around the area but also pull it up on the table!

Wow, man!

The Navy must have left something strange in the ground to effect neighborhood wildlife in such a manner.

I bet the possums up there are the size of pit-bulls!
Doc

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#14 Mar 4, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
You must have some hard-core gangs of squirrels running around in RPV and Pedro. To think, there must have been dozens working as teams to pull the trash out of the can and not only drag many many pieces of it all around the area but also pull it up on the table!
Wow, man!
The Navy must have left something strange in the ground to effect neighborhood wildlife in such a manner.
I bet the possums up there are the size of pit-bulls!
The possums around here are the size of pit bulls and the squirrels are the size of cats. We used to have blue jays eating the fruit but they suddenly disappeared a couple of years ago to be replaced by the squirrels.

I was telling some friends about that and they sent me this video...

&NR =1

On the bright side there are no homeless people sleeping in Averill park. I guess they've read Upton Sinclair.
el redondo

Redondo Beach, CA

#15 Mar 4, 2010
"Edison probably doesn't feel comfortable with the beautiful fountain in front of their blighted transmission right-a-way to the west of the city entrance. Edison would not know a beautification project if it bit them in their you-know-what.

Shame on Edison and AES for not working diligently and expeditiously with the city to resolve all of the fountain issues. Then maybe then they can get on with cleaning up their own property. But we know there is little profit in beautification."

- Bill Deacon, Redondo Beach

Unplug yourself from the evil grid, man.
Ruth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#16 Mar 4, 2010
Sure wrote:
Ruth, Thanks for your comment on the squirrels. There are plenty in my neighborhood and I would like to share with you because i know you love and feed them. When can i drop off a couple hunderd?
Well I didn't think you were serious, they are so cute! But if you have a problem why don't you get a hav-a-hart trap and relocate them to Bixby Slough(Machado Lake). There so happy and bright I hate to see them killed. It sounds like they are in the same love 'em/ hate 'em acatagory that the beautiful peafowl are in. Too bad I love All God's creatures. It makes me sad when I see the dead raccoons and possums and skunks in the road.

“cracker-barrel philosopher”

Since: Jan 08

Wilmington/Carson/San Pedro

#17 Mar 4, 2010
Ruth wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I didn't think you were serious, they are so cute! But if you have a problem why don't you get a hav-a-hart trap and relocate them to Bixby Slough(Machado Lake). There so happy and bright I hate to see them killed. It sounds like they are in the same love 'em/ hate 'em acatagory that the beautiful peafowl are in. Too bad I love All God's creatures. It makes me sad when I see the dead raccoons and possums and skunks in the road.
There used to be a big chicken ranch next to the slough. Then there were rabbits, but I hear my boss shot them all years ago. Now, raccoons and whatever. Actually, the point about covering the trash cans is good.
Mike Watkins

Inglewood, CA

#18 Mar 4, 2010
Out of control Squirrels terrorizing the public in San Pedro, kids on skateboards and bikes in Torrance terrorizing an empty parking lot. What's happening to the South Bay?
Doc

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#19 Mar 5, 2010
Mike Watkins wrote:
Out of control Squirrels terrorizing the public in San Pedro, kids on skateboards and bikes in Torrance terrorizing an empty parking lot. What's happening to the South Bay?
Well until you are ready to wrap yourself in bacon and take a slow walk through that park maybe you should keep your sarcastic comments to yourself.
Above Gaffey

United States

#20 Mar 5, 2010
Leave them squirlees alone!

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